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That might be too much trouble to physically remove it, but I think all you would have to do is disconnect the screens from the discrete card, and switch one to the mobo. And if the IGP won't display the 3 screens, maybe disable the discrete card in Device Manager to be sure it's not affecting anything during the test. Just being physically installed in the system but disabled shouldn't affect it I think. Either way if you can try, would appreciate it as I wouldn't need a discrete card at all if it works. If not, understand it's a hassle.

2 screws to be loosened "too much trouble"? I survive daily with far more intensity than that. I lost count of how many screws I may or may not have loose.

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this question is harder to answer than you would think.

firstly avoid AMD Radeon series because of their self imposed limitations
choose NVidia based graphics cards because they allow multiple monitors through all the connections on the card

also, spend time calling the tech support of the manufacturer (BEFORE Purchase) of the specific card you choose, just to confirm your specific question as to whether or not the card with 6 ports can actively display on 3 monitors or all the way up to 6, without additional software of display-port adapters or any other devices.

Often times what you will realize is they do not know, nor have they tested it, but they advertise the product as capable of doing so. This response came more frequently from AMD based cards than NVidia based cards.

In all cases, do not (ever) expect that the salesmen at any of the vendors and retail / online or other vendors to know these details.

Every so often you will be surprised with the answers you get, and that is the card that you build your system around.

I can't even remember how many $800 cards having 6 ports can only use just 2 ports actively, and conditionally 3 at maximum.

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welcome to the realities of the "build" process

This post is misleading. AMD cards with DisplayPort outputs will drive as many monitors with DisplayPort inputs as there are outputs on the card.
Any AMD card that is driving a monitor(s) with DisplayPort can additionally run monitors via DVI and HDMI if the card also has these outputs.

I have an AMD card running 4 monitors (with DP inputs) using displayport cables. It's basic plug and play operation, no additional software, active adapters, voodoo magic etc is required.

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... ... Either way if you can try, would appreciate it as I wouldn't need a discrete card at all if it works. If not, understand it's a hassle.

Hi Futures Operator,

Did you get your answer to this question? I am about to upgrade my 2008 steam-powered PC and was amazed to see the Asus Z87K having 3 display ports. I only need the DVI and HDMI for my 2 Dell 22" monitors and I then just buy the CPU, some new ram and I'm back in business. My not-so-old SATA2 drives will work fine too.

I sure would not miss my buggy NVidia GeForce display card that is also noisy.

Update: No sweat. I shall go ahead this weekend with an Asus Z87K, Intel i7-4770K chip, and 8GB (maybe 16GB for video editing) RAM. Will follow up and tell you all if my mobo-driven monitors are Ok or not. I am sure they will be. For trading and video editing only, no games or intense graphics needed.

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Glad to hear its working out Gary!

Question for you, if its not too much trouble to test, perhaps over the weekend or in downtime, is there anyway you could check if the integrated graphics by itself handles 3 high res monitors of charts simultaneously without issues, as Intel claims?

The security cameras stopped working recently and I needed a testing monitors to figure it out. I took one from my trade setup and did your test all at once. Seemed to work fine, but I only let it run for one day.

I really think the only problem with the first build was me not securing the cpu cooler correctly prior to the first power up. Something fried and it was just not coming back no matter how many updates I installed. I probably could have stayed with the original Seasonic power supply and Patriot memory. But I do like the build in my old case. I washed it in the kitchen sink and shined it up with furniture polish and I think it looks great.

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My idea of using it only for trading went away pretty fast once I saw how well it runs. I keep one laptop for email and skype, neither of which I really use anymore, and the "new" sony does everything else.


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Update: No sweat. I shall go ahead this weekend with an Asus Z87K, Intel i7-4770K chip, and 8GB (maybe 16GB for video editing) RAM. Will follow up and tell you all if my mobo-driven monitors are Ok or not. I am sure they will be. For trading and video editing only, no games or intense graphics needed.

For info, installed the Asus Z87K, i7-4770K, and 16GB RAM and all running very well indeed. Went with the onboard graphics adapter and oh my, excellent results. Better than my Core-4/Nvidia by a long (cool and quiet) margin.

Using the inbuilt Windows 7 64-bit Control Panel Experience analysis, improvements for me are:
Processor 7.2 -> 7.8 (max 7.9); RAM 7.2 -> 7.8; Graphics 5.5 -> 6.7; Gaming Graphics 6.5 -> 6.7; HDD 5.0 -> 5.9 (not changed - maybe switch to SSD later).

The Graphics and Gaming Graphics performance improvement was a pleasant surprise. My old Nvidia GeForce 8600GT card is significantly worse than the new Intel onboard adapter. And the 'new' PC is very quiet without the noisy GeForce card too.

Conclusion. For trading (and video editing which I do), we do not need a separate graphics adapter. And my 'new' PC is powerful enough for gaming too, if I wanted to waste the time. I wonder how many PC salesmen would tell us that.

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This post is misleading. AMD cards with DisplayPort outputs will drive as many monitors with DisplayPort inputs as there are outputs on the card.
Any AMD card that is driving a monitor(s) with DisplayPort can additionally run monitors via DVI and HDMI if the card also has these outputs.

I have an AMD card running 4 monitors (with DP inputs) using displayport cables. It's basic plug and play operation, no additional software, active adapters, voodoo magic etc is required.

No, its not!
The only ones that explained display port features, were the tech support guys at the manufacturer, not the retail shops, because they themselves do not understand all these conflicting features, hence, as you call it: "voodoo magic".

