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Since I don't know, does anyone have any idea how much fossil fuel is required to produce the Tesla and other cars like it? From the mining companies that mine the rare earth minerals to the steel in the frame and carbon based plastics in the car, it seems lots of carbon is being used to produce this "clean" car. Also, the technology required probably produces a lot of highly toxic industrial waste in its production. Any idea how much of this is produced and what they do with it? What about the mining process? If the idea is to have an environmentally friendly car, how does strip mining the needed minerals to produce this car and others like it help the environment?

I love the idea of a car that uses only electricity but I wonder about the claim "clean" if the only carbon it displaces is the actual burning of gas during operation. And does it only use electricity from "clean" sources or does it run on coal, gas and nuclear produced electricity as well?

Other than the clean claim, I think this is a great car, expensive to be sure but still a well done car that could perhaps have mass appeal once the price of the tech comes down some more.

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Since I don't know, does anyone have any idea how much fossil fuel is required to produce the Tesla and other cars like it? From the mining companies that mine the rare earth minerals to the steel in the frame and carbon based plastics in the car, it seems lots of carbon is being used to produce this "clean" car. Also, the technology required probably produces a lot of highly toxic industrial waste in its production. Any idea how much of this is produced and what they do with it? What about the mining process? If the idea is to have an environmentally friendly car, how does strip mining the needed minerals to produce this car and others like it help the environment?

I love the idea of a car that uses only electricity but I wonder about the claim "clean" if the only carbon it displaces is the actual burning of gas during operation. And does it only use electricity from "clean" sources or does it run on coal, gas and nuclear produced electricity as well?

Other than the clean claim, I think this is a great car, expensive to be sure but still a well done car that could perhaps have mass appeal once the price of the tech comes down some more.

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UT researchers find China's pollution related to E-cars may be more harmful than gasoline cars

Electric cars have been heralded as environmentally friendly, but findings from University of Tennessee researchers show that electric cars in China have an overall impact on pollution that could be more harmful to health than gasoline vehicles

Electric cars have been heralded as environmentally friendly, but findings from University of Tennessee, Knoxville, researchers show that electric cars in China have an overall impact on pollution that could be more harmful to health than gasoline vehicles.

Chris Cherry, assistant professor in civil and environmental engineering, and graduate student Shuguang Ji, analyzed the emissions and environmental health impacts of five vehicle technologies in 34 major Chinese cities, focusing on dangerous fine particles. What Cherry and his team found defies conventional logic: electric cars cause much more overall harmful particulate matter pollution than gasoline cars.

"An implicit assumption has been that air quality and health impacts are lower for electric vehicles than for conventional vehicles," Cherry said. "Our findings challenge that by comparing what is emitted by vehicle use to what people are actually exposed to. Prior studies have only examined environmental impacts by comparing emission factors or greenhouse gas emissions."

Particulate matter includes acids, organic chemicals, metals, and soil or dust particles. It is also generated through the combustion of fossil fuels.

For electric vehicles, combustion emissions occur where electricity is generated rather than where the vehicle is used. In China, 85 percent of electricity production is from fossil fuels, about 90 percent of that is from coal. The authors discovered that the power generated in China to operate electric vehicles emit fine particles at a much higher rate than gasoline vehicles. However, because the emissions related to the electric vehicles often come from power plants located away from population centers, people breathe in the emissions a lower rate than they do emissions from conventional vehicles.

Still, the rate isn't low enough to level the playing field between the vehicles. In terms of air pollution impacts, electric cars are more harmful to public health per kilometer traveled in China than conventional vehicles.

"The study emphasizes that electric vehicles are attractive if they are powered by a clean energy source," Cherry said."In China and elsewhere, it is important to focus on deploying electric vehicles in cities with cleaner electricity generation and focusing on improving emissions controls in higher polluting power sectors."

The researchers estimated health impacts in China using overall emission data and emission rates from literature for five vehicle types—gasoline and diesel cars, diesel buses, e-bikes and e-cars—and then calculated the proportion of emissions inhaled by the population.

E-cars' impact was lower than diesel cars but equal to diesel buses. E-bikes yielded the lowest environmental health impacts per passenger per kilometer.

"Our calculations show that an increase in electric bike usage improves air quality and environmental health by displacing the use of other more polluting modes of transportation," Cherry said. "E-bikes, which are battery-powered, continue to be an environmentally friendly and efficient mode of transportation."

