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How many weeks would the contest run? I ask b/c a $2500 DD seems kinda small. Maybe not for a $25K account as that is 10%, but what happens if you were to grow the account to a theoretical $100K, a $2500 DD is only 2.5%.

Wouldn't it make more sense to tie the disqualyfing DD to a percentage instead of a fixed number?

Just a thought.

It will reset monthly, and if I have it my way the contest will run every month. But depending on a few things still being worked on, it might have to be once a quarter, but the duration will be 30 days in either case.

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ok, it goes back to what I said on my prior post ... I am responding to his argument on this thread that he posted... his argument should stand on its own, not in conjuction with other postings on his own personal thread...

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ok, it goes back to what I said on my prior post ... I am responding to his argument on this thread that he posted... his argument should stand on its own, not in conjuction with other postings on his own personal thread...

Little kitty be fierce today?

I agree that it eludes most on boards like this that we are all (ultimately) in aggressive competition against each other, but that is more in theory than in practice... This competition will most likely appeal to beginning traders, and I don't see the harm in having some friendly sim competition ..

Btw, I've always found trading to be a soothing endeavor. I find it more relaxing to let others do the fighting and I'll just ride the wave that follows the capitulation/retreat...

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Little kitty be fierce today?

I agree that it eludes most on boards like this that we are all (ultimately) in aggressive competition against each other, but that is more in theory than in practice... This competition will most likely appeal to beginning traders, and I don't see the harm in having some friendly sim competition ..

Btw, I've always found trading to be a soothing endeavor. I find it more relaxing to let others do the fighting and I'll just ride the wave that follows the capitulation/retreat...

nah, not fierce... I just find frustrating sometimes when people let their feelings and personal emotions interfere with logical arguments... I dont mind being moderated, but it should be based on logic and not emotions..

I have nothing against sim when used right, but I just think it sets the wrong expectations on a competition because it provides the "winner" the illusion of having traded well... after all, it is a competition... which will undoubtly provide someone with bragging rights... but based on what? simulations?! as you said, it will attrack the beginner for the most part...

I find it more in-line with a competition to emulate reality, heck... imagine if the world series of pokers was a "sim/paper"... vs. what it is, real $$$ at risk... a real cash prize would attrack those that lurk in the dark that can contribute actual knowledge about trading and not just silly indicators... anyhow, I guess I care about this forum standing for a place where one could learn something.. and I just see it being diluted towards complaciency more and more... not my forum in the end, and now I digress...

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Tim Sykes has a trading challenge now. I haven't researched the trading challenge but it looks cool

Timothy Sykes 2011 Trading Challenge -

FYI Timothy Sykes is a penny stock trader with a short bias. His Trading challenge is to teach selected individuals to trade like him.
He also has a site called profit.ly created to track performance, they have various leader boards. Click here for the features. He has a pretty good track record as far as I can tell.


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nah, not fierce... I just find frustrating sometimes when people let their feelings and personal emotions interfere with logical arguments... I dont mind being moderated, but it should be based on logic and not emotions..

I have nothing against sim when used right, but I just think it sets the wrong expectations on a competition because it provides the "winner" the illusion of having traded well... after all, it is a competition... which will undoubtly provide someone with bragging rights... but based on what? simulations?! as you said, it will attrack the beginner for the most part...

I find it more in-line with a competition to emulate reality, heck... imagine if the world series of pokers was a "sim/paper"... vs. what it is, real $$$ at risk... a real cash prize would attrack those that lurk in the dark that can contribute actual knowledge about trading and not just silly indicators... anyhow, I guess I care about this forum standing for a place where one could learn something.. and I just see it being diluted towards complaciency more and more... not my forum in the end, and now I digress...

I am inclined to agree...

But after been doing this for a few years, I've come to realize that trading is more in the entertainment realm rather than a serious venture for most.

It is not easy to lure the successful traders out. And why would it be? As you said, this is a competitive business, and that makes it hard to share one's knowledge...

That being said, by imposing a max DD and hopefully providing realistic fills, I would say that it might provide some value for the participants. It would of course be better to have a competition tied to a real account, but take it for what it is...


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to make it fierce, limit loss should be -300 a day then at least sim trader can learn some good habit.

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to make it fierce, limit loss should be -300 a day then at least sim trader can learn some good habit.

I would concur on that one... normal risk management usually means 1-1.5% @ risk and a 2-3% day loss at max... I use my own risk management guideliness of course..

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It is not easy to lure the successful traders out. And why would it be? As you said, this is a competitive business, and that makes it hard to share one's knowledge...

I agree, the biggest challenge to finding a real professional trader, or even an institutional one, who might be willing to share is that 1) he/she lacks patience to deal with what they will consider stupid questions, and 2) ones account size is small in comparison... I mean, I know of guys on the bank that make a few Million a year in bonus only because of their P&L... I try to learn from them by just observing when they allow me on their desk during the trading day... but they are trading with a few hundred million of the banks money... and their strategies are not the same as what one would use unless ones funding was that resourceful... the only thing I have been able to "mimic" from work is the spreads trading, and at that, doing it with the most affordable ratios I can that get close enough to neutral with, and adding my own variation of exiting the losing spread leg once I am certain of the direction of the markets in question and then increasing the position on the winning leg... I dont give much of anything away by saying that part.. the trick on spreads is on the formulat to calculate the right ratios given a specific instrument..

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where would i find more about this trading competition does anyone have a web address?
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