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4K monitors for trading

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 dstrader 
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I needed another 4K monitor.

End up buying the HP Envy 4K 27" monitor, good price, but few weaknesses. Not glossy, which is my desire, but I couldn't wait anymore for a glossy 4K with the size I wanted (between 27" and 32").

This is the link: https://www.amazon.com/HP-Envy-27-Monitor-USB-C/dp/B01N3YVA0P/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1490367162&sr=8-1&keywords=hp+4k+monitor

Like:
- Decent colors. The monitor images look better than my expensive LG Digital Cinema.
- No dead pixels
- Runs cold
- Very energy efficient. I measured around 30W on a Watt-a-meter, just amazing for a 4K monitor. Must be one of the most efficient monitors out there.

Don't like:
- Advanced Haze is nothing more than a marketing term for a very matte screen. I much prefer glossy, or on the glossy side, but this was very matte. My search for a 4K glossy monitor continues. Someone on the Q&A said that it's not a glossy finish but not a flat matte either. No way! This is very matte. The matte coating is even stronger than my LG 4K monitor. I was hoping at least a bit glossy like some of the 1080p HP monitors, but this is not the case. So, the blacks will look grayish as in most matte monitors. Not good for watching movies, looking at pictures, etc.
- The power supply is a huge brick for such an efficient monitor. Most likely due to the need to charge via the USB-C port. But I wish it was smaller, for 30W even a notebook power supply should be enough.
- Stand: is this a joke? what a terrible design. This monitor sits at 3" from the table and you can't move it up (just tilt). At least has a Vesa mount adapter (you still need to buy the Vesa mount stand), but I wish it was a bit more expensive and allowed for some vertical movement.

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Anyone has this experience ? I connect surface pro 4 to the monitor which resolution is less than surface and the chart is not clear.Don't know if it is better when I connect surface pro 4 to higher resolution monitor.

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Hi all!

Wondering if I could get some advice on 4K monitors. Looking to upgrade from 3x 23" 1080p monitors to 1-2 4K. Either looking at dual 32" 4K or a single 43" (possibly dual in the future) 4K monitors. My desk is 30x60 in so two 32" would fit perfectly but not sure if readability without scaling would be an issue. Thanks all.

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Hi all!

Wondering if I could get some advice on 4K monitors. Looking to upgrade from 3x 23" 1080p monitors to 1-2 4K. Either looking at dual 32" 4K or a single 43" (possibly dual in the future) 4K monitors. My desk is 30x60 in so two 32" would fit perfectly but not sure if readability without scaling would be an issue. Thanks all.

the best thing you can do is go look at them in person, then decide.

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Definitely would be ideal but my local BB or any store for that matter doesn't seem to have them on display

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Hi all!

Wondering if I could get some advice on 4K monitors. Looking to upgrade from 3x 23" 1080p monitors to 1-2 4K. Either looking at dual 32" 4K or a single 43" (possibly dual in the future) 4K monitors. My desk is 30x60 in so two 32" would fit perfectly but not sure if readability without scaling would be an issue. Thanks all.

I have a philips 40" 4k, love it, but I do think the 43" would be at an ideal PPI. I run the monitor at native resolution which is fine for most applications, but that extra size would make it more comfortable.

I don't know about the 32" 4k monitors for that same reason, you would have to run them scaled which I would look at some good QHD monitors instead.

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Hi all!

Wondering if I could get some advice on 4K monitors. Looking to upgrade from 3x 23" 1080p monitors to 1-2 4K. Either looking at dual 32" 4K or a single 43" (possibly dual in the future) 4K monitors. My desk is 30x60 in so two 32" would fit perfectly but not sure if readability without scaling would be an issue. Thanks all.

I have been running a single 43 inch 4K monitor for about a year now, and couldn't be happier. 43 inch gives an ideal pixel pitch, so no scaling required. IMO, anything less than 40 inch 4K would require scaling to be readable.

The Dual 32" 4K monitor idea seems like it would incur unecessary graphics processing overhead because you would be driving 8K of resolution through your graphics card(s), but then scaling up to at least 150% to get a readable pixel pitch and losing most of the screen real estate advantage.

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Thanks for your input guys. 32" 4k definitely needs 125% scaling. Basically gotta decide between 2x 32" at 125% scaling vs a single 43".