The findings also highlight the importance of considering exposures and the proximity of emissions to people when evaluating environmental health impacts for electric vehicles. They also illuminate the distributional impact of moving pollution out of cities. For electric vehicles, about half of the urban emissions are inhaled by rural populations, who generally have lower incomes.

The findings are published in the journal Environmental Science and Technology.

Cherry worked with Matthew Bechle and Julian Marshall from the University of Minnesota and Ye Wu from Tsinghua University in Beijing. The scientists conducted their study in China because of the popularity of e-bikes and e-cars and the country's rapid growth. Electric vehicles in China outnumber conventional vehicles 2:1. E-bikes in China are the single largest adoption of alternative fuel vehicles in history, with over 100 million vehicles purchased in the past decade, more than all other countries combined.

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This study is funded by the National Science Foundation's Faculty Early Career Development (CAREER) award. The prestigious CAREER award supports junior faculty who exemplify the role of teacher-scholars through outstanding research, excellent education, and the integration of education and research within the context of the mission of their organizations. Cherry received his award in 2011.

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Besides pollution, the impact of gasoline on family spending is getting heavier and heavier, even worst in Europe where fuel is much more expensive, that is IMO the real focus of alternative vs standard vehicles.

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Do you have a TESLA, or just the stock? Are you going to hold on to the stock? That parabolic move looks like some kind of climax to me. IMHO.

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Do you have a TESLA, or just the stock? Are you going to hold on to the stock? That parabolic move looks like some kind of climax to me. IMHO.

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I do not own a Tesla, although if they produce a large enough SUV one day I will likely buy one.

I own it in my IRA, it's a long term hold for me -- at least based on my current thinking. So that means hold it and BTFD's when they happen.

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I saw one yesterday when riding my bike. Didn't get a great look since it was in front of me, but it definitely stood out from the pack.

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Tesla's first quarterly profit, the reason for this jump up, was entirely due to creative accounting on the books and not due to increased sales, lower costs, whathaveyou. Re Bloomberg West report. Beware!

Yes, electric cars do have environmental effects from their manufacturing, as all cars do, but beware the Exxon and other oil company sponsored research that discredits them. A city full of electric transport would be heaven, atmosphere-wise, and I look forward to owning an electric car in future.

Update: The Consumer Reports info below only drops 1 point out of 100 off when the large LCD screen in the car distracts the driver far too much from driving. Worse than a mobile phone possibly?? Sounds like a pump and dump scheme underway to me. Sorry!

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Source: Tesla Model S earns 99 out of 100 score from Consumer Reports [w/video]



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I've been rooting for Tesla since the Roaster came out, and I have to say they exceeded my expectations with their Tesla S. I've seen several in person now and on the road, and they're absolutely beautiful. If I were to purchase a car around that price range I'd choose it over a 5 Series or E Class any day.

I think their warranty & service program is really going to help push them over the edge as far as exposure and happiness with the product. I don't have enough posts yet to post a link to it, but it really goes above and beyond.

One of my biggest worries with electric or hybrid vehicles is the reliability and extra service expense that they could incur if something were to go wrong. What they're essentially doing now is eliminating this concern, and creating a safety net for those who are skeptical since they are such a new company.

I think sales will start to close the gap with other luxury brands when they release their $30k-$35k vehicle.

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Actually they just switched creditors. Instead of the US government now it is Goldman Sachs....

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Did not see this thread before...thought I would chime in. I am a shareholder and reservation holder on their Model X. Like Mike, long term hold for me although my initial investment tripled in such a short time I could not resist taking some off the table when it hit 90 leaving my original investment intact.

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Did not see this thread before...thought I would chime in. I am a shareholder and reservation holder on their Model X. Like Mike, long term hold for me although my initial investment tripled in such a short time I could not resist taking some off the table when it hit 90 leaving my original investment intact.

GO TSLA!

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Elon does a great job with his vision, as usual.

But there are still some more concerns for people like myself. I do the majority of my driving within a 50 mile round-trip radius, and therefore would be perfectly fine 90% of the time.

But, I do drive to my grandmothers house about once every 6 weeks, and it's very near the maximum range of the Model S in terms of round trip. And while there might possibly be a Tesla station around DFW, it is highly unlikely it would be anywhere near my actual preferred route, so more or less not useful to me.

