Please, I'm looking for information from people that have made this upgrade, not personal opinions.

@jta3 are you still happy with your purchase of the Philips?

Mike

Very happy. Can't live without it now. It have become natural to look at.

For my part it have help me getting the big picture for price action. It might take me several month before I can simplify what I am doing, and make a indicator there don't need a big screen. My purpose is to have a lot of data on screen, on one chart.

Only thing is reflection on screen if there are bright light in room. But not a problem for my part.

Yes I saw similar reviews saying the screen was too glossy for professional use. I'm still trying to figure out if I can cram two of these on my desk, side-by-side, and I am equally concerned about the border being right in the middle and center of my field of view.

I've tried to think back to the last time I had only two monitors, it was 15 years ago or more, and I don't really recall thinking the border in the center of my field of view was a problem.

However, another concern is people saying the viewing angles were not great. When you have two monitors, this would be greatly amplified especially at the edges/corners on the outside. I'm not watching movies, just looking at charts, so I think it would probably still be OK but not sure.

It is an extremely painful process to get this monitor, because it has to (a) be imported into the US [until Philips starts selling in US], then (b) imported into Ecuador. This raises the price of the monitor by over 50%, and it also makes returns/repairs/replacements impossible, so I have to really be positive in the decision.

Mike

I would look at what my need / specification is. If it is many small charts, then other screen can solve that. If there is a need for one big chart, then go for it. two 40" side by side is very big, even for me.
My own solution is 1 40" and 3 28". From time to time all of them is running. Most of the time it is 40" and one 28"

40" use for what I can measure is 42.7 Watt

I'm too anal to have mis-matched monitors on my desk, I've done it in the past with just different manufacturers of the same size panel and couldn't stand it, so definitely couldn't handle two completely different sized panels.

Mike

Maybe there could be another way around.

I have try with a 55" 4K TV for the big picture, but run into problem with signal from Displayport to HDMI 2.0 60hz. I have seen some converter there say it can convert PC displayport to HDMI. But I don't trust that solution without seen it running in the real world. Anyway 4K TV are every where for some test.

You don't want to use a TV. Especially anything much over a 40", as it will look terrible. If you are using it to watch a movie from 10-12 feet away then fine, but not for anything where you are sitting directly in front of it.

Mike

@jta3, how deep is your desk? If you were to have two of these 40" side-by-side, angled in so you, center at desk, could see both, how deep do you think the desk would need to be? And how wide?

I'm trying to figure out the angle required so that you could see the content with just turning your neck, and not your whole body, from left to right. If you can help it would appreciated!

Mike

Hi Mike

I have make a rough drawing to estimate with a angle of 150 degree.
Measurement is Cm and In

My estimate for how deep your desk need to be "40 Minitor ASM Desk.gif"

@jta3, are you suggesting I need to be 70cm from the outer edge of the monitors (in my chair)?

That seems extreme. Right now my desk is roughly 150cm wide, and the outside monitors are at the extreme edges. I sit only maybe 10cm from the edge of the desk (my legs are under the desk).

Mike

If I understood your question right that you don't need to turn your head to see both monitors. Then yes.

Has the Philips BDM4065UC been released yet? I can't find it on newegg

Philips hasn't released in the US yet, but in the UK/Europe yes.

Mike

Thanks Mike, are there plans to release in the US at some point? Any idea when it's coming out?

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Hi,

what would you guys prefer ?

2 of the Philips BDM4065 4k 40" monitors or 6 of full HD 24" Displays.

Any thoughts/ experience on this ?

Alex

Just got the Philips, and it is really nice.

I was looking for a single screen with lots of content, and this fits the bill. I previously had tried a 50" 4K, and it was too much screen, so went back to two 32" side by side - I do not mind the bezel, as I usually consider the two screens separate content anyway.

Now the 40" is a nice size for the 4K pixels, and it does not have to be so far away to see properly.

The only down side, is the price is still coming down fast. I suspect you will be able to get similar monitors for a lot cheaper if you are willing to wait a bit.

