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32-Bit Vs. 64-Bit

(If this question has been discussed before, a link to that thread would be more than sufficient but I searched and could not find one.)

I am surprised that not all brokers support 64-bit (such as Velocity). As my computer supports it, it seems a waste not to use a broker that also uses it. But customer support is important to me at this point and I'm wondering what other folks thoughts are on the subject of having access to 64-bit and not availing their computer of it? TIA.

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Just found out it's NT that doesn't support it. Crazy.
Well, I guess, there's no longer any dilemma.

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type in "64" in our searchbox and you will get several infos about this topic.

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I don't understand, why 64 bits instead of 32 bits, for a data feed.
In many cases, coding in 64 bits will means more memory used, and also means manipulating bigger objects.
On a network point of view, this is the same "problem": if I want to send a single character, a 64 bits machines will transmit 8 bytes of useful information (add 64 bytes for the ethernet packet...).
I assume that a 64 bits data feed will be slower, and will consume more resources than the same one with a 32 bits API.

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sam, did anyone stress tested NT64bit compared to NT32bit ?

wouldn't surprise me to see 32bit running faster

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Ok, reality check. I work a lot of computers- also databases - inymy day to day job

* 64 prorams are larger. Memroy is a little larger when pointers are involved .Basically every poitner to an address is 62 istnstead of 32 bit.
* THis translates into a little slower execution. sSImply as less real code fits into caches.

So, no need to go 64 bit for a data connector.

THAT SAID: 32 bit is severely limtied in memory (2-3 gb, max nearly 4) while 64 bit programs can access more. THis means stuff like charting and even processing of many quotes can be more efficient in 64 bit. If you need 64 bit (and NInja can use it at times), then the price for a 32 / 64 bit bridge is higher than just putting the connector into 64 bit. Painfully high, actually.

Using 64 bit since Vista only - servers before that. And definitely not looking back

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After Velocity said it was NT who didn't support 64-bit, I wrote NT, who responded, "Velocity executes through Trading Technologies. We are currently not compatible with them on the 64-bit OS. We have no ETA on when this will be."

Tough to get a handle on 64-bit vs. 32.

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After Velocity said it was NT who didn't support 64-bit, I wrote NT, who responded, "Velocity executes through Trading Technologies. We are currently not compatible with them on the 64-bit OS. We have no ETA on when this will be."

Tough to get a handle on 64-bit vs. 32.

For Ninja 32 vs 64, the only advantage is when you need to do very large optimizations: complex strategies, a lot of bars, multiples time frames and multiple instruments. In this case, Ninja will need a lot of memory, and only a Ninja 64 bits can manage more than 3 Gb.
So, unless you do this kind of things, using the 32 bits version will not change anything for you.

I don't know how Ninja is working with their data feed providers, and what information is given to Ninja by them, but I assume their give them some specifications and/or their API.
If TT API is not 64 bits, Ninja cannot do a lot against it...

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For Ninja 32 vs 64, the only advantage is when you need to do very large optimizations: complex strategies, a lot of bars, multiples time frames and multiple instruments. In this case, Ninja will need a lot of memory, and only a Ninja 64 bits can manage more than 3 Gb.
So, unless you do this kind of things, using the 32 bits version will not change anything for you.

Then that settles it. Thanks, sam.
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