I realize I could plug the car in at my grandmothers house, but it just seems a bit "weird" to me still. I would be parked in her driveway, and what, run an extension cable to an outlet in the garage while we sit and talked?

It does surprise me that he is investing this much in infrastructure (I think he said 500K per station). I think by the end of the year there are supposed to be 50 stations. And by the end of 2015 something like 200 stations. That's 100M just in the battery swap infrastructure alone.

It seems like all the money should still be put on the R&D side into the batteries themselves. I realize 100M by itself isn't enough to greatly advance that area. So I guess that was the decision Elon made, that there is enough demand for this to justify 100M vs the prospect of increasing the capacity of the batteries.

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But there are still some more concerns for people like myself. I do the majority of my driving within a 50 mile round-trip radius, and therefore would be perfectly fine 90% of the time.
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To compensate for the current high-end pricing (until sales significantly increased), only business sales persons who drive long distances would benefit, which they are unable to do at this time. To own one at today's prices isn't financially justifiable for those driving short distances to work and back. Get a cheap economy car for that. Elon needs to satisfy his capital investors medium-term. If Washington is behind it, and I think they are given the press Tesla has received, then his investors could pull out.

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Given that the goal was reached, White House staff must now review the petition, ensure it's sent to the appropriate policy experts, and issue an official response.

Amid the success of the petition, Tesla CEO Elon Musk tweeted "Woohoo, Tesla direct sales petition passed the 100k threshold! Thanks a lot to everyone that helped!!"

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Jack Bowers and Georg Kuhnke, driving a Tesla Model S, finished first with about 41 hours of driving time.

Terry Hershner, riding a modified Zero S electric motorcycle, finished second with about 52 hours of riding time.

Randy and Cheryl Taylor, Canadians driving a Tesla Model S, came in third with about 57 hours of driving time.

David and Helen Kiker, from Redmond, Ore., also driving a Tesla Model S, came in fourth, also with about 57 hours of driving time.

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Tony Williams, of San Diego, driving a second generation Toyota RAV4 EV, came in sixth with around 74 hours of driving time.

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The first thing I thought when I read this article is that it sounds like someone trying to justify being short TSLA, skimmed through it again, lo and behold



The author makes unreasonable assumptions about pricing on a 3 series, likely the average selling price for a new 3 series is the high 40's, which would include sales from the 320i (the new bargain beemer), hell my 1-series had an msrp 45.

Also the Model S already sells at a huge premium to a 5 series, and an Audi A6, but no one seems to mind. So how competitive a future Tesla model might be might not have much to do with the price, as long as its not unreasonable.

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The first thing I thought when I read this article is that it sounds like someone trying to justify being short TSLA, skimmed through it again, lo and behold



The author makes unreasonable assumptions about pricing on a 3 series, likely the average selling price for a new 3 series is the high 40's, which would include sales from the 320i (the new bargain beemer), hell my 1-series had an msrp 45.

Also the Model S already sells at a huge premium to a 5 series, and an Audi A6, but no one seems to mind. So how competitive a future Tesla model might be might not have much to do with the price, as long as its not unreasonable.

Yes, he must be in some real pain. I am still long and up over 200%.



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Yes, he must be in some real pain. I am still long and up over 200%.

If you ever traded in the roaring late 90s, you know that stock prices and company profitabilities don't have to be both great. Webvan and pets.com come to my mind...

TSLA as a company is very far away from being profitable, it is the huge expectations that sends the stock's price upward. Eventually reality will come...

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Saw my first ever UK TESLA chargepoint here Tebay Services | Westmorland at the weekend, also happens to be the best services on the UK motorway network.

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Who actually pays for those charging stations, Tesla, the government? I thought the owners can use it for free, but somebody still has to install and maintain them.

Also, what happens when there are more EVs and you have to wait for others too, not just your recharging???

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Who actually pays for those charging stations, Tesla, the government? I thought the owners can use it for free, but somebody still has to install and maintain them.

Also, what happens when there are more EVs and you have to wait for others too, not just your recharging???

Cripes. You'll be saying that aeroplanes can't fly or metal ships can't float next. Guessing they started somewhat smaller too. Boris has the same problem with the bikes in London, it's a real problem when folks want to use too much of your product, can't think how that might be solved!

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Who actually pays for those charging stations, Tesla, the government? I thought the owners can use it for free, but somebody still has to install and maintain them.

