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use your older computer for web surfing, email, game etc... then you don't even have to install any virus defender on your trading rig.

Very true, ideally. A lot of virus programs will definitely conflict with NinjaTrader. But unless you are an "expert" user, you should not attempt to run any PC without a virus scanner. Most people are not smart enough to be virus-scanner free and click on bad links, download stupid things, and infect their PC's

But yes, for expert user, stop all the extra pointless Windows services, no virus/malware app, etc -- can make a noticeable difference in responsiveness.

Personally, my trading PC is my main heavy-lifting PC. I do most everything on it, and it doesn't bother me. MultiCharts may take an extra 1 second to load, but I only 'load' it once a month anyway (after patch Tuesday reboot) and then it just stays open. I don't have a software firewall, so no socket performance issues -- I just use a hardware firewall. This PC also acts as one of my media servers with over 3TB of movies, plus handles most my email and web browsing, etc. None of which bothers me in any way, nor does it truly have any impact on my trading.

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I bought these parts from the cheapest Web sources to co-exist with 3 existing Samsung SyncMaster 920B screens. Total cost after rebates was $1100. A local gaming geek charged $100 to build it.

MICROSOFT GFC-00599 Windows 7 Home Premium 64 Bit Software OEM

Asus M4A79XTD EVO Socket AM3/ AMD 790X/ CrossFireX/ A&GbE/ ATX Motherboard

CPU AMD|PH II X4 955 3.2G AM3 R

2 Western Digital 500 GB Caviar Black SATA 7200 RPM 32 MB Cache Bulk/OEM Desktop Hard Drive

CASE ACC THERMALTAKE

CASE ANTEC|P183

PSU ANTEC|EA650

MEM 2Gx2|GSK F3-10600CL8D-4GBHK

2 VGA ASUS | EAH4350 SL/DI/512M LP

Nothing like fanless video cards for real quiet performance.

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Here's that "complete system for under $1,000" that BigMike refers to in post #9:


https://futures.io/beginners-introductions-tutorials/4415-newbie-infopool-tradin...dations-2.html#post55330





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Assuming that your primary trading machine will also be used light-duty for web surfing and email, but no video games, no media serving, then basically:
  • Any quad core CPU will be sufficient, even the cheapest ones
  • 8GB of RAM will be sufficient
  • Windows 7 64-bit
  • 500GB 7200RPM HDD, or bigger, depending how much "other light duty" you intend
  • External eSATA or USB 1TB hard drive for backup
  • No on-board video, usually not good for multi-monitor setups
  • On-board audio is sufficient
  • nVidia GeForce 9500GT ($75) fanless, dual-DVI is sufficient

Now, if you want three or more monitors, buy two of the video cards. You can get faster CPU, more memory, bigger HDD, better video card, etc etc --- but none of them will make any difference for trading, web browsing, or email. If your trading does involve a lot of backtesting automated strategies, then sure, a faster CPU will save you time. But any quad core CPU will be able to handle dozens and dozens of charts, the bottleneck will not be the CPU at this point.

On another thread someone was asking for recommendations, I found a complete system for under $1,000 on NewEgg that was far, far more "high end" than what I have listed above. I think a trader would get far more use out of spending $1,000 for four high-end 24" monitors and a quad-monitor stand, rather than spending a lot of extra money on the CPU itself.

This is coming from someone who has a massive lab of computer equipment, way overkill x 100 on everything. If you have money to burn or computers is a 'hobby' then sure, go for it. If you just want a reliable trading system, your money is better spent on quality monitors, and 3 or 4 of them Spend your money on a nice desk, and chair, etc. These things will help your trading efficiency far more than a fast computer.

Mike


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Big Mike gave me one of his old systems he was no longer using, and also helped me get a great deal on my monitors. Hard to beat that deal!

This is my primary trading system; is only used for trading and e-mail; no games, no media server, etc.

CPU: Intel E6850 overclocked a bit to 3.6GHZ
MEMORY: 8GB of memory
VIDEO CARDS: Nvidia 8600GT and 8800GT connected to:
MONITORS: 3 x Acer X233H 23"wide 1080P
HARD DRIVES: 3 x SATA II 7200RPM / RAID 0 using on-board Nvidia software RAID controller (tried hardware with a 3Ware card and wasn't any faster)
OPTICAL: PATA DVD-RW drive
NETWORK: Gigabit wired to the router, wireless for backup/secondary
CASE: Decent case which is pretty quiet considering I have a few fans on the drives
UPS: BX1300G APC USB UPS (a must!)
KB/MOUSE/WEBCAM: I added a nice back-lit keyboard and wireless laser mouse (Logitech performance MX, love it), as well as a Logitech webcam to finish it off. Using onboard audio.
OS: Windows 7 x64
BACKUP: Iomega 1TB USB via Acronis for bare metal recovery if needed.

