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Inverse correlation between school education and trading?

I have seen many good traders with little or no college education while graduates from top colleges who cannot even make a single cent from trading (not talking about algo traders though). So my question is, if you decide to make a career out of trading, you should just stay at home and practice trading instead of going to college? What do you think?

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I have seen many good traders with little or no college education while graduates from top colleges who cannot even make a single cent from trading (not talking about algo traders though). So my question is, if you decide to make a career out of trading, you should just stay at home and practice trading instead of going to college? What do you think?

This may seem true to an extent, but what really is happening is usually people who trade are self motivated and either skipped the opportunity to go to college for something else or just never had it altogether. I talk to people with doctorate degrees all the time who are dumb as bricks. Maybe the people who trade after having an education were stupid to begin with so they turned to trading as an alternative because they couldn't excel in their own career they went to college for.

Nonetheless, There are a lot of variables that could influence this situation. Trading requires a certain amount of logic, but the majority of the art is psychological discipline, not all analytic ability. Often times the over analytic side of a person will interfere with the trader's success.

I'd suggest to at least get a BA to have something to fall back on. Trading will never go away, but you might get too old to have the motivation to go back to school.

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An inverse correlation would mean that the more educated you are, the less successful at trading you'll be.

I would say a more accurate assessment would be that there's no significant correlation between education and trading success.

Education isn't necessarily a pre-requisite to be a successful trader, but I don't think it's a detriment either.

"A dumb man never learns. A smart man learns from his own failure and success. But a wise man learns from the failure and success of others."
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I don't think there is any correlation between education level and trading success whatsoever. I also believe that if one wants to learn to trade... college is not nessisarily the place to be. Trading requires basic math skills yes, and a degree of logic, but we all (hopefully) learned this in grade school. After that, it is about understanding how you and your psyche best approach the market.

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my opinion

Maybe those go went to college are just fed up with learning and are not patient enough to get live and successful thinking they know everything they need thanks to their high education.
Those who did not go use this opportunity to experience what they missed

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Really ironic here, I spent so much time and effort trying to get good grades and all to go to good college, and then end up doing something which does not need a college degree at all..
Imagine the amount of trading practice one can get with the savings in school fees! haha

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Personal observations and experiences usually dont make for good statistical data. The thing is, most traders are not "retail" in any sense. Most traders are the ones you find at big banks, hedgefunds etc, which make up 99% of the activity in the financial markets. Nearly all of these have some formal college education.

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