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I'm not sure if this is the correct place to post this, so please place it in the correct category, Mr. Moderator Man

I'm getting ready to make a push to go to live trading again and I was wondering what the most ideal
internet connectivity is.

I'm not much of an IT cat, so I'm a little data connect illiterate.

What is the most robust connection type possible.

So, say, from Strongest to weakest....



Cable > modem > computer

Cable > modem > router >Wireless box > computer

Satellite > router / wireless > computer

Wireless Mobile Broadband units > Computer

Cell phone hotspot > Computer.


My Home is so far in the sticks, that I have no cable access. So, to practice, I use my iPhone hotspot gag
to hook up. Far from ideal and border line suck.

I have thought of satellite, but similar problems lie there.

At work, we have a wireless rig, but it seems to jam up at times .
I suppose I could dig out one of the direct Ethernet feeds off the router.

At work the cable comes in and hits the comcast box, that I guess is a modem. Then 1 cable to
the router,which sends it to the wireless and some dedicated feeds I need to find. (haven't been used in years)

So the best way must be Cable > Modem > computer sans any type of router, but that is not available to
me.

Even if I find a little office space somewhere to trade, the best would be
Cable > modem > router > computer ( unless there is a direct cable line in the office ...hmmmmmm)


Am I thinking right ?

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If you are daytrading intraday setups and receiving tick by tick unfiltered data feed; you should elect for the fastest connection possible of course. Otherwise it doesn't really matter.
Cable > Modem > Computer or Satellite > Modem > Computer should be the fastest.

Having a router in the middle is not a big deal in my opinion :-)
Just avoid wireless and mobile broadband

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I'll say a VPS, with Cable > modem > computer for the usual remote connection to it, and a 3G cell phone for emergencies (just to click on "Close all positions" ).

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I'll say a VPS, with Cable > modem > computer for the usual remote connection to it, and a 3G cell phone for emergencies (just to click on "Close all positions" ).


Sorry, Sam .... VPS ??


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Sorry, Sam .... VPS ??

Sorry, Virtual Private Server.
I made a small video for "The Battle of the Bots", check here, it shows how to connect to the VPS dedicated to the battle, you will understand how it works I think. I used a smartphone there, which has to be used only for emergencies, but you can do the same thing with a multiple screens PC.

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Sorry, Virtual Private Server.
I made a small video for "The Battle of the Bots", check here, it shows how to connect to the VPS dedicated to the battle, you will understand how it works I think. I used a smartphone there, which has to be used only for emergencies, but you can do the same thing with a multiple screens PC.


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Killer... thanks


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Just in case your connectivity further deteriorates, here is a fancy backup solution, although it does not work well during the tornado season.

The connection speed is measured in wingdings per roundtrip. Specially adapted to rural areas in Tennessee.



Just in case that you cannot afford a VPS.

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Good to see someone else from Nashville running around the forum. I understand your internet connection pain, as I have learned not to trust even the local cable internet.

I have a swing trading bot and rent a dedicated server ($150/month from Softlayer) in Dallas TX for it to run on. I am a bit of a tech nerd. That is more costly than a VPS but gives the same effect, 99.99% up-time. I can remote desktop into the server and watch everything running like it is on my own PC.

I would use a server like that even if I was trading discretionarily. Make a trade, put in profit target and stop, and if my internet dies, then I would still have the peace of mind that my trade would work until completion on the server. And the charts would stay up to date while your home internet is crashed.

I would definitely take the time to investigate the VPS / dedicated server route as a means to manage the fact that your home internet is not great. I recommend the VPS as it is more cost effective, and it sounds like sam028 will steer you in the right direction.

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If you want to try one, send me a PM.


Will do brother, soon.


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Would something like a HughsNet Satellite gag be a viable option then?

I know there is a ping delay. But as long as I avoid holding positions through thick thunderstorms or
snow storms, it should be fairly robust.

Certainly much better than cellular broadband.

What do you guys think?


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Just in case your connectivity further deteriorates, here is a fancy backup solution, although it does not work well during the tornado season.

The connection speed is measured in wingdings per roundtrip. Specially adapted to rural areas in Tennessee.



Just in case that you cannot afford a VPS.


Ha Ha!!!! lol .... still considered state of the art in my area of Tennessee


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Would something like a HughsNet Satellite gag be a viable option then?

That is an expensive backup option. Most people have ready access to cellular as a backup, but installing satellite as a backup would be costly.

You don't want to use satellite as a primary connection unless you are in the middle of nowhere and can't get 3G or 4G.

And I would disagree on 'much better than cellular'. 4G cellular is faster than many people's home internet and has a respectable latency. But the convenience of 3G or 4G is that you already have it, just use your phone to broadcast a wi-fi signal to your desktop, buy a $10 USB dongle if needed to receive the wi-fi signal, and now you have a backup internet plan.

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Good to see someone else from Nashville running around the forum. I understand your internet connection pain, as I have learned not to trust even the local cable internet.

I have a swing trading bot and rent a dedicated server ($150/month from Softlayer) in Dallas TX for it to run on. I am a bit of a tech nerd. That is more costly than a VPS but gives the same effect, 99.99% up-time. I can remote desktop into the server and watch everything running like it is on my own PC.

I would use a server like that even if I was trading discretionarily. Make a trade, put in profit target and stop, and if my internet dies, then I would still have the peace of mind that my trade would work until completion on the server. And the charts would stay up to date while your home internet is crashed.

I would definitely take the time to investigate the VPS / dedicated server route as a means to manage the fact that your home internet is not great. I recommend the VPS as it is more cost effective, and it sounds like sam028 will steer you in the right direction.

Luger


I think you guys have just solved my rural woes!!!


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That is an expensive backup option. Most people have ready access to cellular as a backup, but installing satellite as a backup would be costly.

You don't want to use satellite as a primary connection unless you are in the middle of nowhere and can't get 3G or 4G.

And I would disagree on 'much better than cellular'. 4G cellular is faster than many people's home internet and has a respectable latency. But the convenience of 3G or 4G is that you already have it, just use your phone to broadcast a wi-fi signal to your desktop, buy a $10 USB dongle if needed to receive the wi-fi signal, and now you have a backup internet plan.

Mike

Thanks, Mike.... I'm afraid this discussion is for my primary connection at the house... Man, I mean I live
WAY out of Nashville, in the sticks. We bought a piece of land and had to run water and power out to it.
No small distance. Every time I call the cable guys to see when they will be out in my area, they just laugh!!

My backup plan is the trading desk on speed dial!!

lol

So good .... it appears the Virtual server gag is just the ticket. I won't pursue the satellite bit.


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