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The cause of the blast is not clear and it is not known if anyone was hurt.

Nasa said SpaceX was test-firing a rocket which was due to take a satellite into space this weekend.

Pictures from the scene show a huge plume of smoke rising above the complex.

The force of the blast shook buildings several miles away.

SpaceX has used its Falcon-9 rocket to take supplies to the International Space Station (ISS).


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The engine weren't even lit!

This rocket business isn't for the faint of heart. Satellite valued at 198 million was lost as well, the vehicle and then whatever damage to the launch pad. From some people close by saying they heard 20 explosions I guarantee lots of stuff on the ground blew up ... What a shitty day ...

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The engine weren't even lit!

This rocket business isn't for the faint of heart. Satellite valued at 198 million was lost as well, the vehicle and then whatever damage to the launch pad. From some people close by saying they heard 20 explosions I guarantee lots of stuff on the ground blew up ... What a shitty day ...

Is it a new rocket or one of the recovered ones?

Hope Elon made the insurance payment this month. I can't even imagine the amount of work required to recover.

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Is it a new rocket or one of the recovered ones?

Hope Elon made the insurance payment this month. I can't even imagine the amount of work required to recover.

New rocket ... Usually insurance won't cover this sort of thing. The satellite company carries insurance and I guess it would cover it here, I don't know the fine print on that coverage.

I have some really bad feelings about this one ...

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A shame.

Interesting that it starts just below the payload shell.

Then the major bang is when the payload hits the deck, much more volatile detonation from it's fuel.

Probably some kid with an over-driven laser pointer First thing that came to mind as I used to blow up stuff all the time with my 2W (bit bigger) until dad found out I'd boosted it a tad. Mistake showing him that burned through house brick..

I must download the 1080p 60fps and have a closer look..

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A shame.

Interesting that it starts just below the payload shell.

Then the major bang is when the payload hits the deck, much more volatile detonation from it's fuel.

Probably some kid with an over-driven laser pointer First thing that came to mind as I used to blow up stuff all the time with my 2W (bit bigger) until dad found out I'd boosted it a tad. Mistake showing him that burned through house brick..

I must download the 1080p 60fps and have a closer look..

Those cameras are miles away. The first "minor" explosion you hear is the 2nd stage blowing, to me it looks like the common dome between the propellants let loose, mixed the props and then blew it all up. 2nd big explosion is the 1st stage blowing up. The payload falls at the same time but the amount of propellants onboard is a drop in the bucket compared to the rest of the vehicle.

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Something to remember is all the propellants are separated during the filling of the vehicle. I was the lead test engineer on an old stage that we blew up in Texas (not on purpose). The upper stage oxygen tank let loose at the very top in a known defect area. There was zero fire and the kerosene in the lower tank was all recovered except for maybe 200 pounds worth. There are pictures of this somewhere on the interwebs ... Also view the in flight failure, no fire in comparison to all the propellants on board, the vehicle just fell apart effectively. This one literally blew from a mixture of propellant issue, similar to the grasshopper vehicle that blew up. Big fire works.

I have some ideas on what happened but nothing to back them up except past experience. All those secondary explosions were GSE tanks on the ground which means the entire pad within 100 feet of the rocket is toast. Horrible day ... From the video you can see the sphere white ball on the far right, that's the liquid oxygen tank and it survived so I'm guessing the kerosene farm is ok as well. Probably helium and nitrogen tanks that were blowing up.

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Those cameras are miles away. The first "minor" explosion you hear is the 2nd stage blowing, to me it looks like the common dome between the propellants let loose, mixed the props and then blew it all up. 2nd big explosion is the 1st stage blowing up. The payload falls at the same time but the amount of propellants onboard is a drop in the bucket compared to the rest of the vehicle.

Indeed, I had compensated for the sound travel time in my head but I should have more clearly differentiated between explosion and smaller detonation (supersonic shock-wave). I'm assuming the payload stage propellant was more energetic if it went off.

1080p FBF does not really give a clue, wait for the report.

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Indeed, I had compensated for the sound travel time in my head but I should have more clearly differentiated between explosion and smaller detonation (supersonic shock-wave). I'm assuming the payload propellant was more energetic if it went off.

