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Tape is my shape (tape reading, time and sales)

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For those that study order flow or tape reading, there is an upcoming webinar that you may find interesting:

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Great! Looking forward to it.

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Guys))I am happy to say that i begin to trade without charts at all)))) This is so good i cant imagine before )))) I see whole market now and even can tell there market should be after 5-10 minutes from opening ))))

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Hey bloom, that is awesome, do you use aggregated tape or not?
How did you study to come up to this?

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Hi guys,

could someone please help me?

I am searching the type of times and sales some of the guys in this thread are using. With the pig in the upper left corner.

Could someone give me a download link please?

Many thanks

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Hi guys,

could someone please help me?

I am searching the type of times and sales some of the guys in this thread are using. With the pig in the upper left corner.

Could someone give me a download link please?

Many thanks

Pig is Pete's tools from Day Trading Decision Support Software ? Order Flow & Futures Day Trading Online From Jigsaw Trading
Scary fish is @vvhg's Aggregate TS

Both are great tools and I have both of them. Pete's is worth the cost and vvhg's requires elite membership.

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Pig is Pete's tools from Day Trading Decision Support Software ? Order Flow & Futures Day Trading Online From Jigsaw Trading[/url]
Scary fish is @vvhg's Aggregate TS

Both are great tools and I have both of them. Pete's is worth the cost and vvhg's requires elite membership.

Thanks for the answer!

Could you please tell me what the difference between those two products are?

Thank you!

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Thanks for the answer!

Could you please tell me what the difference between those two products are?

Thank you!

They both pretty much do the same thing: TRY to aggregate orders split up by the CME back to the original size. Key word is try, because this is virtually impossible. Reconstructed TS uses a proprietary aggregation method, Aggregate TS has a couple open source options. Both are great products, the main differences being bells and whistles.

Aggregate TS is one of the hundreds of great indicators you have access to when you sign up for elite membership. vvhg updates it very often and adds different bells and whistles all the time. He has added a speed of tape bar and delta bar which can be very useful.

Reconstructed Tape offered by Pete is also a great tool, but I would HIGHLY recommend his Depth and Sales tool if you want to get into tape/order flow reading. A couple key features I like is that the depth can be displayed on the TS window, and you can have Buy Only and Sell Only windows(its easier to track size when they are split for me)

You really can't go wrong with either, but if you decide to go with Pete's, I suggest also getting Depth and Sales

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They both pretty much do the same thing: TRY to aggregate orders split up by the CME back to the original size. Key word is try, because this is virtually impossible.


Well - I'd disagree with this.

Reconstruction isn't impossible, it's not even close to impossible but I do keep the reasons close to my chest.

What makes reconstruction problematic is that some feeds drop information to improve performance whereas other feeds (TT Feed, Zenfire) to ensure you are always up to date with current price. Other feeds (IQFeed, Kinetick) send you all information but can be laggy at peak times such as after a news announcement.

In any case, no individual print on any Time & Sales is important. It is the overall changes over time that you look for. Of course, exceptional prints over 500 lots for instance are interesting but can easily be half a stat arb trade - as can any individual print.

As long as what you have is meaningful, consistent & doesn't print 300 lines at a time, I think you can make a case for using it.

This is as unbiased as I get.

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Well - I'd disagree with this.

Reconstruction isn't impossible, it's not even close to impossible but I do keep the reasons close to my chest.

What makes reconstruction problematic is that some feeds drop information to improve performance whereas other feeds (TT Feed, Zenfire) to ensure you are always up to date with current price. Other feeds (IQFeed, Kinetick) send you all information but can be laggy at peak times such as after a news announcement.

In any case, no individual print on any Time & Sales is important. It is the overall changes over time that you look for. Of course, exceptional prints over 500 lots for instance are interesting but can easily be half a stat arb trade - as can any individual print.

As long as what you have is meaningful, consistent & doesn't print 300 lines at a time, I think you can make a case for using it.

This is as unbiased as I get.

Hi,

I would like to ask you something about your package. I cant send PMīs yet, sorry.

On the homepage you are talking about learning trading within 12 weeks without the price chart.

Now I would like to purchase the kit with depth & sales and the reconstructed tape. There also is the free course : The ES - when to enter.

Is this the course you are talking about on the first page?

Thank you really much.

Regards

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Hi,

I would like to ask you something about your package. I cant send PMīs yet, sorry.

On the homepage you are talking about learning trading within 12 weeks without the price chart.

Now I would like to purchase the kit with depth & sales and the reconstructed tape. There also is the free course : The ES - when to enter.

Is this the course you are talking about on the first page?

Thank you really much.

Regards

Best to discuss my stuff off the board but the 12 weeks is based on Futures prop programs and the length of time they expect students to go live on small size.

Lots of people take more than 12 weeks but this is the baseline at certain prop shops and this is what they tell their interns on the first day.

One of the reasons they push people towards the DOM (normally XTrader) is because they feel it is an essential skill. This does not mean traders are never allowed to use charts, they just aren't allowed to use them until such a time that they have 'got' the DOM.

Now - many will disagree with the following:

Longer term analysis can yield more ticks per trade but the thing about that is it takes a long time to develop that skill. There is only 1 trading day per day (funny, that). You need to experience many days before you get a good enough feel for the way things work intraday to turn yourself into a day position trader.

On the other hand, tape reading/order flow analysis 'setups' appear many times per day, so whilst the opportunities are smaller, this method will get you to profit before longer term analysis will. So you get profitable on order flow and then you have time to focus on other techniques because you have an income.

I don't see a great deal of value personally in poring over months of historical intraday chart as a means to experiencing days. I don't think this really replaces experience because you already see the results in front of you. It is my opinion that the way forward is to do pre-market analysis, put together "what if" scenarios of how the day will play out and track what actually happens against this analysis. This is why I think that it takes so long to become proficient at position day trading for most normal people.


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