One logically expects that if a card has 6 ports (in any combination of DVI, HDMI, DP, VGA (if that still exists on the higher end cards) and Mini-HDMI or Mini-DP), that it should be able to drive any number of parallel monitors connected to its respective ports without knowing any special order or sequence to follow (voodoo magic).

All too often, the documentation of which ports or adapters or connections worked in combination were each different for each card, even within one manufacturer's line up. These answers occurred more often with the AMD Radeon series than with the NVidia series.

Using the display port is such a newer feature that the notion of purchasing additional dongles in any combination of full size or mini size and daisy chain-ing a series of monitors together to achieve the same outcome as having an expensive upper end card that provides multiple ports, which should have allowed the same objective seems like a cruel waste of money in the exteme. In the US, we call that consumer fraud, when a product is misrepresented.

Either way to sunday, these were the experiences that I encountered, and there's nothing deceptive about that.

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For info, installed the Asus Z87K, i7-4770K, and 16GB RAM and all running very well indeed. Went with the onboard graphics adapter and oh my, excellent results. Better than my Core-4/Nvidia by a long (cool and quiet) margin.

Using the inbuilt Windows 7 64-bit Control Panel Experience analysis, improvements for me are:
Processor 7.2 -> 7.8 (max 7.9); RAM 7.2 -> 7.8; Graphics 5.5 -> 6.7; Gaming Graphics 6.5 -> 6.7; HDD 5.0 -> 5.9 (not changed - maybe switch to SSD later).

The Graphics and Gaming Graphics performance improvement was a pleasant surprise. My old Nvidia GeForce 8600GT card is significantly worse than the new Intel onboard adapter. And the 'new' PC is very quiet without the noisy GeForce card too.

Conclusion. For trading (and video editing which I do), we do not need a separate graphics adapter. And my 'new' PC is powerful enough for gaming too, if I wanted to waste the time. I wonder how many PC salesmen would tell us that.

Thanks Richard and Gary for the results on integrated. I can also third now, that no issues on integtrated running 3 screens simultaneously for trading. I discovered this by accident on my new 'backup' laptop machine with Intel 4600HD, which to my pleasant surprise, can handle it's own 17" 1920x1080 display, as well as two full 1920x1200 24" external screens, all seemlessly and reliably, without breaking a sweat, directly connected to the included outputs. No flickering, no adapters, no issues.

It actually performed so well for my trading use, that I decided I don't need a custom desktop rig at all, this is practically a far superior solution for my needs. This machine benchmarked as well as I had hoped my full custom desktop rig I was planning to build would, putting out just about the same single threaded CPU performance of the 4770K. Windows Experience Index numbers are all pegged out at 8.1 CPU, 8.1 RAM, 8.2 HDD, with Gaming Graphics at 5.8 and Graphics at 5.9, out of a scale of 7.9.

Also passed multiple full hardcore burn in and stability testing suites of all hardware, runs at mid 60s*C temps even at full load stress testing, with much lower power requirements at just 5-25w most of the time, has a built in battery backup, and is rock solid stable on Win 8.1 Pro, was probably around the same price, and is portable to boot. Incredibly happy with it, and think if I do need more screens in the future, I will try adding via usb 3.0 adapter, or with another backup machine.

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@GaryD,

Would you please provide your final kit list and any final recommendations you might have. I have been considering the kit (perhaps with some parts upgrades) form iBuyPower in the following link.

New iBUYPOWER Trading Computer Review - Stock Trading To Go

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@GaryD,

Would you please provide your final kit list and any final recommendations you might have. I have been considering the kit (perhaps with some parts upgrades) form iBuyPower in the following link.

New iBUYPOWER Trading Computer Review - Stock Trading To Go

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This link is the same as the image below:

Intel Xeon E3-1245 V3 - Completed Build - GaryD's Saved Part List - PCPartPicker


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The board I used was the H87-M, but that does not seem to be available. I went micro. I built inside my old Sony case, got new wiring for the power button for maybe $3.

I absolutely LOVE my new build. The initial round had problems that I am now almost certain were my fault. I have ahd a few people mention to me that I scared them out of building one, and/or questioning my sanity (on this specific topic). But this machine is just flawless. It took some work though, and that I will try to explain.


I watched many videos on YouTube that show step by step how to put the parts together, plus went to a live workshop and watched on be built, and then built very slowly and methodically, but still managed to not seat the cpu cooler properly the first time. I discovered it as I was trouble shooting. Oops...

The initial startup (2nd time) went very smooth, but only because I had tried so many things to repair the first attempt. Things I never would have thought of from any YouTube video or from any literature that came with the parts. There are a lot of drivers and updates that have to be downloaded and installed, and before that can happen, you have to install the driver to get you connected to the internet (that driver comes with the motherboard). Here is the process I went through

1) The first time you press the power button you will get a basic screen. The operating system needs to be installed first. Put in the CD, follow the instructions. Pretty easy.

2) Once the OS has completed, install the drivers that come with the motherboard. Mine also came with some crap that was in the "Install All" option, things like Norton, Web Storage, etc. I chose my drivers one at a time because I wanted zero bloatware. It took longer, I know because I did it both ways the first time through, but in the end I only have on my computer what I want to be there.

3) Next was the internet connection. Once connected, update Windows. There were maybe 200 updates required. It takes awhile, and each time I restarted it seemed to find a few more. be patient and keep doing it until it stops finding new stuff.

4) Go to the motherboard website and download the latest bios update and install.

5) Go to the Intel website and download the latest Intel Management Engine and Video drivers
Once that is done, windows found some more updates. Install those.

6) Finally, you are ready to install the trade platform. The build takes far less time than the updating and driver install, but it is pretty simple once you know where to go and what to download.


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