I bought the 43" Philips and its huge compares to my triple 23" FHD ones. Although even with the 4k the 16:9 doesn't seem optimal for multiple windows like those ultra wides or two side by side monitors. How do you guys find side by side monitors with the bezel in the middle. I feel like it would be a pain always looking to the left or right instead of forward.

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I guess I'm late to the party but ready to make the jump to 4k. Was about to order a new desktop for prototyping with a GTX1080 and was thinking about getting a Dell 43 Ultra HD 4k Multi Client Monitor | P4317Q instead of my standard 30" monitors but then I saw this...

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Large 4K monitors are an appealing idea but not for me. I sometimes trade by remotely logging into my desktop from the tablet. Remote desktop software like splashtop or teamviewer present the entire desktop on the tablet and they allow switching between the monitors. Even though the tablet is only 8" (for convenience) viewing the entire desktop on it is not bad at all. With a large 4K screen, I would be panning and zooming all the time.

One of things I plan to do with this is run batch jobs, and some larger machine learning problems. As such I envisage I will use my laptop to remotely config and run these jobs in the evening etc. But the idea of panning and zooming a 4k screen on a laptop doesn't sound attractive. But then I saw

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NVIDIA has a software called nView Desktop Manager. I use that to create 4 virtual desktops on 1 monitor. Most applications can be dragged using the title bar and snapped into a pseudo maximized state in any quadrant. You also have the option of having nView buttons show up on the title bars of all applications. These are similar to windows minimize, maximize, close buttons. I have found that a couple of programs do not recognize nView so its not flawless. If you use something like Trillian, it will still try and snap to the entire height of the monitor and will not honor nNiew.

You can find out more about nView here: nView Desktop Management Software from NVIDIA|NVIDIA.

Which implies I can create different virtual desktops and would just use a different one for remoting in verses sat at computer.

Anybody have any thoughts or opinions on remoting into a 4k desktop (or the dell monitor itself)

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@SMCJB

I remote desktop all the time into my 4K monitors. I use RDC from a 4K notebook (the best notebook for this I found is the HP Spectre X360 15" 4K). You will hv issues with Teamviewer. You may need to adjust your notebook resolution with Windows RDC if you don't have good eyes or use at least a 15" notebook. (You need Windows 10 Pro for RDC btw).

This is what I learned (and again, when it comes to monitors a lot is a question of personal preference):

- Never mix different resolutions and sizes of monitors (and brands). I have 4 monitors: 3 4K (one is a digital cinema so not the standard 4k) and 1 2560x1440. All different sizes. It's a total pain, each monitor has its own settings and controls and behave different as I move windows/charts from one monitor to another. I bought them not at the same time otherwise I would probably have bought all the same.

- I quickly gave up using included monitor/graphics card software to divide the screen into quadrants, halves, etc. Again, it was a pain, mainly when you have several monitors. And each software had its own specific behaviors and limitations. Now I use each monitor as I used to do with the old 1080s. I run each trading software in each monitor and distribute the windows as I wish. Much easier management every day. And mostly everything is in the same place when you boot up and start each software (and if not, with minimal adjustments you can organize everything).


- I found 32" to be the best size for 4k monitors. Because of the previous point (I use the entire space of each monitor), with 32" I don't need my eyes to travel too much, and also things are not too small. 28" would also work. Some people with a lot of desk space my prefer the 43", but again, if you run 'one space' per monitor (previous point), 43" may be too big for some (it's for me).

- Have one monitor be your main monitor right in front of you. This monitor should be where your eyes will be looking straight the most during the day. A 3 monitor setup is ideal, one monitor right in front of you, and one monitor on each side. You don't want a 2 monitor set up and face the bezel and have your head turned to one monitor or the other all day long (I started to have neck pain with this set up in the past).

As I said 4K is ideal for trading until we have OLED 8K monitors at reasonable prices. You will never go back. My son's 1080 monitor looks awkward and seems to lack a lot of space now. I'm considering getting rid of all my monitors and ordering 3 4K of the same brand and 32" size. I much prefer glossy, but I can't find any, once a glossy 4K 32" monitor comes up I will probably pull the trigger.

That's my 2c... would love to hear lessons learned from others.

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