1080p FBF does not really give a clue, wait for the report.

It was probably normal hyperbolic propellants on the space craft, Isp efficiency numbers are very similar but they light on contact so more volatile that way.

Watching the video again is making me sick

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It was probably normal hyperbolic propellants on the space craft, Isp efficiency numbers are very similar but they light on contact so more volatile that way.

Watching the video again is making me sick

I can imagine. As a kid a retired friend was a senior engineer on the Saturn Vs among others. I recall him marveling that they got away with it so many times. He joked that he'd stick a lump of coal up his ass before launch and if it went wrong he'd have the diamond as severance pay The idea has kind of stuck with me in my trading.

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I can imagine. As a kid a retired friend was a senior engineer on the Saturn Vs among others. I recall him marveling that they got away with it so many times. He joked that he'd stick a lump of coal up his ass before launch and if it went wrong he'd have the diamond as severance pay The idea has kind of stuck with me in my trading.

Ya he wasn't joking. Even working there because I wasn't involved with launch there were so many things that happened that we didn't know about. I heard a few stories though months afterward that would make the hairs on my neck stand up. The day that business becomes routine I will be amazed.

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Talked to a few people on the inside and a lot of scratching heads ... Elon finally posted to Twitter today also and I read that as the same sentiment ... A kinda WTF just happened ...

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SpaceX?s Rocket Disaster Is Even Worse than Elon Musk Thought | Vanity Fair

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Some more details in this article https://spaceflightnow.com/2016/09/09/musk-no-answers-so-far-in-difficult-failure-investigation/

Was in Vegas with some old Space X buddies this weekend shooting the crap at a bachelor party, they have lots of theories for something actually able to burn but nothing to ignite it. Everything has been pushing forward up until they get to full up stage hot fire testing in Texas.

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Come on 2018.

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That's nothing. Tomorrow I announce

SPACE XX

A company that plans to colonize the whole galaxy with Supermodels.


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That's nothing. Tomorrow I announce

SPACE XX

A company that plans to colonize the whole galaxy with Supermodels.

Thats actually pretty good.

MARS does already stand for Model Agency Rating System so first phase is under way. MARS Ratings - The Modeling Agencies Rating System for Credit and Reputation (and galactic colonization)

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That's nothing. Tomorrow I announce

SPACE XX

A company that plans to colonize the whole galaxy with Supermodels.


Space.xxx a galaxy of possibilities...

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Space.xxx a galaxy of possibilities...

I knew the xxx version was soon to follow...

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I was watching StarTrek Beyond yesterday who's release was very suspciously delayed to just before the FARC vote here. Hmmm... I wonder who could have an interest in slowing Space X ?


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Probably some kid with an over-driven laser pointer

hmmm... or a maser.

Not saying it was sabotage but there a lot of it going on in space lately.

Sabotage (Beastie Boys) classical music

Spoiler alert... well hardly at this stage.

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Sabotage (Beastie Boys) classical music

I thought that part was hysterical - 'Is that classical?', 'I believe it is' (or something to that effect).

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Very much agree. Let's have a race....

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I know pretty much nothing about Space X, and, of course, I'm not alone if you are talking about detailed knowledge of the business, which is closely held.

My general take, however, is that you should expect some drastic ups and downs in any business involved in space flight at this particular time. Consider how reliable early airplanes were (or weren't), and how long it took for any new industry to become established and reliable.

I'm not surprised that some rockets have blown up. Likely many more will, before the launches can become routine.

NASA did make shuttle launches routine, but it took a long time and a lot of work, and some tragedy too. Expanding space flight out into the commercial world, where it needs to go if it is to become something ordinary, just like flying a plane, is going to take a lot of these kinds of setbacks and false starts.

It's still extremely cool that someone, anyone, is launching rockets into space. Sort of like when people first paddled their canoes very far off-shore, or however they first went out into the big ocean.

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I know pretty much nothing about Space X, and, of course, I'm not alone if you are talking about detailed knowledge of the business, which is closely held.

My general take, however, is that you should expect some drastic ups and downs in any business involved in space flight at this particular time. Consider how reliable early airplanes were (or weren't), and how long it took for any new industry to become established and reliable.

