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WHICH CPU is BEST for NINJA TRADER 7 and 8 ?

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Ok -- Awesome

I have an i7-8700K with 32GB of ram >>>> and just saw that it is using 15% max but mostly 6% CPU load with it running at 4.3Ghz >>> not idling

but I am using freaking 54% of RAM. :O What the F

Maybe all my Chrome and Firefox tabs...



Yea -- I don't think I would upgrade unless it is actually a real and noticeable difference.

That's a nice chip, I think you are in good shape for a couple years at least. It sounds like you may have a memory leak. I would keep tabs on memory consumption per program that is running and see if one of them keeps increasing memory without you doing anything to warrant it. Maybe one of your browsers needs an update. Never a bad idea to boot into safe mode and run virus and malware scans too.

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True >>>

My biggest RAM users are NT8, NT7 and Chrome :O and yes I have had Memory Leaks from NT 8 like crazy sometimes. Will try updating this weekend -- and see if they desappear.

I have to check for malware on Chrome then.. :O

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OpalDragon View Post
True >>>

My biggest RAM users are NT8, NT7 and Chrome :O and yes I have had Memory Leaks from NT 8 like crazy sometimes. Will try updating this weekend -- and see if they desappear.

I have to check for malware on Chrome then.. :O

most likely one of your custom indicators is responsible for the memory leak.

anyway, if you can't figure out what indicator is causing the problem, @Sim22 provided some great tips:


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I always open NT8 now with ONLY a simple workspace (all else should be closed) with only a couple of naked minute/tick charts on it. Connect to your broker, let the data load, then open your complicated workspaces. This seems to solve most memory leaks. The change from Historical state to Realtime seems to cause NT8 some grief with the OnRender method


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Awesome

You know -- I was thinking of doing the same thing....

So you have to remember to close NT 8 with a clean and simple workspace always.

And then open it with the a complicated one later?

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Gentlemen -- I have seen some new very very powerful CPUs coming out of Intel lately and some very fast AMD examples as well...

I was wondering if any of you guys have an idea of what would be the best CPU and RAM combo for running Ninja right now...

Does Ninja need ECC ram?

Does it work better with a Server Processor with a TON of L2 and L3 cache

~or~

Would a gaming processor with an ultra high clock speed be better like the i9-9900KF? You can get the i9-9900KF to a stable 5.2Ghz overclock now...

So yea what do you think? Are they over kill also?

Is Ninja 8 more >>> GPU DEPENDENT >>> than CPU dependent? I feel that could be the case sometimes...

Anybody that knows more about hardware I would love to know. Some people even think that new Intel CPUs are completely over rated. :O Is that so? Some people think they are not "worth it".

I want something that is very very durable and I wouldn't have to upgrade or mess with for years --- so I was looking at the XEON Processors. The added reliability sounds really good.

What do you guys think?

In my humble opinion you are approaching this from the entirety wrong angle. What really matters (and consequently affects your trading as well as platform response) is how well your system is tuned overall and balanced for the components used. CPU, RAM and other elements of trading machine work only as good as the conditions they are placed in. You may have the fastest CPU on the market but it will do very little for you if the system BUS is not capable to channel that data fast enough and if your GPU is not catching up with your CPU. Also, the most important component of any CPU performance is the cooling system your machine is equipped with as well as power supply that needs to deliver stable juice (without spikes) for your overclocked processor. RAM speed and overall design of the system board (motherboard) is equally important.

What you need is WELL DESIGNED TRADING SYSTEM and not some Hot Rod with flashy parameters made by gaming company or anyone else who has NO idea what it means to build trading machine properly.

If you want to be serious about this then look at https://www.tradingcomputers.com/. This is a US based firm that specializes exclusively in building well balanced and properly overclocked machines designed for trading. For the record, I am not endorsing this company and I don’t work for them but I have been using their systems for trading for the past 10 years and never had anything better in my life.

To summarize, proper hardware is indeed important, but if you think this will make dramatic difference in your trading, then think again. You must know what you doing and have a plan. Best machine on the market will not make you profitable and consistent.

Mek.

