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I'm just updating my 4x21inch monitors and was referred here. I like the idea of 1 screen, very much.

If one was to source a 40inch 4K LED Smart TV are there features that should be avoided and 'a must have'. What I'm really alluding to here is; are there features in TV screens that will inhibit you (more that monitors), over time, while trading 8-odd hours a day [and only trading - no games or TV/movies]?.

And/or any suggestions on good value 40in 4K TVs that you guys would recommend?

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I got the Philips BDM4065 40" 4K monitor yesterday. Set it up with my existing Radeon R9 270 using DP 1.2 @60 Hz. The AMD Catalyst Control center software, up until last year, had a feature called HydraVision (HydraGrid) that enabled desktop management. It allowed creating virtual desktops so my goal was to create 4 virtual desktops so that I have an equivalent of the look and feel of 4 individual 1920x1080 monitors. I was surprised to find that HydraVision has been discontinued and has achieved EOL. I could install an older version and get HydraVision to work but I do not want to depend on something that has no more support from AMD. AMD has focused on Eyefinity since which is geared more towards gaming and combining many displays to work as one but there are no desktop management features in the newer versions of their software.

So, after spending the majority of the day researching, I found that NVIDIA's quadro and NVS lines come with their nView sortware that basically does what I am looking for. I will either buy the NVS 810 or 510 once I verify they can support DP 1.2 @ 60 Hz and try to set this up. My ultimate goal is to have 2 or possibly 3 of these monitors which basically would be an equivalent of having 8-12 virtual 1920x1080 desktops.

Will post pictures once its all setup.

Ordered another one of these monitors. After a lot of research and a phone conversation with NVIDIA support, I went with the NVIDIA Quaddro K1200 (https://images.nvidia.com/content/pdf/quadro/data-sheets/14415_DS_NV_Quadro_K1200_NOV15_US_NV_FNL_HR.pdf). This one comes with 4 mini-DP ports each capable of supporting DP 1.2, 3840x2160 @ 60 Hz. I also researched the correct cables to buy and found these Amazon.com: Accell B143B-007J UltraAV Mini DisplayPort to DisplayPort 1.2 Cable with Latch, White, 6.6-Feet: Electronics. These have been certified at the displayport.org. These are 2m (6.6 ft) long and I had to rearrange the position of my workstation so that the cables reach the back of the case. Ideally, I would have loved to have a 10 ft cable and though there are a couple of them available, I am not sure if they will truly support DP 1.2 because the length of the cable might be too long.

The nView desktop manager worked as expected and now I have the equivalent of 8 monitors and I do not need to turn my head around to view all of them.

This is what the monitors look like:



For comparison, this is a picture of the NVIDIA Quaddro vs the 2 massive AMD cards I was using (an R9 270 and an HD7770) to run 6 monitors.




Rarely do things go from inception to implementation perfectly. This was one of those things, went smoothly without problems and works as anticipated. Very happy with the setup.

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Quick question: how is the noisy level of the NVIDIA K1200? Can you hear the card fan while seating at your desk?

Another question, which software are you using to divide the screen on 4 smaller areas (like 4 monitors). If I had to resize them all the time would drive me crazy, that's the advantage of having multiple monitors, I can maximize, only on that monitor.

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New Egg has the Seiki Pro SM40UNP 40.0-Inch 4K LED-Lit Monitor on sale until Wednesday 1-20-16 for anyone currently in the market for a 40" 4K monitor. Seiki Pro SM40UNP 40.0-Inch 4K LED-Lit Monitor ? NeweggFlash.com

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Quick question: how is the noisy level of the NVIDIA K1200? Can you hear the card fan while seating at your desk?

Another question, which software are you using to divide the screen on 4 smaller areas (like 4 monitors). If I had to resize them all the time would drive me crazy, that's the advantage of having multiple monitors, I can maximize, only on that monitor.

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I can hear a fan or fans but I cannot tell if it is the graphics card. The noise level from before when I had 2 AMD cards and now hasn't changed so its most likely not the graphics card but I cannot be certain. I have a custom build and one of those bigger cases with 4 fans and I think that these fans are the ones making the noise. It does not bother me though.

NVIDIA has a software called nView Desktop Manager. I use that to create 4 virtual desktops on 1 monitor. Most applications can be dragged using the title bar and snapped into a pseudo maximized state in any quadrant. You also have the option of having nView buttons show up on the title bars of all applications. These are similar to windows minimize, maximize, close buttons. I have found that a couple of programs do not recognize nView so its not flawless. If you use something like Trillian, it will still try and snap to the entire height of the monitor and will not honor nNiew.

You can find out more about nView here: nView Desktop Management Software from NVIDIA|NVIDIA.

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I can hear a fan or fans but I cannot tell if it is the graphics card. The noise level from before when I had 2 AMD cards and now hasn't changed so its most likely not the graphics card but I cannot be certain. I have a custom build and one of those bigger cases with 4 fans and I think that these fans are the ones making the noise. It does not bother me though.

NVIDIA has a software called nView Desktop Manager. I use that to create 4 virtual desktops on 1 monitor. Most applications can be dragged using the title bar and snapped into a pseudo maximized state in any quadrant. You also have the option of having nView buttons show up on the title bars of all applications. These are similar to windows minimize, maximize, close buttons. I have found that a couple of programs do not recognize nView so its not flawless. If you use something like Trillian, it will still try and snap to the entire height of the monitor and will not honor nNiew.

You can find out more about nView here: nView Desktop Management Software from NVIDIA|NVIDIA.

you can also try something like displayfusion to do something similar. https://www.displayfusion.com/

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Hulk,
Quick question: how is the noisy level of the NVIDIA K1200? Can you hear the card fan while seating at your desk?

Another question, which software are you using to divide the screen on 4 smaller areas (like 4 monitors). If I had to resize them all the time would drive me crazy, that's the advantage of having multiple monitors, I can maximize, only on that monitor.

Thanks

OK, after a week, I am noticing a constant whine and it is becoming annoying. I dont believe I had this before so at this point, I can confirm that it is the GPU card. It is possible that this GPU card draws more power and causes the PSU to generate the whine, I am not sure. I downloaded Open Hardware Monitor and I can see that while the GPU fan speed changes, the whine does not so maybe it is the PSU. I should have researched this before but I had no idea at the time. I will try replacing my PSU and if that does not work then I will have to replace the K1200 with something better. Until then, my bose headphones are my best friend.

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It's most likely your PSU I would think, because look at how PNY describes the K1200:

" Ultra-Quiet Design Near silent cooling design enables lower acoustics for an ultra-quiet desktop environment - See more at: https://www.pny.com/nvidia-quadro-k1200-displayport "

https://www.pny.com/nvidia-quadro-k1200-displayport

Please, let me know if you find the source because the K1200 is in my list for my next build.