I'm not surprised that some rockets have blown up. Likely many more will, before the launches can become routine.

NASA did make shuttle launches routine, but it took a long time and a lot of work, and some tragedy too. Expanding space flight out into the commercial world, where it needs to go if it is to become something ordinary, just like flying a plane, is going to take a lot of these kinds of setbacks and false starts.

It's still extremely cool that someone, anyone, is launching rockets into space. Sort of like when people first paddled their canoes very far off-shore, or however they first went out into the big ocean.

Bob.

Also don't forget there were 135 shuttle launches... 2 missions ended in failure with complete loss of craft and life.

Space X have launched 29 rockets and have had 2 failures. Luckily without loss of life.

It will take time, it will get safer, but there will also be an element of danger riding an explosive device into space.

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Also don't forget there were 135 shuttle launches... 2 missions ended in failure with complete loss of craft and life.

Space X have launched 29 rockets and have had 2 failures. Luckily without loss of life.

It will take time, it will get safer, but there will also be an element of danger riding an explosive device into space.

Calling it an explosive device is right on. In fact, it's an explosive device that is exploding right underneath you, and you just hope it stays contained long enough that you can live through it.

There's just an amazing level of both courage and ingenuity at work in all this. My hat's off to all of them, no matter what the role they may play.

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Good. They need to get back up on that horse.

I do hope they figured out the fix, and it was the helium thing. It will not be good at all if there's another accident. Only way to find out is to launch again, I guess. These things happen, and I hope the next launch goes well.

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Off topic, interesting story on Musk and Tunnels...

Bloomberg :- Elon Musk Is Really Boring
The billionaire visionary is digging in on a tunnel project to skirt gridlock, but thereís a hole in his Trump-era business bet.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2017-02-16/elon-musk-is-really-boring

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Off topic, interesting story on Musk and Tunnels...

Bloomberg :- Elon Musk Is Really Boring
The billionaire visionary is digging in on a tunnel project to skirt gridlock, but thereís a hole in his Trump-era business bet.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2017-02-16/elon-musk-is-really-boring




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Pretty cool bit of history, but this made me think of too many SF movies:


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I was at JSC/NASA yesterday, first time there in about 15 years. It was interesting, obviously they have lots of Apollo, Shuttle & Space Station exhibits, but there is a huge emphasis on Mars Mars Mars, even to the point that they talked about how they've contracted out their space station transfer needs, so that they could focus on Mars Mars Mars!

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Tomorrow about 6:27 PM eastern. Space X will relaunch a Falcon 9 for the first time.

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what's that thing that's pulsating rings off to the right?

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what's that thing that's pulsating rings off to the right?

Booster stage after separation. This is one of the first times we have had this kind of shot. Usually it is over the ocean off Pacific so we don't get this kind of angle and view.

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Booster stage after separation. This is one of the first times we have had this kind of shot. Usually it is over the ocean off Pacific so we don't get this kind of angle and view.

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yeah but those rings pulsating off it doesn't make sense after it has separated, what purpose do they have when it's not even attached to the rocket?

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yeah but those rings pulsating off it doesn't make sense after it has separated, what purpose do they have when it's not even attached to the rocket?

It's the exhaust of the rocket, it is tumbling causing it to appear that way.

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Highly classified US spy satellite appears to be a total loss after SpaceX launch

Did SpaceX or Northrop Grumman screw up a secret satellite launch? Itís classified

Did SpaceXís secret Zuma mission actually fail?

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I doubt it failed. Smells like cover story for 'secret' sat. I am just waiting for the day a person spots it in orbit.

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VERY cool!! Thanks for the reminder, Terry!!
I think they should have had some choice songs from 'Heavy Metal', but it was awesome, regardless.

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Observatory Spots Elon Musk's Tesla Roadster Zooming Through Space (Video)

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Elon deleted Space X, Telsa, and his own Facebook pages.

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TheVerge: SpaceX loses the center core of its Falcon Heavy rocket due to choppy seas
It landed on its drone ship, but the ocean was too rough to keep it there


I had heard it landed, but not that it then fell off the barge in high seas!

