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What is the highest win% you have seen a trading system, automated or manual, have?
What is the highest win% you have seen a DAY TRADING trading system, automated or manual, have?
I've seen claims of 70-80% profitable but Never seen this replicated during live market conditions.
I understand the difference between win% and overall profitability so please don't steer the conversation that way..
I guess that depends on the time horizon you are looking at.
I have seen hundrets of accounts that were traded without
a stoploss and showed 100% Win Trades for weeks until......
Yes I suppose that could be true, I was referring to a day trading system, I didn't make that clear. I suppose what a "day trading system" is could be debated too. Lets just say any system that does NOT hold positions overnight.
ElectricWiz - How about 91% wins during 2.6 years of trading. System #1
How about 99% wins during 8 months of trading. System #2
How about 99% wins during 2.5 years of trading. Systems #3
At the risk of steering the conversation , I like this question because it underlines the difficulties in trying to understand what are typical statistics and what differentiates a good system. Given that most people with something to sell, exaggerate (or lie) and those that are honest cannot be distinguished, how do we learn what is a good % win, what is a reasonable % drawdown, what is a typical % adverse excursion, etc, etc.
To help answer these questions, I suggest exploring the systems that are being traded on the Collective2 site. These are real systems in live trading with verifiable prices and times for every trade. All of the trading statistics are provided and are searchable and sortable. If you don't like the way the calculations are done, you can download all the trade data and do your own calculations. I am NOT promoting subscriptions to the Collective2 systems. I am not judging whether their systems are good or bad. But I am suggesting this site as a source of credible statistics from real trading systems.
Disclaimer - I have no beneficial association with the Collective2 site except for a few subscriptions to their systems.
You are right about the %profitable on these systems, however the average trade length on all these systems are between 10-15 hours. I would not consider these systems day-trading systems. System 3 has an average win of $1593 and average loss of $20,523. But this is what you might expect for such a high win %%.
This is similar to blackout23 comment that you could trade with 100% accuracy for months if you didn't have a stop-loss and added on to all your negative trades until you(hopefully) were able to get out at break-even. Eventually you would get stuck on the wrong side and blow up your account.
That said I don't think averaging into trades is a bad thing if done with care. But I guess I am looking for something more realistic and something that is more of a DAY TRADING system that doesn't hold trades for 10-15 hours at a time.
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If you anyone is in the mood for an interesting documentary The Black-Scholes Formula. Is an interesting one.shows
I don't want to spoil the end but it shows how theoretical models can backfire on their creators as black swans and outliers appear and can "blow-up" systems that are seemingly full-proof.
@RJay - I am trying to understand your point . It seems that the disclaimer applies to all trading systems everywhere or are you making a specific point about the Collective2 systems?
Anyway, for others, I guess the question from ElectricWiz is still open. He is looking for % wins with trade durations of minutes or hours - like scalping systems.
most systms with alittle bit of effort can be and should be in the 50-60 percent range , money management and discipline will make it a more profitable or a losing system , trading setups is easy , entry is usually easy , its the exits and the profit targets that are hard to achieve
, I like this question because it underlines the difficulties in trying to understand what are typical statistics and what differentiates a good system. Given that most people with something to sell, exaggerate (or lie) and those that are honest cannot be distinguished, how do we learn what is a good % win, what is a reasonable % 
. It seems that the disclaimer applies to all trading systems everywhere or are you making a specific point about the Collective2 systems?