NexusFi: Find Your Edge


Home Menu

 





Is Thinkorswim a good Platform for Futures Trading?


Discussion in ThinkOrSwim

Updated
      Top Posters
    1. looks_one Massive l with 28 posts (30 thanks)
    2. looks_two WilleeMac with 21 posts (8 thanks)
    3. looks_3 heywally with 16 posts (11 thanks)
    4. looks_4 Cloudy with 9 posts (7 thanks)
      Best Posters
    1. looks_one timefreedom with 3.4 thanks per post
    2. looks_two ddouglas with 3.2 thanks per post
    3. looks_3 Massive l with 1.1 thanks per post
    4. looks_4 heywally with 0.7 thanks per post
    1. trending_up 151,317 views
    2. thumb_up 136 thanks given
    3. group 57 followers
    1. forum 200 posts
    2. attach_file 7 attachments




 
Search this Thread

Is Thinkorswim a good Platform for Futures Trading?

  #101 (permalink)
 Futures Operator 
New York, NY
 
Experience: Intermediate
Platform: Sierra Chart, thinkorswim
Broker: Amp-Rithmic/TT, IB
Trading: CL, GC, NQ
Posts: 601 since Nov 2010
Thanks Given: 2,039
Thanks Received: 258


Futures Operator View Post
I haven't compared DOM, as I don't use TOS DOM, but I compared Thinkorswim Time&Sales to Rithmic Time&Sales through Sierra Chart yesterday. It was not identical but in my short visual observation, TOS was between 100-1000ms behind, being variable. Everyone can test it and decide for themselves if any speed difference is too slow for their trading style. Interesting bit, I also tested my reaction time here, and it was between 250-300ms: Human Benchmark - Reaction Time Test

An update to this, during a volatile market, ie the recent mini flash crash in crude, 300 ticks in 1 minute, TOS did not keep up, the lag extended to seconds, and price was off 20-50 ticks at times.

Of course Sierra Chart with Rithmic hasn't been reliable for me yet either, still trying to work out the issues, so I guess no platform is perfect.

Reply With Quote

Can you help answer these questions
from other members on NexusFi?
MC PL editor upgrade
MultiCharts
How to apply profiles
Traders Hideout
Increase in trading performance by 75%
The Elite Circle
Bigger Wins or Fewer Losses?
Traders Hideout
NT7 Indicator Script Troubleshooting - Camarilla Pivots
NinjaTrader
 
Best Threads (Most Thanked)
in the last 7 days on NexusFi
Just another trading journal: PA, Wyckoff & Trends
33 thanks
Tao te Trade: way of the WLD
24 thanks
My NQ Trading Journal
14 thanks
GFIs1 1 DAX trade per day journal
11 thanks
HumbleTraders next chapter
11 thanks
  #102 (permalink)
Brcln9301
Moscow + Russia
 
Posts: 4 since May 2012
Thanks Given: 1
Thanks Received: 1

as i know, thinkorswim closing account for european clients

Reply With Quote
  #103 (permalink)
 pbenson68 
San Diego CA
 
Experience: Beginner
Platform: TOS
Trading: StocKs
Posts: 26 since May 2012
Thanks Given: 14
Thanks Received: 5


I saw a lot of quotes on TOS lag, frankly I am disturbed. I have got my a$$ handed to me thinking I had good system using paper trades and think on demand with success.

I found this link on the web that may address the lag issue.
Solution for streaming multiple items - [AUTOLINK]thinkorswim[/AUTOLINK] problem

This person said increasing the memory Usage solved his problem. When I checked the default was set to 5 Mbytes min and max 500 MBytes

I now set it to 1536 min and 1536 Max.

Has anyone done this before and does it make a difference?

I don't have another broker to compare with.

Reply With Quote
  #104 (permalink)
20bagJ
nowherenewsville, GA
 
Posts: 1 since Apr 2012
Thanks Given: 11
Thanks Received: 0

Not using volume profile is one of my suggestions. For me it has caused my platform to lock up with error messages for news and non news based situations, making me restart it. Just my personal opinion. If you want to get the optimum data rates only use 4-8 charts. Anything more causes problems imo. I use the paper trading platform as well when watching the market because the DOM has pretty much an instant price feed.

Current problem I am facing are windows randomly freezing during the day. Sometimes it's hard to notice. This is one that I have been experiencing more so just recently and actually caused me trouble this week.

Reply With Quote
  #105 (permalink)
 
theoptionguru's Avatar
 theoptionguru 
Columbus, OH
 
Experience: Advanced
Platform: TOS
Trading: options
Posts: 11 since Sep 2012

I've been using TOS for more than 4 years now. I wasn't entirely happy when they sold out to TDA, but at least TDA is attempting to embrace the "TOS Culture", especially for their legacy customers.

I traded ES and TF for a few months last year, after months of testing. Back then I noticed that the charts lagged the DOM ladder, but I still got fills at my price - I noticed no slippage - and that's what counts, isn't it?

For futures trading it would be good if they allowed users to select the Tick count rather than have set values.