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Audience: "Charlie, one of my favorite lines from you is you want to hire the guy with an IQ of 130 that thinks it is 120 and the guy with an IQ of 150 that thinks it is 170 will just kill you"

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Audience: "Charlie, one of my favorite lines from you is you want to hire the guy with an IQ of 130 that thinks it is 120 and the guy with an IQ of 150 that thinks it is 170 will just kill you"

Charlie: "You must be thinking of Elon Musk"


Good clip. But it's not just, or even mainly, about Musk.

Not to say anything for or against Elon Musk, but I watched the clip to the end and he also says that you shouldn't "underestimate the man who overestimates himself," which is also food for thought. (He doesn't care for that person, mind you, but he knows there is such a thing.)

He says that he prefers the "prudent person" over the "delusional" one who occasionally knocks it out of the park. But he is talking about who he would hire to work for him. I'd want a reliable, solid type of person too, if I were hiring someone to work for me. I'd want predictability. Brilliance would be OK, but I'd want to know they'd get the job done. Of course, I would be the one telling them the job I wanted done.

Change the context a little though.... If you had the idea about yourself that you would become one of the wealthiest people on earth, then I would say that, no matter what your IQ is, that's a pretty delusional idea on the face of it. Yet both Charlie Munger and Warren Buffet have done just that.

I'm not criticizing either the original post nor, certainly, Charlie Munger, and I hesitate to praise Musk too much, given his problems with Tesla (so far) and given the probably excessive praise that has been heaped on him. We don't know what the scoreboard will eventually show on him (Tesla: currently troubled, Space X: pretty amazing. But no final score on either.)

But while a person might regard Buffet and Munger as the height of sober, prudent, sound investing acumen, let's face it, there are a whole lot of careful, sober, prudent investors who are not among the top rank of the world's multi-billionaires, and who won't ever be. Aiming to succeed that big is pretty delusional, until you do succeed, and then it's not. Buffet's investing style, after all, was always different from what everyone else was doing, and it worked out pretty well.

Is there a point here? Well, I guess it's just to not automatically underestimate the "delusional" ones. They may not be that crazy after all. You should also know that most of the big thinkers flop, which is the other side of it. Then you can decide where you want to be yourself. ( )

And no, I wouldn't hire an Elon Musk. I might back him, but only with risk capital I were willing to lose.... Same goes with Buffet though -- even now, there is no assurance his next moves will work out. (And yes, he's got a much better track record than anybody. But he didn't in the beginning, and that was the best time to back him, when his future results were not known. Funny how that works.)

But I hope my point is clear anyway.... Exceptional results are scarce and you really can't predict them. The somewhat-smart, reliable follower of directions will follow orders very well, perhaps even with some initiative and originality. But won't ever make a billion dollars.

This was a great quote. I always like Charlie Munger -- he stimulates thinking, whether in agreement or disagreement with him (or semi-agreement .)

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Not to say anything for or against Elon Musk, but I watched the clip to the end and he also says that you shouldn't "underestimate the man who overestimates himself," which is also food for thought. (He doesn't care for that person, mind you, but he knows there is such a thing.)


I forgot about that great quote. Both are just so fantastic and especially in conjunction. Having 95yo Charlie around still is such a gift. The whole talk is worth listening to.

I really have nothing against Musk. I think it is a shame there are not more people willing to take huge risks.

Peter Thiel makes such a great point that we have only had innovation in the world of bits and have pretty much given up on innovation in the world of atoms. Musk is really the only one trying to do anything in the world of atoms.

Personally, I just dislike all the cult of personality/twitter/rock star bullshit that surrounds him.

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Slightly off topic (there isn't a Blue Origin thread) and almost a month old, but SpaceX enthusiasts will probably find this WSJ article interesting.

WSJ :- Can Jeff Bezos Make Money in Space?
https://www.wsj.com/articles/can-jeff-bezos-make-money-in-space-11554975000

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WSJ :- Can Jeff Bezos Make Money in Space?
https://www.wsj.com/articles/can-jeff-bezos-make-money-in-space-11554975000

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Damn they just scrubbed it due to weather

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