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Might be coil whine. Here's a video about it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HP73edpQwgc

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It's most likely your PSU I would think, because look at how PNY describes the K1200:

" Ultra-Quiet Design Near silent cooling design enables lower acoustics for an ultra-quiet desktop environment - See more at: https://www.pny.com/nvidia-quadro-k1200-displayport "

https://www.pny.com/nvidia-quadro-k1200-displayport

Please, let me know if you find the source because the K1200 is in my list for my next build.

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Might be coil whine. Here's a video about it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HP73edpQwgc

Guys, it was a hard drive going bad that was causing that whine/noise. It drove me nuts trying to troubleshoot it. I changed my PSU and my CPU cooler in the process but I finally did figure it out. The machine is running really quiet now even under load.

On the 4K front, I now have 2 machines connected to my 2 Philips 40" 4K monitors using both the DP and mini-DP ports. I needed to separate my development machine from my trading machine so decided to go for another AMD build. For the new build, I am using EVGA's version of the GTX 960. I called EVGA to verify that it would support 2 4K monitors at 60 Hz and they confirmed that it will support 4. This card uses 3 DP 1.2 ports and 1 HDMI 2.0 to support this - max refresh rate is 240 Hz.

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Dell now offers a 43" display with IPS and 104 PPI.
Dell Multi-Client Monitor | P4317Q

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Dell now offers a 43" display with IPS and 104 PPI.

HDMI 1.4

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Hi, all

I wonder if I may seek your feedback on using a 40" 4k TV as a monitor purely for trading.

I understand that the latency for most such LCD TVs is noticeably worse than that of a 4k monitor. However, is this shortcoming acceptable for someone viewing 5-min and 15-min futures charts and trading on a discretionary basis?

For example, will the inferior lag be a huge disadvantage during, for instance, a price spike?

Thanks in advance for any input.

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Philips has a new 43" follow up to previous 40" 4K brilliance display: Philips BDM4350UC, HDMI 2.0.

It currently runs around $800 on Amazon. I got one and it is really nice. Similar to the 40", it is really big, so multiple monitors may be a challenge.

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Hi, all

I wonder if I may seek your feedback on using a 40" 4k TV as a monitor purely for trading.

I understand that the latency for most such LCD TVs is noticeably worse than that of a 4k monitor. However, is this shortcoming acceptable for someone viewing 5-min and 15-min futures charts and trading on a discretionary basis?

For example, will the inferior lag be a huge disadvantage during, for instance, a price spike?

Thanks in advance for any input.

The difference is say between 26ms for many HDTVs and around 40ms for some 4k?

The default Ninjatrader 7 the chart update interval is 500ms (I set it to 100-200ms on some very fast tick charts) but for practical purposes any 4k will be just fine for trading.

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My estimate for how deep your desk need to be "40 Minitor ASM Desk.gif"


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@jta3, are you suggesting I need to be 70cm from the outer edge of the monitors (in my chair)? That seems extreme. ...


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I don't mind turning my head..

Jta3 did some wonderful work in Autocad. I also ran my calculations for the optimal desk size, and I found similar numbers in terms of width. The depth question is more difficult. Also because the standard desk size in Europe is 180x80cm. And Jta3 suggests getting at least a 100cm deep desk, translating in a 200x100 desk.

I wonder, is the 70cm distance from the monitors really necessary? BM, did you upgrade your desk? What's your distance?

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Jta3 did some wonderful work in Autocad. I also ran my calculations for the optimal desk size, and I found similar numbers in terms of width. The depth question is more difficult. Also because the standard desk size in Europe is 180x80cm. And Jta3 suggests getting at least a 100cm deep desk, translating in a 200x100 desk.

I wonder, is the 70cm distance from the monitors really necessary? BM, did you upgrade your desk? What's your distance?

You forget the stand.
I have 2 Samsungs curve 40" UHD (near to perfect stands, the tv's have just 1 stand which is balanced in the middle, so i can have them both nicely in a corner of my (large) desk.

But for example some LG models have really bad stands, those Tv's have 2 small stands on each corner of the TV, where you need a lot of extra table space to place them. (or you have to hang them....)

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I have 55 inch 4K monitors. I sit back approximately 110 cm from the center of the monitor. If I was any closer than that it would be like sitting in the front row of a movie theater, you don't get to see the whole picture.

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Jta3 did some wonderful work in Autocad. I also ran my calculations for the optimal desk size, and I found similar numbers in terms of width. The depth question is more difficult. Also because the standard desk size in Europe is 180x80cm. And Jta3 suggests getting at least a 100cm deep desk, translating in a 200x100 desk.

I wonder, is the 70cm distance from the monitors really necessary? BM, did you upgrade your desk? What's your distance?

Autocad is so yesterday.

New Philips 43" 4K monitor.

https://pcmonitors.info/reviews/philips-bdm4350uc/

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Just to be clear; the setup Jta3 and now I am referring to is a dual 40 inch setup. I am thinking of getting the Phillips bdm4065uc, one now. And maybe another one, if I like it. Perhaps its more prudent to just get the monitors first and see if my desk is enough, at 80 cm deep.

@ schroedray: That's massive! 4.20 meters. But I understand you need more distance the bigger your screens get.

@ mokum: I think Jta3 included the desk size in his original post. I can't seem to link to images, but if you go back to page 3 you can see his drawing. Good point though, the stand shouldn't be forgotten.

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Autocad is so yesterday.

New Philips 43" 4K monitor.

Hey Jta3,

Autocad used to be the shiznit .

I still think the 40" Phillips screen makes more sense because it gives you a higher PPI. Around ~110 is highly okay. I have a 27" at 110ppi and don't want to go down. It also makes everything more complicated, because you need to get an even bigger desk to support a 43" screen.

@jta3, how do you come up with the 70cm distance? Did you take into account how far the typical human being can look left-to-right without turning your head? Or did you guesstimate, based on you current setup?

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Hey Jta3,

Autocad used to be the shiznit .

I still think the 40" Phillips screen makes more sense because it gives you a higher PPI. Around ~110 is highly okay. I have a 27" at 110ppi and don't want to go down. It also makes everything more complicated, because you need to get an even bigger desk to support a 43" screen.

@jta3, how do you come up with the 70cm distance? Did you take into account how far the typical human being can look left-to-right without turning your head? Or did you guesstimate, based on you current setup?

70Cm seems to be a nice distance with two 40".
I use one 40" as primary, and it is just the right thing for one big chart or several minor chart.
My graphics card can do 4x4K.

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Just to be clear; the setup Jta3 and now I am referring to is a dual 40 inch setup. I am thinking of getting the Phillips bdm4065uc, one now. And maybe another one, if I like it. Perhaps its more prudent to just get the monitors first and see if my desk is enough, at 80 cm deep.

@ schroedray: That's massive! 4.20 meters. But I understand you need more distance the bigger your screens get.