Also, what happens when there are more EVs and you have to wait for others too, not just your recharging???

Tesla pays, for life, as of now. An incentive of buying the car. The supercharger stations are also getting retrofitted with battery swaps, which can be done in 3 minutes or something like that by the automated robot. Video in this thread.

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Cripes. You'll be saying that aeroplanes can't fly or metal ships can't float next.

I mean seriously. Just answer my question. Now they throw these supercharges in as freebies because they want to make it popular, but if it really gets popular (price of car, hello?) the free for all goes away.

Making a hybrid, or a cheapshit car like the Indians do with a 1L engine and no extras just plastic makes more sense for a commuter car at this point.

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I mean seriously. Just answer my question. Now they throw these supercharges in as freebies because they want to make it popular, but if it really gets popular (price of car, hello?) the free for all goes away.

I did.

Seriously - because I think you massively underestimate the technological progress that our children will see in the next century that will make even the changes of the last 20 years seem like small fry.

Practically - because there will be serious problems and hiccups like you mention to solve along the way, but there is no better mechanism than the free market for doing so. Whether we get back to having one is of course an open question. Thousands of companies like Tesla and SpaceX are sure as hell giving it a good go.

And tongue in cheekily - because your general negative attitude to all topics and posters had irked me in another user's journal. I apologise for that - I should be more mature - but I really would like to see what a positive Pedro loves and likes and does and wants to share?


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Making a hybrid, or a cheapshit car like the Indians do with a 1L engine and no extras just plastic makes more sense for a commuter car at this point.

I guess that's why the same company build Jaguars and Landrovers then? See, I just can't help myself.


Off Topic out of Closet Footnote: (Except that sadly I think it will likely be in parallel with the death and destruction of the current financialised empires, much like the end of the Roman one. The gaps between have's and have not's will continue to grow, wars over resources are likely. However I think the world will get through, unless Duncan's right and the power grids go down in the next year or two then I'll go back to being my original Prechter/Olduvai inspired end of the world permabear self as well. For now I'll stick with a Fourth Turning generational blood on the streets passage to come in parallel with new positive long term Gann cycles starting.)

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Seriously - because I think you massively underestimate the technological progress that our children will see in the next century that will make even the changes of the last 20 years seem like small fry.

I don't know. This peak oil and peak water and peak anything kind of questions everything, unless we have a nice worldwide epidemic whipping out a nice chunk of humankind.


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Practically - because there will be serious problems and hiccups like you mention to solve along the way, but there is no better mechanism than the free market for doing so.

Oh the free markets! By the free markets Tesla wouldn't even exist. The government gave them the first start up loan that now is owned by Goldman Sachs. Their biggest competitor went out of business. So much about free markets...

One more point, the oil/car lobby would kill the electric car if the government wouldn't protect the idea....


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because your general negative attitude to all topics and posters

It is called reality, get on with it...

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About switching batteries. It is like switching horses in the Wild West. I have a really good young horse, and should I leave it behind for an old, slow, dying buck? The same deal if I have a brand new battery in my Tesla and they just switch it for a 5 years old crappy one.

But of course it is my negative attitude what the problem is.

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About switching batteries. It is like switching horses in the Wild West. I have a really good young horse, and should I leave it behind for an old, slow, dying buck? The same deal if I have a brand new battery in my Tesla and they just switch it for a 5 years old crappy one.

But of course it is my negative attitude what the problem is.

Too bad you don't read, or you wouldn't reach such baseless decisions. I provided info in this very thread on this very subject that tells you exactly how the process works. Which is not at all how you have described it.

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This week, we get to look into the Model S factory in Fremont, California, courtesy of Tesla and Wired. The video, embedded below, shows the stunning process a Model S goes through on the factory floors, starting as simple giant spools of rolled up aluminum.

Tesla’s manufacturing plant is putting out 400 cars a week--more than ever before for Tesla, but a relatively small number compared to major automakers. What’s truly awesome about the plant is the level of automation incorporated into the process.

Tesla bought the factory from Toyota in 2010, and spent the subsequent year and a half retooling the line with 160 robotic mechanics that assist the 3,000 line workers in every part of the assembly process.

The video briefly documents the process from raw material to completed assembly, and nearly every part of it is done in house at the Tesla factory. The giant articulating arms dwarf their human counterparts, and move in optimized patterns of motion to work as efficiently as possible.