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This is more than enough to run Outlook, Firefox, Skype, Jing, Remote desktop to second machine, and of course, Ninja 6.X with about 10 charts without any issues.

Yes, an older system, but still more than enough for trading and such.

Point being, any new machine with a decent hard drive and enough connections for your monitor(s) should be good to go.

Don't forget the UPS, and a nice mouse!

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cory View Post
use your older computer for web surfing, email, game etc... then you don't even have to install any virus defender on your trading rig.


Don't you need virus protection regardless since a trading PC is connected to the outside world?

D

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Don't you need virus protection regardless since a trading PC is connected to the outside world?

D

IMO,

If you have a good hardware firewall, and only install something like MultiCharts, DTN IQfeed API, and X-Trader along with a something like Chrome in only browse in incognito mode with no extensions and no Flash, then you can be reasonably sure you will not get infected by anything. But like I said, only the most experienced users need apply --- and even then, sometimes not worth the risk. You could definitely get by with disabling real-time scanning though and just go to a nightly scan, if you were super concerned about latency or delay.

Mike

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Need help?
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2) Start a journal and post to it daily with the trades you made to show your strengths and weaknesses.
3) Set goals for yourself to reach daily. Make them about how you trade, not how much money you make.
4) Accept responsibility for your actions. Stop looking elsewhere to explain away poor performance.
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Don't forget the UPS

Yes very true. Especially here in Texas, lots of thunderstorms. I have four UPS's in the house. One CyberPower 1400 is for protecting my DLP+stereo equip, ps3, dvr, etc etc, the other three are computer equip. I have two CyberPower 1400's for my main trading system, one for the PC and one for monitors+accessories (ext eSATA drives, 7.1 speaker system, lamp).

I have another CyberPower 1200 for my back wall which is redundant routers, dsl + cable modem, gigabit switch, wifi router, and a headless Q6600 system.

Again, overkill. You can get a nice CyberPower for $100 that will power your system and one monitor (your primary monitor), and your cable modem+router for probably 15 minutes or more. In my experience, the power is either out for 5-10 seconds, or its out for much longer than even for UPS's will last and you probably knew a storm was coming anyway and aren't concerned about trading.

It is cool to watch TV when the power is out though. lol. For about 10 minutes Be sure to give time for the DLP fan to cool down the TV after you turn it off before the UPS dies. Mitsubishi 65" DLP, I take care of her.

Mike

Due to time constraints, please do not PM me if your question can be resolved or answered on the forum.

Need help?
1) Stop changing things. No new indicators, charts, or methods. Be consistent with what is in front of you first.
2) Start a journal and post to it daily with the trades you made to show your strengths and weaknesses.
3) Set goals for yourself to reach daily. Make them about how you trade, not how much money you make.
4) Accept responsibility for your actions. Stop looking elsewhere to explain away poor performance.
5) Where to start as a trader? Watch this webinar and read this thread for hundreds of questions and answers.
6)
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Don't you need virus protection regardless since a trading PC is connected to the outside world?

D

Anti virus itself can also be a nuisance as you never know what going to happen after one of those endless upgrading. My broker told me if I restrict the activity to just watching the charts then there is no reason to install any anti virus software.

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Firewall?

Hi Big Mike,

I #9 above you noted: "I don't have a software firewall, so no socket performance issues -- I just use a hardware firewall."

I am not sure I understand this difference, could you share an example of a hardware firewall?

Thanks.

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RRider View Post
Hi Big Mike,

I #9 above you noted: "I don't have a software firewall, so no socket performance issues -- I just use a hardware firewall."

I am not sure I understand this difference, could you share an example of a hardware firewall?

Thanks.

Well, you can get some fancy dedicated hardware firewall's like these, but the basic options built-in to my router are sufficient for me to restrict what reaches my machine.

A software firewall means it runs locally on your machine, a piece of software.

Mike

Due to time constraints, please do not PM me if your question can be resolved or answered on the forum.

Need help?
1) Stop changing things. No new indicators, charts, or methods. Be consistent with what is in front of you first.
2) Start a journal and post to it daily with the trades you made to show your strengths and weaknesses.
3) Set goals for yourself to reach daily. Make them about how you trade, not how much money you make.
4) Accept responsibility for your actions. Stop looking elsewhere to explain away poor performance.
5) Where to start as a trader? Watch this webinar and read this thread for hundreds of questions and answers.
6)
Help using the forum? Watch this video to learn general tips on using the site.

If you want
to support our community, become an Elite Member.

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