@ mokum: I think Jta3 included the desk size in his original post. I can't seem to link to images, but if you go back to page 3 you can see his drawing. Good point though, the stand shouldn't be forgotten.



Sorry about that it should be 110 cm I was looking at the ?? scale. (You know us americans and the metric system...)

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Autocad is so yesterday.

New Philips 43" 4K monitor.

https://pcmonitors.info/reviews/philips-bdm4350uc/


Thats a nice monitor, its hard to find 4K with dp 1.2 and you really need them.

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The Philips 43" would be my monitor of choice if I had enough space in my cabinet (I use a custom cabinet enclosure so I can hide all my 'stuff' in my office). I'm considering getting hid of my cabinet (which I love btw) just because of this monitor.

I'm currently using a LG 31MU97C-B and considering getting a second one. I'm holding back because I'm not really happy with the heat it generates and the fact that it's not glossy which I much prefer (the Philips is the only 4K glossy that I could find).

Btw, it seems that 4K was made for trading. After using a 4K monitor for a while I can't get used to my old 1080p monitor that I have in another location. 4K truly rocks for trading!

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That's great info!

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Potential buyers of the Philips BDM4065UC should know that the screen uses PWM; and this causes problems. It's close sibling, the Iiyama ProLite X4071UHSU-B1, has similar issues. This can be read here on hardforum. For those who don't know about PWM, its something that starts to show up when you reduce the brightness of the monitor. There are videos on youtube which show you the PWM effect.

If you can accept a slightly lower PPI and a slightly larger screen, the new 43" Philips 4K display might be the one you are after. (Thanks jta3.) The new Philips BDM4350UC does not use PWM.


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The Philips BDM4350UC does not use PWM (Pulse Width Modulation) at any brightness level and instead uses DC (Direct Current) to regulate brightness. The backlight is therefore considered flicker-free, as advertised by Philips. This will come as welcome news to those worried about visual fatigue or other side-effects of PWM usage or are otherwise sensitive to flicker.

Quote from Pc Monitors review.


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The Iiyama ProLite X4071UHSU-B1 monitor is not aimed at the desktop, but at the PID market and the requirements specific to that market. (PID Public Information Display.)

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I do think it would be problematic having them in an angled multi-display setup. Unless you have a window only behind the monitors (which goes with its own problems), you'll capture some direct light from windows behind or to the side of you.

Quote from PC Monitors Youtube Review.

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Making good large panels seems to be really difficult. Many displays have issues when you really start to look into it. Likely this will get better as technology improves and we have more choice. Ideally you want to have an IPS panel, with little input lag, 120HZ and no PWM, and probably not a glossy display. As of June 2016, there is not a single 4K 40" monitor that is perfect.

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Hi,
Just wondering if there were any updates on the BDM4350UC 43" vs the 4065 40"

Looking at getting the 2 x 43" with a 1060gtx

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Hi,
Just wondering if there were any updates on the BDM4350UC 43" vs the 4065 40"

Looking at getting the 2 x 43" with a 1060gtx

I run with the 40 and 43 side by side. Both are nice, but the 43 is the better monitor. Brighter, clearer, and better colors. I had to extend the depth of my desk to get it far enough away from me, but it was worth it.

2x43 and 1060 would be really nice set up.

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Just set up a new Samsung Curved 43-Inch 4K Ultra HD TV to replace a two monitor setup. So far, so good.
But I'm having difficulty sizing the two charts I trade from plus my JigSaw Dom on the same screen. Also wondering about
connecting the computer to another HD port on the monitor/TV? What about window management software?

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So with the 43 inch Philips do you need to upgrade the graphic card? If so what do you need? Thanks

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No, I run using the internal graphics on the Intel processor (i7-6700). You do not need a powerhouse to display charts.

I actually drive two 4K monitors from the processor, directly thru the motherboard with no graphics card.

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I had problems with the i7-6700K driving the 4K monitor. Maybe they fixed the problems with the driver, but it wasn't compatible with my LG 31MU97-B.

I bought the NVIDIA Quadro K1200. Excellent product, good performance without requiring a new PSU (it drives only 45W max) and can run 4 x 4K monitors. It also comes with a monitor management software which I like.

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6x 4k, works fine on 2x GTX 1070 :


What monitors are those? Are they turned sideways? If so, how do you rotate the your images?

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What monitors are those? Are they turned sideways? If so, how do you rotate the your images?

They are philips, they can be turned with the standard feet.
In windows you then rotate and expand your desktop...

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They are philips, they can be turned with the standard feet.
In windows you then rotate and expand your desktop...

Very nice!

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What monitors are those? Are they turned sideways? If so, how do you rotate the your images?

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What monitors are those? Are they turned sideways? If so, how do you rotate the your images?

Can you let me know which Philips model?

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Can you let me know which Philips model?

these are the Philips 288P6LJEB
405 (inc VAT 21%)
here in israel, they are more expensive 2285 NIS (inc Tax) (35% more expensive)

i also have and older configuration with 6 X 272P4QPJKEB
which i then paid more expensive in 2014 : 484 (inc VAT 21%)

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I really like this LG 32" IPS monitor. $199.99 each at Amazon.
https://www.amazon.com/LG-32MA68HY-P-32-Inch-Monitor-Display/dp/B01IA9FXAO

It's 1080P, excellent picture, screen is perfectly visible for 180 degrees. Four of these are the equivalent of one 64" 4k monitor... except for 2 things.

It's way less expensive, and if one monitor goes out, you can still trade using the other 3.

It has DisplayPort, HDMI and usb inputs. I'm running a 4 port Nvidia NVS 510 card, which has worked perfectly with any monitor I've connected. The ports are mini-DisplayPort connections.

However, I understand that with some usb 3.0 to other format adapters, we can run multiple monitors without a special card at all, if we have plenty of system ram. I've heard of up to 11 monitors run from a single computer that way. Haven't actually tried it myself though.

From my experience, these LG monitors are the very best option for having the most screen area for the lowest price, and great quality to boot. By the way, I've also used TV monitors, and although they work and give a big screen, they are nothing like a computer monitor of the same size. Some TV's are promoted as being monitors too, but don't be lured into buying one. They don't compare.

For what it's worth, I also invested $35 in a gaming mouse. It's a Redragon Perdition mouse. I could not go back to a regular mouse again.

This mouse is very sensitive, and it can be adjusted to speed, or precision, and I can switch from one to the other with the touch of a button - in fact, I can have 5 different choices, plus the ability to define exactly what each one is.

With mine, I can go to the speed setting, and go from once corner of my 64" of monitors to the other corner in 2" of mouse travel, instantly. Then I can hit the precision setting and zero right in on placing a trendline on a very compacted ES tick chart with tiny little tails. In addition there are 12 programmable buttons on the side. Each can be set as a hotkey, either singular, like F4 for drawing my trendline in NT, or a combination of keys, like ctrl-alt-9. Takes a while to get used to them, but those buttons save me hundreds, if not thousands of mouse clicks a day during trading hours.

