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Hardware lust: trading PC with 6-monitors

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Still, did you try the windows drivers?

I haven't, but will keep that in mind when I have some time.

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Hi Guys...just came across this thread. I currently use 4 monitors with my laptop.

Am considering a PC setup before i fall back onto another laptop setup. I see the Fire Pro 2460 is a good cheap option recommendation.

Last PC...i may have built is approx 15-20yr back....so not in the know in PC peripherals.

Any advice...what PC can i go in for blindly since i guess you need 2 Firepro cards...and 2 PCIex16 slots in the PC.?...Which PC to use for a 8monitor setup and where to order from?

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kool... i looked at various posts & found PC info. Will either add another laptop or PC soon.

thnx guys....just looking thru the posts helped.

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Hi Guys,
Have a glitchy PC and I am embarking on a new build
Strictly Trading-Only.
6 screens 1900x1200 split as follows:
approx 4 screens with 20 (max) NinjaTrader charts (some GOMI indicators on them):
1 screen with Trade Navigator running 1 study
1 screen for comms e.g. skype, internet-squawk ...

From the thread there appears to be a multitude of cards to choose from
ATI FireMV 2250
Nvidia NVS 290's and 440's
Nvidia/colorful GeForce GT 640 Quad
AMD FirePro 2460
FirePro W600
etc...

To be honest I'm confused (being a non-techie doesn't help).
First and foremost I want to maximise reliability
With this in mind could any please comments or even suggest a preferred card?

If I could nail that down (even to a select few) then I can explore the choice of motherboard and CPU.
Regarding CPU the i7 4770K is supposed to be the; almost "latest and greatest". [Please note data computational and transfer speeds are of the next most importance.] However, from the thread I noted that NT is only supposed to use 1 core, so is this complete overkill - if so could anyone suggest something more compatible?
I will not be doing any back testing
I will not be doing any optimizing
And, I definitely will not be over clocking - anything!

I've read; for reliability, ASUS make "military grade" motherboards. (please note my current mb is a gigabyte and this has issues! so I would prefer to steer clear of this make). Choosing the Graphic Card(s) and CPU what would be a recommendation for the motherboard?

Regarding RAM is it fair to conclude from the thread that 16GB is more than adequate for my needs? If so would I get benefit from DDR3 1833 (or higher) over 1600. Speed is important within reason.

If I could get the above decided - Then I can choose a power supply. The thread suggests Corsair Modular so unless someone suggests otherwise I'll go with that.

Will I require a cooler (I will not be over-clocking). If so, any suggestions would be much appreciated.

These questions have me baffled and I have done many many hours of research, without much benefit. Going the high tech - overkill scares me. I would much prefer to keep it simple and at least above adequate. Hence my plea for help.

For completeness (and in case it is relevant) the rest of the build will include
SSD 250GB
2tb SATA 6Gb
DVD
W7

I would welcome any comments I can get on the above
Thank you in advance

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Hi Guys,
Have a glitchy PC and I am embarking on a new build
Strictly Trading-Only.
6 screens 1900x1200 split as follows:
approx 4 screens with 20 (max) NinjaTrader charts (some GOMI indicators on them):
1 screen with Trade Navigator running 1 study
1 screen for comms e.g. skype, internet-squawk ...

From the thread there appears to be a multitude of cards to choose from
ATI FireMV 2250
Nvidia NVS 290's and 440's
Nvidia/colorful GeForce GT 640 Quad
AMD FirePro 2460
FirePro W600
etc...

To be honest I'm confused (being a non-techie doesn't help).
First and foremost I want to maximise reliability
With this in mind could any please comments or even suggest a preferred card?

If I could nail that down (even to a select few) then I can explore the choice of motherboard and CPU.
Regarding CPU the i7 4770K is supposed to be the; almost "latest and greatest". [Please note data computational and transfer speeds are of the next most importance.] However, from the thread I noted that NT is only supposed to use 1 core, so is this complete overkill - if so could anyone suggest something more compatible?
I will not be doing any back testing
I will not be doing any optimizing
And, I definitely will not be over clocking - anything!