Personally, I would not get two of these side by side.

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fwiw, I am in the market for a new monitor (currently using a 2007 era Dell 19" widescreen monitor) and started off doing research on 4K monitors. I came across this ultrawide monitor review where he makes a compelling argument against going 4K due to scaling issues in Windows. The review is a bit dated so there are likely newer improved models, but I have been threatening to order one of these ultrawides. Keeping in mind that the wife is going to be shaking her head that I paid this much for a monitor that will not improve work/trading performance.

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has display port but not sure on the specs?


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Hey guys I'm considering upgrading to a 4k 40" monitor I currently have a 17" laptop a 27" and a 24" I'd probably have everything I need on the 4k 40" and my laptop would pretty much become a desktop.

I've narrowed it down to a Samsung 6500 or 6700 series.

Samsung UN40JU6500 40" Class 4K Ultra HD Smart LED TV - Newegg.com

Samsung UN40JU6700 40" Class Curved 4K Ultra HD Smart LED TV - Newegg.com.

This is my laptop:


MSI Slim GS70 2OD-002US Intel Core i7-4700HQ 16GB Memory 1TB HDD 128GB x 2 SSD Super RAID0 NVIDIA GeForce GTX 765M 2GB 2 x Mini Displayport 1xHMDI Connect up to 3 Monitors 17.3" Gaming Laptop/Notebook Windows 8 Thinner than Razer Blade Pro (Upgraded to Windows 10)

Questions:

Is my system adequate to get 4k at 60hz? 4:4:4? any advantage on the curved 6700 Samsung series over the flat 6500 series?

4:4:4 60hz is not really applicable to trading mind you, so it likely isn't a deal breaker. I wanted 60hz just because I prefer the better refresh rate on my eyes.

Mike

Found that my laptop's HDMI port will cap resolution to 1920

There are no scaling issues with Windows 10. I think since Windows 8.1, it's not an issue. With Windows 7, yes.

If you buy a 40 or 42" 4K monitor I think it's a great fit for trading (and I am using 40's). If you are doing something like a 27" then I think it's a waste for trading. Traders don't need density, we need resolution.

Mike

Have you posted a recent pic of your setup? If not, can we get a peek?

No, the office and my workspace in this rent house are no good. I'll post plenty of pictures once the new house is completed, I post pictures there almost every day of the construction.

Mike

I was just wondering how you set up the monitors. Still 3 side by side in portrait mode? I think I saw a pic of yours like that once.

If you have Intel HD:

I use this trick for my 50inch 4k using an older HP ProBook 5330m I had no use for with only Intel HD 3000 graphics. Its a smidgen of complete width at 3840 (perfect though) and 24Hz has a little flicker (I'm the only one who sees this..fast eyes) but it works fine the 'big picture' trading screens.

Using the Intel Custom Resolution Utility (which may need to be downloaded if the driver is still OEM).
https://forums.intel.com/s/question/0D70P0000068kXvSAI - Last post:

"It is possible to do UHD (3840x2160P) using this chip by being careful to stay under the maximum HDMI dot clock.
Using CustomModeApp:
Front Porch H=48 V=3
Back Porch H=80 V=23
Sync Width H=32 V=5
Active H=3840 V=2160
Scan Rate V=25

It relies on the screen supporting 24Hz refresh rates as most UHD screens will. 24Hz is used by Blue-ray in film mode.
Dot Clock for these HDMI settings is 221MHz which is below the hardware maximum of 225MHz
"

Did a little research yesterday it seems like a decent I7 desktop with the 40" 4k can be done at about $2k I'll just wait a few months wife is on a Christmas shopping spree right now lol.

Did a little research yesterday it seems like a decent I7 desktop with the 40" 4k can be done at about $2k

40 inch should be decent and practical. People forget about eye strain if most of what your looking at is not on the same plane (constant refocusing for hours is painful).