One of the reasons for buying the mouse was just to get the software program that allows the mouse to be completely configurable to exactly my needs. There is much more, but these are the basics. I never even dreamed the mouse could make that much difference, but especially for anyone going to the bigger screens, please consider getting a mouse with similar characteristics.

A good mouse pad is also a must to take advantage of the precision available.

Hope this helps someone out there.

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1080p became popular around 10 years ago, so no wonder you can get these monitors almost free these days.

I would order both a 1080p and a 4k and return the one you don't like. After using a 4k for a week I bet you will return your 1080p if you are doing some serious trading and running several platforms and charts like most traders.

After using 4k monitors for months now, 1080p seems even inadequate for trading. I can put and see so much more in a 4k monitor. It's amazing...

Can't wait for 8k OLED monitos to become a standard (and cheap).

Of course, we are discussing personal preferences here. So, if you feel strong about 1080p go for it... I'm not gonna fight you here. Just wanted to give you an opinion of someone that has used both.

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1080p became popular around 10 years ago, so no wonder you can get these monitors almost free these days.

I would order both a 1080p and a 4k and return the one you don't like. After using a 4k for a week I bet you will return your 1080p if you are doing some serious trading and running several platforms and charts like most traders.

After using 4k monitors for months now, 1080p seems even inadequate for trading. I can put and see so much more in a 4k monitor. It's amazing...

Can't wait for 8k OLED monitos to become a standard (and cheap).

Of course, we are discussing personal preferences here. So, if you feel strong about 1080p go for it... I'm not gonna fight you here. Just wanted to give you an opinion of someone that has used both.



I'm trying the quote / reply for the first time - please forgive me if it doesn't work correctly.

I agree with you that 4k is better, but the idea of using 4 of the 32" monitors is that you end up with the equivalent of a single 64" monitor that is 4K.

If you take a 64" monitor that is 4k and divide it into fourths, each fourth is 1080p.

So if you use 4 of the 32" to make one 64" (diagonal measurement) you have exactly the same number of pixels as the 4k 64". Exactly the same resolution, clarity, etc.

The only difference is that instead of spending many thousands of dollars, you are spending $800, plus you have redundancy.

I just looked on amazon.com - they show 65" 4k monitors for sale - one was about $2,000, the rest range from $5,000 to $8,000.

Do not make the mistake of getting a 65" TV / monitor - they are made differently and don't have nearly the display quality of a computer monitor.

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I have become obsessed with the idea of getting one of these.

I just wish Mac Mini had the graphics horsepower to handle one.

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Hello, I am interested in upgrading to a set of 4k monitors but first I need to upgrade my video card to 4k. Has anyone recently purchased a new 4k capable card? Looking for some opinions please. Thanks

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Hello, I am interested in upgrading to a set of 4k monitors but first I need to upgrade my video card to 4k. Has anyone recently purchased a new 4k capable card? Looking for some opinions please. Thanks

I Guess there are two way to go.

1. If you want a gaming card with the latest options.
Then https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/geforce/10-series/
Typical these card can also use HDMI for 4K TV

2. If you want some lower power consumptions for 4K Monitors.
Then FirePro? W5100 Workstation Graphics Cards | AMD

My opinion is use monitor bigger or equal 40" for 4K. Like 4K Ultra HD LCD display BDM4350UC/75 | Philips

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thanks for the info. So in your opinion one of the lower power consumption cards would be ok for the 43 inch monitor. I am not interested in gaming at all .

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thanks for the info. So in your opinion one of the lower power consumption cards would be ok for the 43 inch monitor. I am not interested in gaming at all .



Nvidia Quadro K1200 runs super quiet, low consumption (45W), great performance and can run 4 4K monitors. Perfect for trading.

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thanks for the info. So in your opinion one of the lower power consumption cards would be ok for the 43 inch monitor. I am not interested in gaming at all .

Yes it will work.
Just remember to check your PCI version on motherboard

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I don't think i would like 4K trading. Your eyes would be getting tired too quickly

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I was just in the Apple store yesterday and I saw this beautiful monitor:

LG UltraFine 5K Display - Apple

The images were unbelievably crisp. Nice, super bright, glossy monitor that I've been looking for, but it uses Thunderbolt 3.

Is there a way to run those on a PC? Someone knows? Any limitations? I did some quick search for Thunderbolt 3 graphics card, but couldn't find any good info.

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I was just in the Apple store yesterday and I saw this beautiful monitor:

LG UltraFine 5K Display - Apple

The images were unbelievably crisp. Nice, super bright, glossy monitor that I've been looking for, but it uses Thunderbolt 3.

Is there a way to run those on a PC? Someone knows? Any limitations? I did some quick search for Thunderbolt 3 graphics card, but couldn't find any good info.

I have a 28" 4K monitor. I think it's too small for text.
32" at 2560x1440 is okay.
40" for 4K or greater
5K around 50"+
8K 60"+

With picture and video is another case with high resolution.

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I have a 28" 4K monitor. I think it's too small for text.
32" at 2560x1440 is okay.
40" for 4K or greater
5K around 50"+
8K 60"+

With picture and video is another case with high resolution.

I beg to disagree, I use LG Digital Cinema 31" monitors (4096 x 2160), you can always adjust the fonts. I like the LG but it runs hot and the colors look washed out because of the matte screen.
I'm looking for nice 'retina type' and glossy displays. Again, a personal preference. I still love my old 1080p HP monitor that is glossy. I found that with the brightness of modern monitors, glossy reflections are not as bad, and the sharpness of the images are great.

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Thunderbolt was planned to come to PC as well.

Check the thunderbolttechnology blog for what motherboards support it or peripherals.

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I beg to disagree, I use LG Digital Cinema 31" monitors (4096 x 2160), you can always adjust the fonts. I like the LG but it runs hot and the colors look washed out because of the matte screen.
I'm looking for nice 'retina type' and glossy displays. Again, a personal preference. I still love my old 1080p HP monitor that is glossy. I found that with the brightness of modern monitors, glossy reflections are not as bad, and the sharpness of the images are great.

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I was just in the Apple store yesterday and I saw this beautiful monitor:

LG UltraFine 5K Display - Apple

The images were unbelievably crisp. Nice, super bright, glossy monitor that I've been looking for, but it uses Thunderbolt 3.

Is there a way to run those on a PC? Someone knows? Any limitations? I did some quick search for Thunderbolt 3 graphics card, but couldn't find any good info.

I think a card like this will work for you, costs around $60. : https://www.asus.com/us/Motherboard-Accessory/ThunderboltEX-3/

With the caveats that I merely googled around a bit, and as others have said it may or may not be good for trading.

I'd check with Apple to see if they support such a configuration, or at least what their return policy is!

