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  #191 (permalink)
 Trailer Guy 
Aguanga, CA USA
 
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It's off-topic and I shouldn't be writing it probably, but I have wondered about the "Trailer Guy" username and now I know. I think it's very cool.

I'm never going to do it, because I like having more space, but I have often thought about the idea (and liked it) of the freedom of living in a trailer and just getting up and going where I wanted to, when I wanted to. Like I said, I'm not going to, but it's part of the romance of the open road for me....

Well, back in reality, I don't want to hijack this thread (any more than necessary ), but I'm glad to have read your post, just to have gotten the part about your Airstream.

I do hope you get a monitor you like, to get back to the thread....

Bob.

Bob, it is a disease called aluminitis. Makes you pay double or more for less space with the same stuff on the inside. But all that hand riveted aircraft aluminum will last a lot longer than we will.

We have been camped out in the same spot for 35 years. Our kids owe us big time for moving into something less than a tenth the size. Can't believe all the stuff we are getting rid of, finally. We will eventually build a new place up in the Idaho mountains which you would know as the Northern Rockies, but there is a housing shortage like you would expect in a resort area late cycle. Also 4 foot of snow on the ground all winter made me think we really need to be able to enjoy Palm Springs in the winter.

I have not priced out a new build in a while. Blows me away that I would need a $500 video card to match the load with a $200 processor. Glad I don't play current games. Ninja 8 dedicates a processor thread to each chart so based on your past comments of running 30 or 40 charts you would need the higher end processors if you switch back

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  #192 (permalink)
 jta3 
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After some lightning strike, my Philips 40" broke down. So I get a new Philips 43" 4K BDM4350UC/00.
I need one big screen. Can't live without it.

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Snowtiger
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I currently have a one 4k and 5 HD monitors+laptop.

Each has advantages/disadvantages. You can tilt the standard monitors. But you have bezel hassles and lots of extra plugs. GPUs seem to be moving towards less ports but all at 4k. So I can see myself stuck with lots of standard monitors unfortunately at some point!

My 4k is 43' and set on a desk to my left. The 5 other monitors are 21.5' @ 1920 resolution(set 2 x 2) infront of me, with a 22' 1280 resolution to my left. I'm thinking of adding in a 4K or more in the future.

I wonder what size 4k monitors I should buy. Some people say 32' @4k is the optimal, with 2 or more monitors set very close to you. Others say text is too small on 32' 4k monitors and that you need scaling which loses a lot of the resolution. My 43' 4 works great because its a little distance to my left. But 2 x 43' @4k right infront of me might be too big and leave me stretching across the desk a lot.

My suspicion is that 2 x 37' @4k infront of me with the older monitors dotted around might be a good compromise solution?

Would be interested to hear others experiences on the 4k monitor size dilemna.

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 sdp1969 
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Hello,

Before i go into my observations. I should mention that I have a 2018 MacBook pro retina with 32Gb ram and access windows via parallels desktop emulation to trade with NT8.

I have tried buying the BIG 50+ inch 4K TVs but honestly the refresh rate, response times and having SUCH a large screen with SO many charts was a significant detractor.

I then went to a newer 43 inch 4K TV with improved specs and felt that it was fine but I would not go any bigger.

I also have a 32 inch 4K computer monitor and it works just fine.

Thirdly I have a 27 inch non 4K thunderbolt display that works fine as well.

So I have three different displays of three different sizes and two different resolutions and they work fine with my current set up and NT8.

My current 2018 15 inch MacBook pro can output max two 4k displays.

The new 2019 16 inch MacBook pro and output max four 4K displays.

I plan on keeping my 43 inch and adding another 32 inch.

Hope this helps,

Steven

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 chingus 
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I am planning to get the New MacBook 16 with 32GB ram as well. Looking for suggestions as well for 4K monitor as well.


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 iq200 
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sdp1969 View Post
Hello,



Before i go into my observations. I should mention that I have a 2018 MacBook pro retina with 32Gb ram and access windows via parallels desktop emulation to trade with NT8.



I have tried buying the BIG 50+ inch 4K TVs but honestly the refresh rate, response times and having SUCH a large screen with SO many charts was a significant detractor.



I then went to a newer 43 inch 4K TV with improved specs and felt that it was fine but I would not go any bigger.



I also have a 32 inch 4K computer monitor and it works just fine.