A Model S takes about 3-5 days to make it to the end of the manufacturing process, and is a work of art by the time it rolls onto pavement. Check out the video below.



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New highs on TSLA while I was in Ecuador.

Also was interesting reading about Elon's concept for the Hyperloop transport.

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In a independent validation of the Model S's roof crush strength, Tesla said, the car's roof was so strong that it broke the testing machine. In fact, according to Tesla, four fully loaded Model S sedans could be placed on top of a Model S without crushing the roof.

Tesla also pointed out that, so far, no Tesla batteries have ever caught fire even after high speed impacts.

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The guy who just purchased my company owns the S and the Roadster.

I have ridden in the S.. No reviews yet. I have not driven it very far.

Now for the Roadster, I did not like it.
For comparisons sake I drive a Z3M as my fun car. It is bone stock.

The Tesla Roadster has a very heavy rear end and it will get twitchy in the corners, where my Z will not twitch taking the same corners at the same speed or even faster.

The other draw back is they do not have a top end. If you are cruising at 70 and stomp it you will eventually hit 85-90.
My car cruising at 70 5th gear... drop it to 3rd and she will hit 100 in hurry and I still have 2 more gears!

I also did not like how the car lunges forward when you take your foot off the pedal. I guess One could learn how to regulate this a little better just by knowing the car.

I have a friend who has an electric motocross bike and it does the same thing. Kind of a bitch when you are trying o jump it because you cannot let off the throttle at the top of the jump and pull in the clutch.. Again, I guess it is just getting used to the operation of the bike.

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Personally, I sold half of my TSLA position today after a run up of 270% or so. I didn't want to get overly cocky, lol.

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I think Elon Musk has an incredibly creative mind...he'll go down as another Steve Jobs...Imagine what he has left for innovative concepts that could completely change the world....

Well done Tesla and Elon i say!

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Personally, I sold half of my TSLA position today after a run up of 270% or so. I didn't want to get overly cocky, lol.

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@Big Mike , would you consider posting the pattern or entry?...i would be interested as a swing trader to see that...multi baggers like that deserve a chart!

Sure when I get back to office

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@Big Mike , would you consider posting the pattern or entry?...i would be interested as a swing trader to see that...multi baggers like that deserve a chart!

I don't want to make it seem like TSLA is a normal return for me. The stock obviously has exploded.

But the rule to enter and exit is quite normal for me.



Entered after volume spike in direction of support

Exited top of channel after weakening interest

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Stellar run...well done.

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Here is direct link until I fix the youtube embed script:

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Elon at it again



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I sold half of my remaining TSLA shares earlier this week. I bought Solar City, just in time for today's pop +24%



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But he doesn't plan to leave it as just a prop: "What I'm going to do is upgrade it with a Tesla electric powertrain and try to make it transform for real." Of course, Musk is no stranger to making high-tech toys and science fiction a reality, so making Bond's iconic Lotus Esprit actually transform should be well within his abilities.

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What do you guys think about the stock? I have to admit that I am a fan of the company, and Elon Musk his work. However, I don't like the stock. I have been short the stock with an options structure since a little before the 'fire incident' and things are going fairly well.

Imho the valuation is at nosebleed levels, institutional ownership is dropping, however momentum behind the name maintains.

In summary potential catalysts are/ were:
  • $660 million convertible bonds issued in May become freely convertible (at $124) into common shares on October 1st could provide some additional selling pressure.
  • Corporate earnings on Nov 4th.
  • Institutional Ownership declining for 84% to 66% and dropping.

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Institutional ownership of Tesla stock has faded throughout 2013, from approximately 84% of shares held in January to about 66% today As a result, it now appears that retail investors are playing an increasing role in driving the stock price higher and could be at risk when a correction, which we believe is long overdue, ultimately occurs.

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What do you guys think about the stock? I have to admit that I am a fan of the company, and Elon Musk his work. However, I don't like the stock. I have been short the stock with an options structure since a little before the 'fire incident' and things are going fairly well.

Imho the valuation is at nosebleed levels, institutional ownership is dropping, however momentum behind the name maintains.

In summary potential catalysts are/ were:
  • $660 million convertible bonds issued in May become freely convertible (at $124) into common shares on October 1st could provide some additional selling pressure.
  • Corporate earnings on Nov 4th.
  • Institutional Ownership declining for 84% to 66% and dropping.