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I saw that, not sure if that would work. You would still need a graphics card, no? I think that's just like a USB (a pipe for data in/out).

Will wait until I see someone trying this.

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Just some more research and I think they are not ready for prime time...

People are finding some issues with this display:

https://9to5mac.com/2017/02/09/lg-ultrafine-mess-apple-make-its-own-display/

Maybe by the end of the year we will have more options... will stick with my monitors for now...

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I needed another 4K monitor.

End up buying the HP Envy 4K 27" monitor, good price, but few weaknesses. Not glossy, which is my desire, but I couldn't wait anymore for a glossy 4K with the size I wanted (between 27" and 32").

This is the link: https://www.amazon.com/HP-Envy-27-Monitor-USB-C/dp/B01N3YVA0P/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1490367162&sr=8-1&keywords=hp+4k+monitor

Like:
- Decent colors. The monitor images look better than my expensive LG Digital Cinema.
- No dead pixels
- Runs cold
- Very energy efficient. I measured around 30W on a Watt-a-meter, just amazing for a 4K monitor. Must be one of the most efficient monitors out there.

Don't like:
- Advanced Haze is nothing more than a marketing term for a very matte screen. I much prefer glossy, or on the glossy side, but this was very matte. My search for a 4K glossy monitor continues. Someone on the Q&A said that it's not a glossy finish but not a flat matte either. No way! This is very matte. The matte coating is even stronger than my LG 4K monitor. I was hoping at least a bit glossy like some of the 1080p HP monitors, but this is not the case. So, the blacks will look grayish as in most matte monitors. Not good for watching movies, looking at pictures, etc.
- The power supply is a huge brick for such an efficient monitor. Most likely due to the need to charge via the USB-C port. But I wish it was smaller, for 30W even a notebook power supply should be enough.
- Stand: is this a joke? what a terrible design. This monitor sits at 3" from the table and you can't move it up (just tilt). At least has a Vesa mount adapter (you still need to buy the Vesa mount stand), but I wish it was a bit more expensive and allowed for some vertical movement.

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Anyone has this experience ? I connect surface pro 4 to the monitor which resolution is less than surface and the chart is not clear.Don't know if it is better when I connect surface pro 4 to higher resolution monitor.

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Hi all!

Wondering if I could get some advice on 4K monitors. Looking to upgrade from 3x 23" 1080p monitors to 1-2 4K. Either looking at dual 32" 4K or a single 43" (possibly dual in the future) 4K monitors. My desk is 30x60 in so two 32" would fit perfectly but not sure if readability without scaling would be an issue. Thanks all.

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Hi all!

Wondering if I could get some advice on 4K monitors. Looking to upgrade from 3x 23" 1080p monitors to 1-2 4K. Either looking at dual 32" 4K or a single 43" (possibly dual in the future) 4K monitors. My desk is 30x60 in so two 32" would fit perfectly but not sure if readability without scaling would be an issue. Thanks all.

the best thing you can do is go look at them in person, then decide.

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Definitely would be ideal but my local BB or any store for that matter doesn't seem to have them on display

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Hi all!

Wondering if I could get some advice on 4K monitors. Looking to upgrade from 3x 23" 1080p monitors to 1-2 4K. Either looking at dual 32" 4K or a single 43" (possibly dual in the future) 4K monitors. My desk is 30x60 in so two 32" would fit perfectly but not sure if readability without scaling would be an issue. Thanks all.

I have a philips 40" 4k, love it, but I do think the 43" would be at an ideal PPI. I run the monitor at native resolution which is fine for most applications, but that extra size would make it more comfortable.

I don't know about the 32" 4k monitors for that same reason, you would have to run them scaled which I would look at some good QHD monitors instead.

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Hi all!

Wondering if I could get some advice on 4K monitors. Looking to upgrade from 3x 23" 1080p monitors to 1-2 4K. Either looking at dual 32" 4K or a single 43" (possibly dual in the future) 4K monitors. My desk is 30x60 in so two 32" would fit perfectly but not sure if readability without scaling would be an issue. Thanks all.

I have been running a single 43 inch 4K monitor for about a year now, and couldn't be happier. 43 inch gives an ideal pixel pitch, so no scaling required. IMO, anything less than 40 inch 4K would require scaling to be readable.

The Dual 32" 4K monitor idea seems like it would incur unecessary graphics processing overhead because you would be driving 8K of resolution through your graphics card(s), but then scaling up to at least 150% to get a readable pixel pitch and losing most of the screen real estate advantage.

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Thanks for your input guys. 32" 4k definitely needs 125% scaling. Basically gotta decide between 2x 32" at 125% scaling vs a single 43".

I bought the 43" Philips and its huge compares to my triple 23" FHD ones. Although even with the 4k the 16:9 doesn't seem optimal for multiple windows like those ultra wides or two side by side monitors. How do you guys find side by side monitors with the bezel in the middle. I feel like it would be a pain always looking to the left or right instead of forward.

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I guess I'm late to the party but ready to make the jump to 4k. Was about to order a new desktop for prototyping with a GTX1080 and was thinking about getting a Dell 43 Ultra HD 4k Multi Client Monitor | P4317Q instead of my standard 30" monitors but then I saw this...

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Large 4K monitors are an appealing idea but not for me. I sometimes trade by remotely logging into my desktop from the tablet. Remote desktop software like splashtop or teamviewer present the entire desktop on the tablet and they allow switching between the monitors. Even though the tablet is only 8" (for convenience) viewing the entire desktop on it is not bad at all. With a large 4K screen, I would be panning and zooming all the time.

One of things I plan to do with this is run batch jobs, and some larger machine learning problems. As such I envisage I will use my laptop to remotely config and run these jobs in the evening etc. But the idea of panning and zooming a 4k screen on a laptop doesn't sound attractive. But then I saw

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NVIDIA has a software called nView Desktop Manager. I use that to create 4 virtual desktops on 1 monitor. Most applications can be dragged using the title bar and snapped into a pseudo maximized state in any quadrant. You also have the option of having nView buttons show up on the title bars of all applications. These are similar to windows minimize, maximize, close buttons. I have found that a couple of programs do not recognize nView so its not flawless. If you use something like Trillian, it will still try and snap to the entire height of the monitor and will not honor nNiew.

You can find out more about nView here: nView Desktop Management Software from NVIDIA|NVIDIA.

Which implies I can create different virtual desktops and would just use a different one for remoting in verses sat at computer.

Anybody have any thoughts or opinions on remoting into a 4k desktop (or the dell monitor itself)

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I remote desktop all the time into my 4K monitors. I use RDC from a 4K notebook (the best notebook for this I found is the HP Spectre X360 15" 4K). You will hv issues with Teamviewer. You may need to adjust your notebook resolution with Windows RDC if you don't have good eyes or use at least a 15" notebook. (You need Windows 10 Pro for RDC btw).

