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But yes, it would be cool if Sierra Chart or anyone else came out with versions for the Mac or Linux.

Cool yes. But think of the resources involved for them to make such a thing work, and they are targeting what... maybe 1% of the market? Even being generous and saying 5%, those resources are better spent elsewhere.

For those of us who prefer to tinker, keep your Linux stuff as you wish but just run a damn emulator inside because at some point, you simply need Windows. If you like Sierra Chart or whatever and you like Linux, the best option is to use a seamless window virtual machine so it is running on Windows but transparently on your linux desktop.

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[3] Windows for those who likes or do not mind Microsoft spying on their lives and intellectual property and are happy to try to fix the computer when it explode on their face.

I suggest you not use the internet, because basically you are tracked every step of the way.

Can you link me to an article about Microsoft stealing intellectual property via Windows 10? Hadn't heard that one before.

You should try looking at things differently in my opinion. Data usage statistics are anonymously gathered, and help make Windows a better product. You can argue that Microsoft shouldn't be allowed to make money, and should be a non-profit or whatever, but capitalism exists and right now Microsoft is for profit. So, in order to strengthen Microsoft, they need to make money. And a stronger Microsoft delivers a better product.

Google is another great example. Who wants to live in a world without Google? Yes, "it" has access to my email, my calendar, my search history. It isn't blackmailing me, it's using this stuff to offer a better experience to me. Because I gave it permission to read my email, Google Trips automatically puts all my travel plans on my calendar. Because I gave it access to my contacts on Android, I can call, email or text anyone by simply speaking to my phone.

And because Google is allowed to make money from this, they offer some of the best user-facing tools available in the world. Who wants to go back to Yahoo mail instead of gmail? Who wants to go back to Mapquest instead of Google Maps?

The world we live in has cameras everywhere. You are being recorded every time you leave your house. Red light cameras, ATM cameras, security cameras at every mall or fast food joint. Cars are now equipped with cameras. Police have cameras. Everyone in the world has a cell phone.

I for one am glad we live in this world, and not one from 100 years ago. I enjoy technology.

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Cool yes. But think of the resources involved for them to make such a thing work, and they are targeting what... maybe 1% of the market? Even being generous and saying 5%, those resources are better spent elsewhere.

For those of us who prefer to tinker, keep your Linux stuff as you wish but just run a damn emulator inside because at some point, you simply need Windows. If you like Sierra Chart or whatever and you like Linux, the best option is to use a seamless window virtual machine so it is running on Windows but transparently on your linux desktop.

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You have a very narrow mind by saying stuff like that and are not thinking ahead and all possibilities and benefits that it could bring for all, through consumer choices and not monopolist tactics. [of course no for the monopolist]

Apart from sort of bad business "karma" for Sierra Chart as well... I wish @SierraChart success on their Mac and Linux project and I really hope they can capitalize on it and generate good revenue.

The market share of Mac and Linux is way above 5% specially when you compare the mean of say three or more sources, and you will find that it is betewen 10% and 15%, of course more Macs than Linux [Wikipedia can give you some clues], the market share of Windows 10 is about 20%/25% so [100% - let's say 25% - let's say 10% = 65%], about 65% is where other Windows version user's are and this is the potential Windows users that could very well move to Mac and Linux, because at some point they will have to move to another OS and that may not be Windows, because the odds of them not being satisfied with MS way of doing business is very high, and so on and so and so forth.

So you conclusion, business model and numbers does not add up and is very flawless.


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I suggest you not use the internet, because basically you are tracked every step of the way.

Can you link me to an article about Microsoft stealing intellectual property via Windows 10? Hadn't heard that one before.

You should try looking at things differently in my opinion. Data usage statistics are anonymously gathered, and help make Windows a better product. You can argue that Microsoft shouldn't be allowed to make money, and should be a non-profit or whatever, but capitalism exists and right now Microsoft is for profit. So, in order to strengthen Microsoft, they need to make money. And a stronger Microsoft delivers a better product.

Google is another great example. Who wants to live in a world without Google? Yes, "it" has access to my email, my calendar, my search history. It isn't blackmailing me, it's using this stuff to offer a better experience to me. Because I gave it permission to read my email, Google Trips automatically puts all my travel plans on my calendar. Because I gave it access to my contacts on Android, I can call, email or text anyone by simply speaking to my phone.

And because Google is allowed to make money from this, they offer some of the best user-facing tools available in the world. Who wants to go back to Yahoo mail instead of gmail? Who wants to go back to Mapquest instead of Google Maps?

The world we live in has cameras everywhere. You are being recorded every time you leave your house. Red light cameras, ATM cameras, security cameras at every mall or fast food joint. Cars are now equipped with cameras. Police have cameras. Everyone in the world has a cell phone.

I for one am glad we live in this world, and not one from 100 years ago. I enjoy technology.

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Did I say spying or stealing can you show me where did I said stealing? Spying is a totally different world than stealing so do not put worlds in my mouth.