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Institutional ownership of Tesla stock has faded throughout 2013, from approximately 84% of shares held in January to about 66% today As a result, it now appears that retail investors are playing an increasing role in driving the stock price higher and could be at risk when a correction, which we believe is long overdue, ultimately occurs.

I believe we'll continue to see correction. I don't think the question is whether or not there is a continued correction, but instead when/where is a good area to step in back to long side. I haven't studied the stock recently so am not going to comment on that.

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We'll have to wait and see what those new Teslas look like, but his resume immediately shows why Musk is interested in someone with his experience. Field began his career as an engineer at Ford and later served as the CTO of Segway before moving over to Apple in 2008, where he's been the VP of Mac Hardware Engineering leading development on the Macbook Air, Macbook Pro and iMac.

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On Oct. 24 -- Elon Musk, chairman of Tesla Motors, talks to Bloomberg Television's Guy Johnson at the opening of the company's first retail store in London.


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We were able to contact the driver quickly and are pleased that he is safe. This was a significant accident where the car was traveling at such a high speed that it smashed through a concrete wall and then hit a large tree, yet the driver walked away from the car with no permanent injury. He is appreciative of the safety and performance of the car and has asked if we can expedite delivery of his next Model S.

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The update comes in the new Consumer Reports Annual Auto Reliability rankings, where the Model S has been added to the "Models that now have sufficient data" list. The data combines CR's in-house tests with subscriber survey data with, CR says, 1.1 million vehicles. There were only 600 Model S EVs in that data pool, and CR says the 2012 models were holding up better than the 2013 models. The problems that drivers reported included "wind noise, squeaks and rattles, and body hardware (including the sunroof, doors, and locks)."

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The newly opened West Coast network follows Interstate 5 and US Highway 101, enabling passage across long stretches for folks otherwise tethered to a wall charge. Two demonstration vehicles are taking a 1,750-mile journey from San Diego to Vancouver (read: a PR stunt) using solely Superchargers for power along the way.

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Tesla Tumbles Following Unimpressive Earnings

Having beaten consensus earnings and revenues, it seems that the momentum stock of the year is finally getting its come-uppance as it missed whisper numbers on earnings and deliveries:

*TESLA 3Q ADJ. EPS 12C, EST. 10C (whipser ~17c)
*TESLA FINISHED 3Q WITH SLIGHTLY MORE THAN 5,500 DELIVERIES (whisper ~6,000)
*TESLA SEES 4Q NON-GAAP PROFITABILITY `CONSISTENT' WITH 3Q
This has sent the stocks down over 9% after-hours to 10 week lows... perhaps Musk was right after all.



Q4 outlook: We are continuing to expand production and plan to deliver slightly under 6,000 Model S vehicles in Q4, which increases our total expected deliveries to 21,500 vehicles worldwide for 2013. ASPs are expected to be relatively flat sequentially as we continue to see a rich mix of options on incoming orders.

Model S gross margin may continue to make slight improvements over the next several quarters as we continue to drive down manufacturing costs. While we expect to achieve our target of 25% non-GAAP automotive gross margin in Q4 (assuming no contribution from ZEV credits), further progress is likely if customers continue to purchase our vehicles with a high option take rate.

R&D expenses are expected to increase sequentially by about 25% in Q4 as we accelerate product development efforts on Model X and Model S enhancements. SG&A expenses are expected to rise sequentially by about 20%, driven by the growth in our retail locations, service centers and Supercharger facilities.

We expect our non-GAAP profitability to be about consistent with Q3, with approximately 139 million fully diluted shares outstanding based on the current level of our stock price. Free cash flow is expected to be close to breakeven.

We expect to spend about $75 to $85 million on capital expenditures for a total of approximately $250 million in 2013, as we expand our factory production capability and customer support infrastructure. All these investments, funded in part by our profitable operations, position us for further expansion of our product portfolio and global growth.

We are now producing 550 cars per week with improved process controls which consistently result in high quality cars. Consequently, we finished the quarter with a record of slightly over 5,500 deliveries, including over 1,000 deliveries to European customers.

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From a Model S owner in Tennessee | Blog | Tesla Motors




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I was driving home from work on the interstate in the right lane at approximately 70 miles per hour, following a truck. In the middle of the lane, there was a rusty three-pronged trailer hitch that was sticking up with the ball up in the air. The truck in front of me cleared the object. I did not have enough time to swerve to avoid the hitch, and it went below my car. I felt a firm "thud" as the hitch struck the bottom of the car, and it felt as though it even lifted the car up in the air. My assistant later found a gouge in the tarmac where the item scraped into the road. Somewhat shaken, I continued to drive.