This is what I learned (and again, when it comes to monitors a lot is a question of personal preference):

- Never mix different resolutions and sizes of monitors (and brands). I have 4 monitors: 3 4K (one is a digital cinema so not the standard 4k) and 1 2560x1440. All different sizes. It's a total pain, each monitor has its own settings and controls and behave different as I move windows/charts from one monitor to another. I bought them not at the same time otherwise I would probably have bought all the same.

- I quickly gave up using included monitor/graphics card software to divide the screen into quadrants, halves, etc. Again, it was a pain, mainly when you have several monitors. And each software had its own specific behaviors and limitations. Now I use each monitor as I used to do with the old 1080s. I run each trading software in each monitor and distribute the windows as I wish. Much easier management every day. And mostly everything is in the same place when you boot up and start each software (and if not, with minimal adjustments you can organize everything).


- I found 32" to be the best size for 4k monitors. Because of the previous point (I use the entire space of each monitor), with 32" I don't need my eyes to travel too much, and also things are not too small. 28" would also work. Some people with a lot of desk space my prefer the 43", but again, if you run 'one space' per monitor (previous point), 43" may be too big for some (it's for me).

- Have one monitor be your main monitor right in front of you. This monitor should be where your eyes will be looking straight the most during the day. A 3 monitor setup is ideal, one monitor right in front of you, and one monitor on each side. You don't want a 2 monitor set up and face the bezel and have your head turned to one monitor or the other all day long (I started to have neck pain with this set up in the past).

As I said 4K is ideal for trading until we have OLED 8K monitors at reasonable prices. You will never go back. My son's 1080 monitor looks awkward and seems to lack a lot of space now. I'm considering getting rid of all my monitors and ordering 3 4K of the same brand and 32" size. I much prefer glossy, but I can't find any, once a glossy 4K 32" monitor comes up I will probably pull the trigger.

That's my 2c... would love to hear lessons learned from others.

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Thanks @dstrader for the detailed reply.

I'm getting old. I need reading glasses for my 17" 1920x1080 laptop, never mind a 4K 15" so that's probably not an option for me. I think I'm going to go with the 43" 4k, it's actually cheaper than the 30" I normally get, and I'd like to give one a try. I assume I can just reset the resolution when remoting in. This will be a new separate computer so I'm not worried about the difference in monitors. My main trading computer has two 30" monitors and a 27" wide screen monitor mounted above the two 30's. I know the double bezel in the middle of the setup bothers a lot of people, including @Big Mike, but it really doesn't bother me. That could be because I use a lot of spreadsheets and have them sized to the windows, and not many charts.

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Do u guys find theres a lot of difference using a 2k and a 4k monitor?

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Unless you have superfluous money it's just NOT worth getting a large 34"+ 4k monitor at current prices for trading unless your trading justifies it. From experience, I'd advise people not to buy a low to mid range monitor as technology in these monitors is quite poor. For me, the higher range monitors have amazing technology and features but just don't justify the prices you have to pay.

I initially bought two proper Philips 43" 4k monitors from Amazon and I had constant problems of burn in which got worse and worse to the point where I started getting permanent blocky white areas on the screen. Eventually I had to return these back to Amazon 7-8 months. Despite what you sometimes see about people bitching Amazon, you I just can't fault them at times when you have to make returns! After 8 months I didn't have the original boxes so I had to use existing odd boxes to patch up the correct sizes using a scissors, glue glue gun and parcel tape .... but that's a separate story!

I bought two 4K 55" Sony TV's in December 2017 and have them running at 3840X2160 (no windows scaling or any other virtual desktop software). Best decision ever, for me.

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I trade stocks so I use one of my monitors for tracking stocks. I have configured different Ninjatrader workspaces that can can track from 40 to 70 charts on the same screen. At the beginning I had lots of problems losing the cursor but now I am used to finding the cursor relatively quickly - your brain adjusts quite quickly and it gets better with time! Additionally Windows has a track cursor function which helps a lot and can plot circles to find the cursor when you press a hotkey.



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Unless you have superfluous money it's just NOT worth getting a large 34"+ 4k monitor at current prices for trading unless your trading justifies it. From experience, I'd advise people not to buy a low to mid range monitor as technology in these monitors is quite poor. For me, the higher range monitors have amazing technology and features but just don't justify the prices you have to pay.

I initially bought two proper Philips 43" 4k monitors from Amazon and I had constant problems of burn in which got worse and worse to the point where I started getting permanent blocky white areas on the screen. Eventually I had to return these back to Amazon 7-8 months. Despite what you sometimes see about people bitching Amazon, you I just can't fault them at times when you have to make returns! After 8 months I didn't have the original boxes so I had to use existing odd boxes to patch up the correct sizes using a scissors, glue glue gun and parcel tape .... but that's a separate story!

I bought two 4K 55" Sony TV's in December 2017 and have them running at 3840X2160 (no windows scaling or any other virtual desktop software). Best decision ever, for me.

Also see:

I trade stocks so I use one of my monitors for tracking stocks. I have configured different Ninjatrader workspaces that can can track from 40 to 70 charts on the same screen. At the beginning I had lots of problems losing the cursor but now I am used to finding the cursor relatively quickly - your brain adjusts quite quickly and it gets better with time! Additionally Windows has a track cursor function which helps a lot and can plot circles to find the cursor when you press a hotkey.



If anyone needs more info just ask or pm.

What desktop/laptop are you running in order to use the tv's, ive thought about doing this but I think I'd have to upgrade m graphics.

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What desktop/laptop are you running in order to use the tv's, ive thought about doing this but I think I'd have to upgrade m graphics.

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Haha, I am a total tech freak, but I don't think monitors will make a trader.

I have 4 ASUS 24 in LED monitors on a quad stand at the house and 3 27 inch ASUS monitors on a tri-stand at the office.

It took me a minute to get acclimated to the 27's.

I do recall getting distracted on getting the best of best of everything, gaming mouse for quick hot keys and such. Oh can't forget the 1gps connection lol.

I trade off my Sager Laptop, which is over kill. Intel Core I7-6700k CPU @4.00 GHZ 48GB of ram, too lazy to pop the keyboard to get at the other ram card.

My 4k LG Tv is good for watching movies, along with my Denon Receiver and my RSL surround sound(nice 10 inch sub woofer)- totally off topic. The mentioned monitors above are perfect for seeing the clarity of the price action.

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Haha, I am a total tech freak, but I don't think monitors will make a trader.

I have 4 ASUS 24 in LED monitors on a quad stand at the house and 3 27 inch ASUS monitors on a tri-stand at the office.

It took me a minute to get acclimated to the 27's.

I do recall getting distracted on getting the best of best of everything, gaming mouse for quick hot keys and such. Oh can't forget the 1gps connection lol.

