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Hmm, after all of this Gary I'm guessing the experience of building your own machine will come in handy one day.

It already has. if the tool I use is a computer, it felt almost ritualistic to build my own. I was preparing to buy a new box, looked a a lot of brands and options from $700 to $2500, but I really did not know what I wanted, or what I needed, and that is what caused me to start reading about components. I had called Digital Tigers and talked about my needs, and they directed me towards a product line. I printed that list of specs out and started learning.


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I can't help but wonder though if it was a good business decision given the cost of lost opportunity in your 'downtime'...

I never had any downtime, I planned for it in advance and bought a new laptop before starting the new build, so I have constantly had two computers running while trading. And other than trade, I do not have that much of a schedule. We have no kids, our families live 1000 miles away, I either trade, or find something to do. So it gave me a project, and other than this last issue I have really enjoyed it. And even with the problems, i had to learn to troubleshoot at a level that I never knew existed before.


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To me, trading is a business and sometimes one needs to consider the cost of the non-trading activity.

This new build saved me some money, but it is built exactly for me. I know how I will upgrade it, that tiny case is deceiving and will run up to 15 monitors with today's available parts. (another $500 and done), but I do not have 15 monitors today, I only have 4, so today, it runs 4. (or, would ) That is a good business investment for only around $800 in to date, and some rebates not filled out still. I have owned an office full of Dells before, that was a waste of money. I understood very little , and way overpaid for what I had.

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If it's heat related, you can find out quickly by using something like Intel Burn Test or Prime95. It should be able to run either of these for 24 hours straight, the first thing I always do on a new build after overclocking to ensure it is stable.

Mike, I looked at Intel Burn Test, but it seemed a little iffy due to 1) the site that had the downloadm and 2) there were a lot of warnings about "bringing computers to their knees". Is there any harm it could do at this point?

I am still within the time to return everything for a full refund except for the processor. That is exchange only.

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process of elimination requires you to just run as little as possible to have system operational. Leave the doors off the case, and only run the CPU with its stock cooler, 1 monitor and 1 stick of memory, leave everything else disconnected (odd, case headers, 2nd drive if using one etc)

If you are using an old wireless mouse, use a basic mouse and keyboard with a cord.

now you can start to narrow things down. Since you have a few laptops and other PC bits hanging around, you can also install Windows onto another drive to rule out your SSD.

Also, booting from USB to run memtest on one stick at a time should have been the very first thing you do to eliminate the mem

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but it will power down unexpectedly, as if the power went out, and then restart itself saying it did not shut down properly. It tends to do it while executing some task rather than when idle. It took many restarts to get the updates finalized.

if idling is fine, but under load its not, this suggests heat (reseat CPU cooler). The shutdown is a protective measure, but as it doesnt allow Windows to close properly, you'll always get "did not shut down properly" which at this point in time can be ignored.



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Occassionally, instead of cycling as above, the monitors will all show horizontal multicolored lines over top of whatever is on the displays, in which case I have to force a reboot.

have you tried 1 monitor only, via different monitor outputs on the motherboard?

Also, have you made changes in the motherboard BIOS? And therefore have you reverted back to fail-safe settings on mobo? Can you run Windows in safe mode?

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if idling is fine, but under load its not, this suggests heat (reseat CPU cooler). The shutdown is a protective measure, but as it doesnt allow Windows to close properly, you'll always get "did not shut down properly" which at this point in time can be ignored.

have you tried 1 monitor only, via different monitor outputs on the motherboard?

Also, have you made changes in the motherboard BIOS? And therefore have you reverted back to fail-safe settings on mobo? Can you run Windows in safe mode?

The board has a temp monitor that I can watch. I have now seen a new high temp of 42 celsius, but the max operating is around 76. I did a reseat of the cooler once.

I tried different settings in the bios, but just tonight did a bios update from the asus website, plus installed the Intel management Engine that was a part of the bios update instructions. It is 1 hour + into memtest86 now, but i did not know to run one stick at a time.

Windows will run everything fine. Today I opened 2 installs of Sierra, watched a YouTube Video, opened 3 more web pages, drug all the windows around. Nothing crashed it. That was after the bios update.

I took it into TigerDirect today and they tested my PSU with some special tester, that was good, but I bought a spare anyway to use as I go down the list, if needed. I also bought a spare Gigabyte motherboard. But as of now I have a tiny bit of hope resurfacing. They are backed up right now, the guy told me 50% chance it was the motherboard, and if that wasn't it, it could take them days to troubleshoot it. That is where I got teh instructions on updating the bios.

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process of elimination requires you to just run as little as possible to have system operational. Leave the doors off the case, and only run the CPU with its stock cooler, 1 monitor and 1 stick of memory, leave everything else disconnected (odd, case headers, 2nd drive if using one etc)

If you are using an old wireless mouse, use a basic mouse and keyboard with a cord.

now you can start to narrow things down. Since you have a few laptops and other PC bits hanging around, you can also install Windows onto another drive to rule out your SSD.

Also, booting from USB to run memtest on one stick at a time should have been the very first thing you do to eliminate the mem

Doors off, one monitor, stock fan, no 2nd drive, wired mouse and keyboard, and I am learning Thanks.

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FYI - on that Patriot memory I was questioning, when I ran the Passmark performance tests I did a 2nd run with my sample base being other computers with the same processor and graphics. In the sample base were 16GB of Corsair, G Skill and Kingston. The Patriot scored higher than everything in the mix except... ADATA. go figure.

I made my purchase here locally after every tech at TigerDirect swore by it. net cost after rebate was $110 for 16GB.

https://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=8033818&CatId=4534

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I made my purchase here locally after every tech at TigerDirect swore by it. net cost after rebate was $110 for 16GB.

rebates! no such thing in Oz, we get ripped on everything - $200 for 16gb ram, the cpu you have is $360 here - and these are the cheap no frills outlets

edit: 76 degrees! that is way above "normal" check the max specs your cpu can take, but thats your problem right there - cpu will clock down before it shuts down, hence why you get the horizontal lines prior to shut down.

edit 2... 76C frrrrrk, lucky the CPU's shutdown - otherwise you would have fried it for sure. max temp of 1245v2 is 72C

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edit: 76 degrees! that is way above "normal" check the max specs your cpu can take, but thats your problem right there - cpu will clock down before it shuts down, hence why you get the horizontal lines prior to shut down.

No, mine never got above 40 something. I looked up the mminimum and maximum temps, and Intel says aomewhere around 76,


Also, sorry about the image quality, I am assuming this says "800MHz" due to hyperthreading? ( It is finding 8 CPUs in a 4 core processor)


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