I appreciate your suggestion to how not to use or how to use the internet but I do not really need your suggestion regarding this matter but thank you.

For me you sound pretty much like a Microsoft share holder even thought you may not be one and I am just guessing, I am sorry but I do not wave flags and cheerleader like that. Capitalism yes, but there are other ways to make money other than deceptive monopolist tactics that is MS Windows and other than spying on peoples lives.

No Google is not a great example simply because I create this thread to discuss about OS, the major OS [Windows, Mac and Linux] on a desktop environment and others things related to trading not to talk about Google services, and if you like being track and spied by Google as well that is your decision and that is good for you, I know I do not.

Again I create this thread to talk about the major OS [Windows, Mac and Linux] on a desktop environment and others things related to trading and not about Google, Yahoo, Amazon, Facebook, Android, mobile phones, tablets, red light cameras, ATM cameras, security cameras, cars etc... So show some respect.

Do not get me wrong I honestly appreciate what you have done for the trading community and I really do but again if you want my honest opinion and it is just my personal opinion and no offense but I think you have a very narrow mind.


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But yes, it would be cool if Sierra Chart or anyone else came out with versions for the Mac or Linux. Competition is good, and is what decides these things in the end.

Bob.


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Cool yes. But think of the resources involved for them to make such a thing work, and they are targeting what... maybe 1% of the market? Even being generous and saying 5%, those resources are better spent elsewhere.

For those of us who prefer to tinker, keep your Linux stuff as you wish but just run a damn emulator inside because at some point, you simply need Windows. If you like Sierra Chart or whatever and you like Linux, the best option is to use a seamless window virtual machine so it is running on Windows but transparently on your linux desktop.

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I do agree with this, of course. The rest of my point was that competition, which means the market, will decide. I was surprised to read that they were working on a version for Linux or Mac, precisely because the market share is so low.

As for me, I don't run Mac or Linux and don't plan to, on the desktop.

I had a longer post that I decided to delete that went into this. I think the Mac is a niche market and Linux is big on servers but nowhere else, so I don't see where the developer payoff is.

But if they want to do it, fine, the market will decide. (So far, I think it has, in favor of Windows. )

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Do not get me wrong I honestly appreciate what you have done for the trading community and I really do but again if you want my honest opinion and it is just my personal opinion and no offense but I think you have a very narrow mind.

Do not get me wrong I honestly appreciate all the posts in this thread and I really do but if you want my honest opinion and it is just my personal opinion because I really do have no stake in this debate and should know better at my age but it's in-between Christmas and New Year and I need a beer and no offence but I really think that anybody who thinks that somebody with different opinions is narrow minded might just be being narrow minded.

We saw a lot of pointlessly antsy debates in all areas of life in 2016, let's at least recognize that we are living in a highly complex world with a huge number of successfully different opinions.

Cheers and Best Wishes for 2017

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Do not get me wrong I honestly appreciate all the posts in this thread and I really do but if you want my honest opinion and it is just my personal opinion because I really do have no stake in this debate and should know better at my age but it's in-between Christmas and New Year and I need a beer and no offence but I really think that anybody who thinks that somebody with different opinions is narrow minded might just be being narrow minded.

We saw a lot of pointlessly antsy debates in all areas of life in 2016, let's at least recognize that we are living in a highly complex world with a huge number of successfully different opinions.

Cheers and Best Wishes for 2017

I also should know better than to get into operating system disputes. There's never a future in it.

Everyone should use what they want. If it works for them, great. I'll do the same.

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Do not get me wrong I honestly appreciate all the posts in this thread and I really do but if you want my honest opinion and it is just my personal opinion because I really do have no stake in this debate and should know better at my age but it's in-between Christmas and New Year and I need a beer and no offence but I really think that anybody who thinks that somebody with different opinions is narrow minded might just be being narrow minded.

We saw a lot of pointlessly antsy debates in all areas of life in 2016, let's at least recognize that we are living in a highly complex world with a huge number of successfully different opinions.

Cheers and Best Wishes for 2017

You do have stake in this thread unless you are not running no OS at all or Windows other than 7 or 10 and you could have contribute by stay on topic and not giving moral lessons, I am sorry but I do not need “moral lessons”. I just do not appreciate when people try to take worlds from my mouth and come up with sarcastic suggestions, ironic comments and conclusions that does not add up. And the fact that I said @Big Mike has a narrow mind is not due to difference of opinions but due to his attitude towards the discussion.

You too have a great new year.


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At 40:25, Linus Torvalds the guy himself just say Microsoft/Windows is full of shit, and everybody claps!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MShbP3OpASA

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At 40:25, Linus Torvalds the guy himself just say Microsoft/Windows is full of shit, and everybody claps!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MShbP3OpASA

It would be interesting to see the same video with Bill Gates saying MS is full of sh...
You can like it or hate it but there's not a lot of options and Windows is unavoidable in many cases.
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