I trade off my Sager Laptop, which is over kill. Intel Core I7-6700k CPU @4.00 GHZ 48GB of ram, too lazy to pop the keyboard to get at the other ram card.

My 4k LG Tv is good for watching movies, along with my Denon Receiver and my RSL surround sound(nice 10 inch sub woofer)- totally off topic. The mentioned monitors above are perfect for seeing the clarity of the price action.

I current use 2 27" monitors when I trade from home and the thought behind 1 TV would be to keep everything right there so I wouldn't have to look side to side or worry about moving the mouse from screen to screen... maybe I'm being a little to lazy ha.

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I current use 2 27" monitors when I trade from home and the thought behind 1 TV would be to keep everything right there so I wouldn't have to look side to side or worry about moving the mouse from screen to screen... maybe I'm being a little to lazy ha.

Getting a new home office and planning on splurging a little bit!!

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I thought about that too, just mount a 55 inch on the wall. I could see that working.

I think two is probably all you need though, if you don't go the tv route. I would take a minute to get adjusted to the scaling.

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I current use 2 27" monitors when I trade from home and the thought behind 1 TV would be to keep everything right there so I wouldn't have to look side to side or worry about moving the mouse from screen to screen... maybe I'm being a little to lazy ha.

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I have dual Dell U3415W 4k curved monitors. Looks nice but it didn't make me a better trader. I also have a custom built (by me) water cooled Intel I7 with 32g ram and a GTX1070 graphics card, it didn't help either. LOL!

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I've read that with a 40'' 4K monitor there's no need for scaling but this video says the opposite.
Without scaling we can clearly see icons and text become really small.
So if we need to scale also, we lose the high work space which is what these resolutions more offer to us.

This is a bummer.
I'm looking to buy new screens and I have no idea what to do.
I'd like to buy a high resolution screen due to the work space it offers but if we're forced to scale, that work space goes away and it's the same like throwing money out the window.

Been looking at 27'' screens and 1080p resolution but at that size, most people refers the image quality is too pixelized and at 27'' the best resolution is 2560x1440 but then again, scaling comes back at me.

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I have dual Dell U3415W 4k curved monitors. Looks nice but it didn't make me a better trader. I also have a custom built (by me) water cooled Intel I7 with 32g ram and a GTX1070 graphics card, it didn't help either. LOL!

What!
All of that and you still can print money like the FED?
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I've read that with a 40'' 4K monitor there's no need for scaling but this video says the opposite.

Without scaling we can clearly see icons and text become really small.

So if we need to scale also, we lose the high work space which is what these resolutions more offer to us.



This is a bummer.

I'm looking to buy new screens and I have no idea what to do.

I'd like to buy a high resolution screen due to the work space it offers but if we're forced to scale, that work space goes away and it's the same like throwing money out the window.



Been looking at 27'' screens and 1080p resolution but at that size, most people refers the image quality is too pixelized and at 27'' the best resolution is 2560x1440 but then again, scaling comes back at me.



Have no idea what to do.






There are two aspects to using a HD monitor 1) resolution 2) scaling.
Clearly if you use a ultra high resolution such as 3840x2160 then the information may be too small for you so you have the choice of using a lower resolution or use scaling or continue trying to make out whats on the screen. It really depends on how good your eyes are.

Saying all that I use 3840x2160 without scaling but it may be different for you.

Also you need to look at dot pitch of the monitor. This will determine the quality of the screen and how blocky the txt is. The smaller the dot pitch the better the screen and more expensive.

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Im looking to add a 40 external monitor to my laptop. Will I really notice a difference between the 4k monitor compared to a less expensive 1080p?


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Youll get more workspace on the screen if u work at hires.
I have two 4K 55 monitors each running at 3840x2160. Its like having 8 x 1080p monitors but without the monitor outside shell hogging space.


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Advice needed, please.

Finally we are going to move into our silver twinkie (Airstream Trailer) full time. Of course we are replacing our beloved 32 year old and decrepit 25 foot unit with the new gigantic 33 foot unit. Yes it has a desk but no I don't get it (she called first dibs) So I will be trading from the dinet with the screen sitting on the table. Can not trade easily from the lounge chair as my face would be 5 and a half foot away from the screen and would have to clear the printer and stuff off the desk top to fold it back to the wall. Life would be fine if the built in 60 inch projector TV had good resolution but 1080 does not cut it for other than TV.

Currently using a pair of 24 inch units with 1920 by 1080 resolution. Thinking of a single 4k set up and no one has posted anything recently about screen size.

Was also going to build a new PC to drive it especially as mine is pretty out of date. My grand children's parents think I should get a lap top but I will not give up on my gaming key board and mouse so it would be folded up in a cradle with cords coming out of it. Kind of a waste in my opinion. Has anybody had any luck running off of a Ryzen G all in one chip. On paper it should do the job but you know the problem with theory. If it works it would sure be better in a trailer to drop to a skinny micro ATX form factor.

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How about a 43 inch TCL TV 4K low input lag works fine for me running on a GTX 1080


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Finally we are going to move into our silver twinkie (Airstream Trailer) full time. Of course we are replacing our beloved 32 year old and decrepit 25 foot unit with the new gigantic 33 foot unit.

It's off-topic and I shouldn't be writing it probably, but I have wondered about the "Trailer Guy" username and now I know. I think it's very cool.

I'm never going to do it, because I like having more space, but I have often thought about the idea (and liked it) of the freedom of living in a trailer and just getting up and going where I wanted to, when I wanted to. Like I said, I'm not going to, but it's part of the romance of the open road for me....

Well, back in reality, I don't want to hijack this thread (any more than necessary ), but I'm glad to have read your post, just to have gotten the part about your Airstream.

I do hope you get a monitor you like, to get back to the thread....

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It's off-topic and I shouldn't be writing it probably, but I have wondered about the "Trailer Guy" username and now I know. I think it's very cool.

I'm never going to do it, because I like having more space, but I have often thought about the idea (and liked it) of the freedom of living in a trailer and just getting up and going where I wanted to, when I wanted to. Like I said, I'm not going to, but it's part of the romance of the open road for me....

Well, back in reality, I don't want to hijack this thread (any more than necessary ), but I'm glad to have read your post, just to have gotten the part about your Airstream.

I do hope you get a monitor you like, to get back to the thread....

Bob.

Bob, it is a disease called aluminitis. Makes you pay double or more for less space with the same stuff on the inside. But all that hand riveted aircraft aluminum will last a lot longer than we will.

We have been camped out in the same spot for 35 years. Our kids owe us big time for moving into something less than a tenth the size. Can't believe all the stuff we are getting rid of, finally. We will eventually build a new place up in the Idaho mountains which you would know as the Northern Rockies, but there is a housing shortage like you would expect in a resort area late cycle. Also 4 foot of snow on the ground all winter made me think we really need to be able to enjoy Palm Springs in the winter.