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In my humble opinion you are approaching this from the entirety wrong angle. What really matters (and consequently affects your trading as well as platform response) is how well your system is tuned overall and balanced for the components used. CPU, RAM and other elements of trading machine work only as good as the conditions they are placed in. You may have the fastest CPU on the market but it will do very little for you if the system BUS is not capable to channel that data fast enough and if your GPU is not catching up with your CPU. Also, the most important component of any CPU performance is the cooling system your machine is equipped with as well as power supply that needs to deliver stable juice (without spikes) for your overclocked processor. RAM speed and overall design of the system board (motherboard) is equally important.

What you need is WELL DESIGNED TRADING SYSTEM and not some Hot Rod with flashy parameters made by gaming company or anyone else who has NO idea what it means to build trading machine properly.

If you want to be serious about this then look at https://www.tradingcomputers.com/. This is a US based firm that specializes exclusively in building well balanced and properly overclocked machines designed for trading. For the record, I am not endorsing this company and I don’t work for them but I have been using their systems for trading for the past 10 years and never had anything better in my life.

To summarize, proper hardware is indeed important, but if you think this will make dramatic difference in your trading, then think again. You must know what you doing and have a plan. Best machine on the market will not make you profitable and consistent.

Mek.

Yea true....
And I totally forgot about Trading Computers (Falcon Systems) They do make cool shit.

I also looked at these guys:
TITAN COMPUTERS
https://www.titancomputers.com/Titan-Overclocked-Workstation-Computers-s/984.htm

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In my humble opinion NT8 programming is very inefficient. I made the mistake of buying NT8 and I totally regret it. If you use multiple chats with a few indicators on each chart, you can pretty much give up because what I found is that the plotting of price data on the chats would start lagging considerably. In other words, I would see price data plotted on my chats a few seconds "after" it actually took place. That is clearly unacceptable. Technical support a Ninja did not have a solution to this problem, and believe me, I was on the phone many times with them. Now, if you are going to use a single or couple of charts with one or two simple indicators, then that might work fine for trading. Otherwise, save your money.

And finally, it was not my computer the lagger... I have a high end desktop with a powerful video card, so, that was not the issue. So, do not think that spending more money on a computer will solve this problem with Ninja.

Hope it helps.

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In my humble opinion NT8 programming is very inefficient. I made the mistake of buying NT8 and I totally regret it. If you use multiple chats with a few indicators on each chart, you can pretty much give up because what I found is that the plotting of price data on the chats would start lagging considerably. In other words, I would see price data plotted on my chats a few seconds "after" it actually took place. That is clearly unacceptable. Technical support a Ninja did not have a solution to this problem, and believe me, I was on the phone many times with them. Now, if you are going to use a single or couple of charts with one or two simple indicators, then that might work fine for trading. Otherwise, save your money.

And finally, it was not my computer the lagger... I have a high end desktop with a powerful video card, so, that was not the issue. So, do not think that spending more money on a computer will solve this problem with Ninja.

Hope it helps.

I completely agree. Ninja platform is one of the oldest ones on the market and clearly they have a very large user base. I have tested them years back as well as over the years and have found the platform response to be unacceptable for the same very reasons stated above.

This is why I have switched to Sierra Charts and never looked back. Problem is, that many people have invested too much money into tools for NT platform and they are reluctant to switch.

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While I view myself as competent I'm not an expert and when it comes to high end trading boxs I take advice from people that know more than me. Interesting that this is an AMD vs i7/i9 discussion with no mention Xeon. I understand Xeon chips are more expensive, so if your super focused on cost this isn't an option, but there's a reason servers run Xeon chips. ( ECC Memory I believe is a big factor). For what its worth my main trading desktop runs Xeon chips and I don't know that it's ever crashed for any reason (It does run super hot though and I had to add extra fans to have both Xeon chips and a high end graphics card.)

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Anyone of these PC will do. Except you don't need 2 GPU's but you wanna have 1. The Intel i7 with 8 cores is excellent for business application and if you are on a budget go with the i5 at 6 cores. The graphics card doesn't need to be more than 4 GB so the nvdia GTX 980 is good. My rig is 3 years old the specs are Intel i6 4 cores, GTX 980 TI, 32 GB RAM,.
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