I've read; for reliability, ASUS make "military grade" motherboards. (please note my current mb is a gigabyte and this has issues! so I would prefer to steer clear of this make). Choosing the Graphic Card(s) and CPU what would be a recommendation for the motherboard?

Regarding RAM is it fair to conclude from the thread that 16GB is more than adequate for my needs? If so would I get benefit from DDR3 1833 (or higher) over 1600. Speed is important within reason.

If I could get the above decided - Then I can choose a power supply. The thread suggests Corsair Modular so unless someone suggests otherwise I'll go with that.

Will I require a cooler (I will not be over-clocking). If so, any suggestions would be much appreciated.

These questions have me baffled and I have done many many hours of research, without much benefit. Going the high tech - overkill scares me. I would much prefer to keep it simple and at least above adequate. Hence my plea for help.

For completeness (and in case it is relevant) the rest of the build will include
SSD 250GB
2tb SATA 6Gb
DVD
W7

I would welcome any comments I can get on the above
Thank you in advance

I've used countless ASUS boards and have no issue with them. Gigabyte is OK too. I tend to buy premium boards only.

For video card, believe me I've tried everything and there is no perfect solution -- at least when running six monitors 1920x1200 in a 3 wide, 2 high configuration. I think the "2 high" is what causes a lot of my problems, only because I cannot believe the crap I put up with would exist in a more "normal" configuration. I am using the W600 presently, and if forced to do it again today that is what I would use still. The card is more than capable, again I think it's the layout position.

Are you doing 3x2 like me? You might try switching to portrait orientation and doing six side by side. I ran this way for a while with 4 or 5 of them and I liked it, except for two issues that may not matter for you. One was webinars. Since webinars are a key part of my "job" at futures.io (formerly BMT), it was a problem that the max width of the webinar was 1200px because some presentations (many) are 1920 width. So this made it hard for me to see the webinar, unless I wanted to span it across two monitors in a single window, which I didn't. Second was websites. I prefer to run a browser width around 1650px. Running 1200px width is a problem.

If I were doing it over again on the monitors, I would get 2560x1600 monitors and do it in portrait mode. In fact, I am planning on making this purchase before I move to Ecuador, and sell my current monitors.

One thing I cannot stress enough is to make sure you use the right cables. Do not use any adapters of any kind. Use native cables. I am using mini-DisplayPort (W600) to DisplayPort (Dell U2412M) presently. Still I have rare problems where a monitor won't power on during wake. When I was using adapters on the "beta build" years ago, it was full of glitches like that.

CPU - any mid-to-high end i7 is fine and will last two or three years. You won't use the built in graphics on the CPU. I would get 16GB of memory. DDR 1600 is fine in my opinion unless you can get a good deal on 1866 or faster and are comfortable with the money. For most operations you will not see the difference in workstation use.

SSD - I would go with Samsung 840 Pro or Evo. Buy more than you need. Basically it means 256GB is minimum, 512GB is possibility if you are using this workstation for lots of other stuff in addition to trading. Over provision it. Read up on that.

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As for cooler btw, I always get custom heatsinks/fans. Never use a stock one! So put aside $50 or so for a good cooler and you'll 100% want to do it at same time you build the rest, because it requires a backplate on the otherside of mainboard which is impossible to get to after you build it in the case.

You can find many good brands on Newegg. Just check review sites for comparisons on which coolers are good bang for buck. I run water cooling personally, but for normal use, even normal "trading" "heavy" use, it is not necessary.

BTW you didn't mention PSU. Don't skimp. I would buy Seasonic if you can, or Corsair if not, and I would get modular. You won't need a high rating unless you are playing games on high end video cards. Just get something like a 600W high-efficiency PSU and you are in good shape. Something like this should be fine:

SeaSonic SS-520FL2 520W ATX12V / EPS12V 80 PLUS PLATINUM Certified Full Modular Active PFC Power Supply - Newegg.com

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Hi guys,

I saw that in this thread there were really good hints for what I should look for when building a custom trading PC.

I would like to have a 4 to 6 monitor set-up, starting out with 4 (24") but which can easily be extended to more. Hence, I thought I would start out with 2 x Asus GeForce GTX 760 DirectCU II OC 2GB GDDR5 and if I need more in the future I can add another graphic card.