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After some lightning strike, my Philips 40" broke down. So I get a new Philips 43" 4K BDM4350UC/00.
I need one big screen. Can't live without it.

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I currently have a one 4k and 5 HD monitors+laptop.

Each has advantages/disadvantages. You can tilt the standard monitors. But you have bezel hassles and lots of extra plugs. GPUs seem to be moving towards less ports but all at 4k. So I can see myself stuck with lots of standard monitors unfortunately at some point!

My 4k is 43' and set on a desk to my left. The 5 other monitors are 21.5' @ 1920 resolution(set 2 x 2) infront of me, with a 22' 1280 resolution to my left. I'm thinking of adding in a 4K or more in the future.

I wonder what size 4k monitors I should buy. Some people say 32' @4k is the optimal, with 2 or more monitors set very close to you. Others say text is too small on 32' 4k monitors and that you need scaling which loses a lot of the resolution. My 43' 4 works great because its a little distance to my left. But 2 x 43' @4k right infront of me might be too big and leave me stretching across the desk a lot.

My suspicion is that 2 x 37' @4k infront of me with the older monitors dotted around might be a good compromise solution?

Would be interested to hear others experiences on the 4k monitor size dilemna.

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Hello,

Before i go into my observations. I should mention that I have a 2018 MacBook pro retina with 32Gb ram and access windows via parallels desktop emulation to trade with NT8.

I have tried buying the BIG 50+ inch 4K TVs but honestly the refresh rate, response times and having SUCH a large screen with SO many charts was a significant detractor.

I then went to a newer 43 inch 4K TV with improved specs and felt that it was fine but I would not go any bigger.

I also have a 32 inch 4K computer monitor and it works just fine.

Thirdly I have a 27 inch non 4K thunderbolt display that works fine as well.

So I have three different displays of three different sizes and two different resolutions and they work fine with my current set up and NT8.

My current 2018 15 inch MacBook pro can output max two 4k displays.

The new 2019 16 inch MacBook pro and output max four 4K displays.

I plan on keeping my 43 inch and adding another 32 inch.

Hope this helps,

Steven

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I am planning to get the New MacBook 16 with 32GB ram as well. Looking for suggestions as well for 4K monitor as well.


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Hello,



Before i go into my observations. I should mention that I have a 2018 MacBook pro retina with 32Gb ram and access windows via parallels desktop emulation to trade with NT8.



I have tried buying the BIG 50+ inch 4K TVs but honestly the refresh rate, response times and having SUCH a large screen with SO many charts was a significant detractor.



I then went to a newer 43 inch 4K TV with improved specs and felt that it was fine but I would not go any bigger.



I also have a 32 inch 4K computer monitor and it works just fine.



Thirdly I have a 27 inch non 4K thunderbolt display that works fine as well.



So I have three different displays of three different sizes and two different resolutions and they work fine with my current set up and NT8.



My current 2018 15 inch MacBook pro can output max two 4k displays.



The new 2019 16 inch MacBook pro and output max four 4K displays.



I plan on keeping my 43 inch and adding another 32 inch.



Hope this helps,



Steven



If you buy cheap TVs you will get bad screen output. I got high end Sony TVs and Im happy! If you want real screen performance go for OLED.

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Not necessary for me to have 4k and I do not think it will make me a better trader but I am only trading CL and do not plan on trading multiple instruments (at least not any time soon). I would however like to have all my charts visible at once so I do not have to continually switch tabs. I only have 4 tabs and may add a 5th for market depth. I am looking at getting a Sceptre C355W-3440UN 35 Inch Super Curved Ultrawide - any input on Ultrawide monitors serving this purpose?

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I don't understand why somebody need to have 4K monitor for trading. I trade on my laptop, and mobile phone, and I think that I wouldn't have any better results if I would use 4 K monitor.

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While I have a 4K monitor, I've been thinking the same thing. I've recently actually taken my laptop out of the dock and just used the laptop monitor in the backyard or another room. Reducing all the signals actually has helped me focus on what I really want to. But I guess it depends on the style of trading and if the system relies on more information.

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I have tried buying the BIG 50+ inch 4K TVs but honestly the refresh rate, response times and having SUCH a large screen with SO many charts was a significant detractor.


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If you buy cheap TVs you will get bad screen output. I got high end Sony TVs and Im happy! If you want real screen performance go for OLED.

As somebody who just went through the journey of picking a TV for my main monitor, I want to share my experience. I was very worried about input lag and blurry text so
I spent a lot of time reading reviews / comparing specs. OLEDs are perfect for monitors but LCD screens are almost as good. Here's the summary:

input delay / response time
It is true that TVs have a higher response time than monitors. If you connect your PC / laptop to an older TV you'll notice that mouse movements & webpage scrolling is choppy. While monitor manufacturers aim for 1-5ms response times, TVs are usually have ~100ms response times.

There is a way to solve that though. If you're not the type of person who enjoys looking at spec sheets, just google "top 10 TVs to use as PC monitors 2020" and you'll get decent results. I recommend the comparisons that rtings.com publishes

If you'd rather do your own research, here's what you should look for in order of importance:
  • game mode / monitor mode
  • response time at 4:4:4 chroma
  • avg response time
  • input delay

Odds are as long as the TV supports game mode / monitor mode, it'll be a good fit. What game mode does is it disables all the additional processing that TVs do to "improve" the image. Things like added smoothing for more gradual movements, improved HDR and a whole bunch of extra functions that are great when you're using the TV for movies, but useless (and even bad) when you use your TV as a monitor.

color compression
The last important point is to make sure that the TV supports 4:4:4 chroma. A 4:4:4 color profile means that the color data is not compressed at all, so you can be sure that sharp lines and text will render properly. This is often a setting (not turned on by default). I use a Samsung TV from 2019, the 4:4:4 chroma setting is not accessible in the menu, but it's turned on by default if I switch game mode on.

comparing TVs
After you've gone through a few of the options you're considering you can use the RTings comparison table to narrow down your choice. Select the models you're considering and pick PC Monitor from the "main differences" dropdown. The table will sort all differences by importance with things like input delay & color compression towards the top of the list.


How to effectively use a larger screen
After you've made the decision and you've got a big TV for you main or only monitor, make sure to spend some time optimizing the way you use a larger screen.
The first thing I noticed is that I stopped using alt + tab, as I had enough space for all windows which is a great convenience.

Whenever I need to use more windows than I can fit on my screen, I use virtual desktops - here's a beginner tutorial for Windows 10.

A lot of linux DE offer this feature as well, I've been using that in a different form for more than a decade.

Virtual desktops are great because they allow you to arrange your charts / DOMs / newsfeeds and the easily switch between groups. Personally I have 1 desktop for equities + bonds and another for currencies. I'd have to press alt+tab 10 times to switch between all windows but with virtual desktops it's just a single shortcut.

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