I have good eyes, near 20/20 but I must say with the 50inch 4k, when I am close enough to comfortably read 10pt text, I'm about 2-3 feet away. This is fine but the edges of the screen are very much farther away than the middle and after 8 hours my eyes are in tatters from refocusing. A very curved OLED etc. screen should improve this however...

I mostly work with 4 USB powered Asus MB168b+ 15.4 *(1920x1080) displays. 3 portrait and one landscape + laptop. Perfect sweet spot for me. the 50 inch now on the wall and just used for "big picture" charts, news etc.

For 2k you can get more than decent, you can get the best. Check out my recent build, final components are near end of thread.

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Mike

I trade 4 assets at the same time CL, BRN, 6E and DX

use 8 charts per asset on 4 different 40 inch LCD tv monitors

so thats 32 charts total on the ninja platform

is it possible to get all these charts on one 40 inch 4K

I don't have a 4k setup but I noticed that one of Amazon.com's Cyber Monday deals is for a 4k bundle. If anyone is currently in the market for one here is the link.

Samsung UN48JU6400 48-Inch 4K TV with Home Theater Bundle $599.00

Interesting thread. I've also been doing research about this lately. After several hours, I ended up ordering the Dell P2415Q 24' Ultra HD 4K Monitor. I paid $409.99 with no shipping or tax from B&H.

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I would discourage anything over 42" for use as a monitor. With the 40", you already have to move your head side-to-side. With three of them, the far left and far right are titled inward so it's not as distracting. But a single 50" display would be a deal breaker for me, I would hate it because you can't read what's on the edges of the screen.

Honestly, 40" 4K is the sweet spot. It's perfect. Smaller than 40 and you need scaling. Bigger than 40 and you can't see the edges.

Mike

do you still think 4k 40in curved would be better than 4k 40in flat? i guess it mostly depends on the setup but lets just say 3 next to each other on the desk like so:

on the desk like so:

BTW, if I take your example literally it would never work. The monitors on the outside must be angled inward pretty substantially, and you must have a very deep desk to make it all work.

Mike

for curved 40in or flat 40in? or both?

Both.

You cannot put them side-by-side. Not even two. It isn't usable, for the same reason that a single 50" isn't usable as a monitor.

Please understand, I am talking about using it as it should be used. Meaning 4K, no scaling, and everything readable. Obviously you can use a 120" projector if you want, as a monitor, but you'll be 20 feet away from it and will have to use ridiculous scaling which entirely defeats the purpose.

You'd be better off with a 24" 1920x1200 display than a 120" projector, when it comes to actually using charts and not watching movies.

Mike

i guess im just having a hard time wrapping my head around it. if the scaling is fine for 1 4k 40in screen right in front of you, why wouldnt it work for 1 on either side of it?

No scaling. Scaling is bad. But if you put them side-by-side without angling the outside monitors inward, you cannot see the edges of the screens on the outside.

How far away is the screen from your nose? For me today it's about 20 inches, mainly because of my desk. It would be better to be about 24 inches, for just a single monitor (directly in front of you).

Easiest way to understand is to take a piece of cardboard and make it the size of the monitor you want to buy. Then play around with it.

Mike

oh sorry, yes there would be an angle to them. not flat. in the picture i posted i was just trying to show 3 in a horizontal line. but you wouldnt need to angle them inward with curved ones right?

Yes. Angling them solves it, just keep in mind you need to have a deep desk. 30" is absolute minimum if you want to put three 40's "side-by-side" (angled). Personally, in the new house, I am wall mounting them with a nice mount I bought on Amazon that lets you get the angle and distance just right on the outside monitors, and creates slightly more usable desk space.

Mike

i wonder which would give the best spacing, curved ones or sidexside angled? also if you were to put two curved ones on the top, but offset like the picture below, would it hold the same curve?

Having had six monitors in a configuration of 3 horizontal, 2 vertical -- I will never do it again. It's terrible. I even had special monitor stands, but it's simply impossible to have both a downward facing angle for the top row, and an inward facing angle for the outside monitors. Doing so creates gaps in the borders.

By having just one horizontal row, you don't have gaps at the borders.

Mike