The rest I was looking into:

Processor - Intel CPU Core i7 4770K 3.5GHz Haswell
Mainboard - ASUS Z87-WS
Graphic 1 - Asus GeForce GTX 760
Graphic 2 - Asus GeForce GTX 760
Memory - 16GB (2 x Corsair memory 8GB Dominator Platinum Kit (2x4GB) DDR3 2133MHz)
SSD main - Samsung 250GB SSD 840 EVO Series SATA III
SSD second - Samsung 250GB SSD 840 EVO Series SATA III
Power - Corsair 850W ATX 12v v2.4 Modular PSU RM Series RM850
OS - Microsoft Windows 7 Professional 64Bit

I would really appreciate if anybody could give me their comments on the set-up as I am currently trading with a laptop and a second 20" screen. Therefore, I don't know if that set-up would make sense. Just for my trading, I normally have like up to 8 - 10 charts open and mainly trade stocks.

Also, does anybody uses a 1-monitor set-up (like 40") and splits the screen in 4 individual sections? Would that be even good for trading? I came across this review.

Thanks in advance

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Hi Mastadee

As you will see above I'm currently having one built. I took BihMike's advice and went with most of his recommendations. The end product would be quite similar to your spec.

However there were a few things that came up since (please note I'm not that tech orientated - so I may not have understood the complexities accurately but I'll try to relay what I've [half] learned as good as I can):

I got talked into letting them over clock the i7 4770k. It appears that "it's pointless getting a 'k' version of the i7 if you're not going to over clock coz that's what its built for!!!. But the overclocking has thrown up a few glitches. Thus, I haven't got the machine back yet.

Regarding the Graphic cards - i found this the most difficult area to determine what to choose. Apparently trading only requires 2D basic graphic cards. Anything else is complete overkill - as in - you will not notice the extra power. For example: I spoke to the guys at Trading Computers for Day Trading & Stock Trading, EZ Trading Computers For Sale . They would use 3x GT 610 1GB for a 6 moinitor setup with your spec. This is what I went with in the end. However, if you want to game and the likes I don't think that these would be adequate.

RAM - apparently there is 2 numbers to look at the big number like 2133MHz and there is a small number - i think it's referred to as "latency" - but please correct me if necessary coz not sure. When I was looking into this I found a chart in Tom's Hardware website (can't find it now) from a RAM expert that explained that there is little difference in performance from say 1600/x, 1866/x+1, 2133/x+2, 2400x+3 where x is the "latency". From what I recall x would be something like 8. But you might want to do your own research on this.
There was also comments on the best brand. From what I could find it comes down to corsair and G.skill. The gaming forums seem to prefer G.skill. But if you read the reviews on these products on newegg.com I found that corsair had less negative (% wise) comments.
Also, it appears that using anything more than 1866MHz for trading is complete overkill.

Re SSD - I went with Mike's advice and got a 500Gb with a 2Tb HDD for storage. Can I ask - why are you going with 2 SDDs?

on the PSU part - you haven't mentioned - I wnet with Mike advice again and choose a corsair h80i hydro. I was told that that was a bit OTT but it didn't cost that much.

Hope that helps - good luck with the build - would like to hear how you find it. I will be posting same when (if) I ever get mine back.

Please note - as stated above this is what I have read and been told I can't verify any of it.

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Hi Rosphite

Cheers for your comments they are very helpful, especially on the processor and ram. I had no idea that "k" was mainly for overclocking. In regards of the graphic cards, it's good to know that I dont really need high specs as I dont intend to play games on the trading machine.

To answer your question for 2 identical SSDs, i'm intending to use a RAID 1 set-up to mirror my data. It's mainly for back-up reasons as I had hard disks fail on me where i lost data in the past. These were old HDDs but I just want to make sure that this would never happen again. i know that SSDs are much more reliable than HDDs but im happy to pay the extra money for that.

i'll let you know how it goes as I intend to order all my parts by the end of the month and then put it all together in the beginning of Feb. I'm still deciding with the monitor set-up as I'm doing some more research if one 40" could also work...?!

Thanks again for your helpful comments!!

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