Thirdly I have a 27 inch non 4K thunderbolt display that works fine as well.



So I have three different displays of three different sizes and two different resolutions and they work fine with my current set up and NT8.



My current 2018 15 inch MacBook pro can output max two 4k displays.



The new 2019 16 inch MacBook pro and output max four 4K displays.



I plan on keeping my 43 inch and adding another 32 inch.



Hope this helps,



Steven



If you buy cheap TVs you will get bad screen output. I got high end Sony TVs and I’m happy! If you want real screen performance go for OLED.

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 f1p0pt10ns 
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Not necessary for me to have 4k and I do not think it will make me a better trader but I am only trading CL and do not plan on trading multiple instruments (at least not any time soon). I would however like to have all my charts visible at once so I do not have to continually switch tabs. I only have 4 tabs and may add a 5th for market depth. I am looking at getting a Sceptre C355W-3440UN 35 Inch Super Curved Ultrawide - any input on Ultrawide monitors serving this purpose?

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trade2getrich
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I don't understand why somebody need to have 4K monitor for trading. I trade on my laptop, and mobile phone, and I think that I wouldn't have any better results if I would use 4 K monitor.

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 xylphonse 
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While I have a 4K monitor, I've been thinking the same thing. I've recently actually taken my laptop out of the dock and just used the laptop monitor in the backyard or another room. Reducing all the signals actually has helped me focus on what I really want to. But I guess it depends on the style of trading and if the system relies on more information.

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sdp1969 View Post
I have tried buying the BIG 50+ inch 4K TVs but honestly the refresh rate, response times and having SUCH a large screen with SO many charts was a significant detractor.


sdp1969 View Post
If you buy cheap TVs you will get bad screen output. I got high end Sony TVs and I’m happy! If you want real screen performance go for OLED.

As somebody who just went through the journey of picking a TV for my main monitor, I want to share my experience. I was very worried about input lag and blurry text so
I spent a lot of time reading reviews / comparing specs. OLEDs are perfect for monitors but LCD screens are almost as good. Here's the summary:

input delay / response time
It is true that TVs have a higher response time than monitors. If you connect your PC / laptop to an older TV you'll notice that mouse movements & webpage scrolling is choppy. While monitor manufacturers aim for 1-5ms response times, TVs are usually have ~100ms response times.

There is a way to solve that though. If you're not the type of person who enjoys looking at spec sheets, just google "top 10 TVs to use as PC monitors 2020" and you'll get decent results. I recommend the comparisons that rtings.com publishes

If you'd rather do your own research, here's what you should look for in order of importance:
  • game mode / monitor mode
  • response time at 4:4:4 chroma
  • avg response time
  • input delay

Odds are as long as the TV supports game mode / monitor mode, it'll be a good fit. What game mode does is it disables all the additional processing that TVs do to "improve" the image. Things like added smoothing for more gradual movements, improved HDR and a whole bunch of extra functions that are great when you're using the TV for movies, but useless (and even bad) when you use your TV as a monitor.

color compression
The last important point is to make sure that the TV supports 4:4:4 chroma. A 4:4:4 color profile means that the color data is not compressed at all, so you can be sure that sharp lines and text will render properly. This is often a setting (not turned on by default). I use a Samsung TV from 2019, the 4:4:4 chroma setting is not accessible in the menu, but it's turned on by default if I switch game mode on.

comparing TVs
After you've gone through a few of the options you're considering you can use the RTings comparison table to narrow down your choice. Select the models you're considering and pick PC Monitor from the "main differences" dropdown. The table will sort all differences by importance with things like input delay & color compression towards the top of the list.


How to effectively use a larger screen
After you've made the decision and you've got a big TV for you main or only monitor, make sure to spend some time optimizing the way you use a larger screen.
The first thing I noticed is that I stopped using alt + tab, as I had enough space for all windows which is a great convenience.

Whenever I need to use more windows than I can fit on my screen, I use virtual desktops - here's a beginner tutorial for Windows 10.

A lot of linux DE offer this feature as well, I've been using that in a different form for more than a decade.

Virtual desktops are great because they allow you to arrange your charts / DOMs / newsfeeds and the easily switch between groups. Personally I have 1 desktop for equities + bonds and another for currencies. I'd have to press alt+tab 10 times to switch between all windows but with virtual desktops it's just a single shortcut.

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