I wanted to get back into futures recently, and I was very impressed with NT. I was not impressed with all the costs and what I considered (compared to TOS) complex arrangements/options for data and brokers. It turned out some guy at Mirus got my name and wanted to help me out, but I passed on the whole idea.

I am able to muddle through thinkscript but totally lost with custom indicators in NT.

So now I'm back to option spreads on good ole' TOS. Missing the excitement of day trading, I'm currently in the infant stages of day trading AAPL ATM weeklys live. So far, it's working out quite well. I got the idea from a thread on this site: . It seems more relaxing and still as profitable as futures; and since I negotiated a rate of 1.25/contract when Sosnoff was still there, the commissions are much less as well.

As a final note, you just can't beat TOS for support and education. After all, they have 3-4 heavy duty option traders teaching and talking strategy for over 2-4 hours everyday - and they seem to enjoy doing it. They are recorded for later viewing & Don Kaufman is really a treat to listen to.

Reply With Quote
  #106 (permalink)
 
heywally's Avatar
 heywally 
Pismo Beach CA
 
Experience: Intermediate
Platform: TOS, IB, Fidelity for 'swing' trades
Trading: ES, NQ, IBB, IWM, NG
Posts: 159 since Apr 2010
Thanks Given: 80
Thanks Received: 90

Just wanted to mention that TDAmer/TOS is 'reallowing' futures trading for IRA accounts, if anyone is interested in that. They are the only brokerage I know of that provides an FDIC insured bank account for futures cash sweeps and IRA futures trading plus, has a good/transparent enough (I think) financial position where I'm comfortable having my IRA over there, to use partially for futures trading.

"The Future Ain't what it used to be"
Reply With Quote
Thanked by:
  #107 (permalink)
Tommybaker
Portland, Oregon
 
Posts: 24 since Mar 2012
Thanks Given: 9
Thanks Received: 1


pbenson68 View Post
I saw a lot of quotes on TOS lag, frankly I am disturbed. I have got my a$$ handed to me thinking I had good system using paper trades and think on demand with success.

I found this link on the web that may address the lag issue.
Solution for streaming multiple items - [AUTOLINK]thinkorswim[/AUTOLINK] problem

This person said increasing the memory Usage solved his problem. When I checked the default was set to 5 Mbytes min and max 500 MBytes

I now set it to 1536 min and 1536 Max.

Has anyone done this before and does it make a difference?

I don't have another broker to compare with.


How do you check the memory usage and default? I would like to try that cause my TOS is literally 2 seconds behind my DOM and Sierra Chart... and I have 10 mb on my computer.

Reply With Quote
  #108 (permalink)
 
Massive l's Avatar
 Massive l 
OR/USA
Legendary /NQ Trader
 
Experience: None
Posts: 2,129 since Mar 2011
Thanks Given: 1,859
Thanks Received: 5,106

In the login screen, hit configure and use the highest setting in the drop down menu for memory allocation.

Visit my NexusFi Trade Journal Reply With Quote
  #109 (permalink)
 
optionzen's Avatar
 optionzen 
Dallas
 
Experience: Intermediate
Platform: ThinkorSwim, Ninjatrader, Multicharts
Broker: Thinkorswim, Ninjatrader Brokerage
Posts: 139 since Nov 2010
Thanks Given: 137
Thanks Received: 106

You can trade Futures with your TD Ameritrade roth account only if you can maintain 25K balance. I was trying to trade futures with my ira and they would not let me , here is their email that was sent to me.
---------------------------------------------

Thank you for your application to trade futures in your IRA. Unfortunately, we are unable to approve your request at this time. Your account must have a net liquidating value of at least $25,000 to be approved for futures trading.

Please let us know when your account meets this requirement, and we’ll be happy to review your application again. Please note that in order to have your request resubmitted, you must reply to this email.

We regret that we cannot agree to your current request, but please rest assured that TD Ameritrade remains completely committed to supporting you as you pursue your financial goals. Feel free to call Client Services at 866-839-1100 if you have any questions or need assistance. We’re available 24 hours a day, seven days a week.

Sincerely,

Futures Support

Reply With Quote
  #110 (permalink)
 
Massive l's Avatar
 Massive l 
OR/USA
Legendary /NQ Trader
 
Experience: None
Posts: 2,129 since Mar 2011
Thanks Given: 1,859
Thanks Received: 5,106


I'm thinking of running the CQG trader through Variance Futures while using ToS for my charts.
Anyone do something similar? What do you use?

Visit my NexusFi Trade Journal Reply With Quote




Last Updated on June 22, 2019


© 2024 NexusFi™, s.a., All Rights Reserved.
Av Ricardo J. Alfaro, Century Tower, Panama City, Panama, Ph: +507 833-9432 (Panama and Intl), +1 888-312-3001 (USA and Canada)
All information is for educational use only and is not investment advice. There is a substantial risk of loss in trading commodity futures, stocks, options and foreign exchange products. Past performance is not indicative of future results.
About Us - Contact Us - Site Rules, Acceptable Use, and Terms and Conditions - Privacy Policy - Downloads - Top
no new posts