About 30-45 seconds later, there was a warning on the dashboard display saying, "Car needs service. Car may not restart." I continued to drive, hoping to get home. About one minute later, the message on the dashboard display read, "Please pull over safely. Car is shutting down." I was able to fully control the car the entire time and safely pulled off the left shoulder on the side of the road. I got out of the car, and started to get all my belongings out. About 5-10 seconds after getting out of the car, smoke started to come from the front underbody of the car. I walked away from the vehicle to a distance of about 100 yards. More smoke started to come out of the bottom of the car, and about two minutes after I walked away, the front of the car caught on fire.

I am thankful to God that I was totally uninjured in any way from this impact. Had I not been in a Tesla, that object could have punched through the floor and caused me serious harm. From the time of impact of the object until the time the car caught fire was about five minutes. During this time, the car warned me that it was damaged and instructed me to pull over. I never felt as though I was in any imminent danger. While driving after I hit the object until I pulled over, the car performed perfectly, and it was a totally controlled situation. There was never a point at which I was anywhere even close to any flames.

The firemen arrived promptly and applied water to the flames. They were about to pry open the doors, so I pressed my key button and the handles presented and everything worked even though the front of the car was on fire. No flames ever reached the cabin, and nothing inside was damaged. I was even able to get my papers and pens out of the glove compartment.

This experience does not in any way make me think that the Tesla Model S is an unsafe car. I would buy another one in a heartbeat.

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Granted it will take a number of years and Tesla is having problems sourcing batteries, I wonder if the big 3 have started to realize the true threat that Musk poses to them. The battery problem will be a short lived problem from the sounds of it at least.

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The Mission of Tesla | Blog | Tesla Motors


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Our goal when we created Tesla a decade ago was the same as it is today: to accelerate the advent of sustainable transport by bringing compelling mass market electric cars to market as soon as possible. If we could have done that with our first product, we would have, but that was simply impossible to achieve for a startup company that had never built a car and that had one technology iteration and no economies of scale. Our first product was going to be expensive no matter what it looked like, so we decided to build a sports car, as that seemed like it had the best chance of being competitive with its gasoline alternatives.

I suspected that this could be misinterpreted as Tesla believing that there was a shortage of sports cars for rich people, so I described the three step “master plan” for getting to compelling and affordable electric vehicles in my first blog piece about our company. This was unfortunately almost entirely ignored.

In order to get to that end goal, big leaps in technology are required, which naturally invites a high level of scrutiny. That is fair, as new technology should be held to a higher standard than what has come before. However, there should also be some reasonable limit to how high such a standard should be, and we believe that this has been vastly exceeded in recent media coverage.

How Does the Tesla Model S Fire Risk Compare to Gasoline Cars?

Since the Model S went into production last year, there have been more than a quarter million gasoline car fires in the United States alone, resulting in over 400 deaths and approximately 1,200 serious injuries (extrapolating 2012 NFPA data). However, the three Model S fires, which only occurred after very high-speed collisions and caused no serious injuries or deaths, received more national headlines than all 250,000+ gasoline fires combined. The media coverage of Model S fires vs. gasoline car fires is disproportionate by several orders of magnitude, despite the latter actually being far more deadly.

Reading the headlines, it is therefore easy to assume that the Tesla Model S and perhaps electric cars in general have a greater propensity to catch fire than gasoline cars when nothing could be further from the truth.

Journalists with a deep knowledge of the car industry, such as the news editor of Automotive News, understand and attempt to rebut this notion, but they have been drowned out by an onslaught of popular and financial media seeking to make a sensation out of something that a simple Google search would reveal to be false. I would also like to express appreciation for the investigative journalists who took the time to research and write an accurate article.

The degree to which this is outrageous is described well in the above-mentioned Automotive News article. There are now substantially more than the 19,000 Model S vehicles on the road that were reported in our Q3 shareholder letter for an average of one fire per at least 6,333 cars, compared to the rate for gasoline vehicles of one fire per 1,350 cars. By this metric, you are more than four and a half times more likely to experience a fire in a gasoline car than a Model S! Considering the odds in the absolute, you are more likely to be struck by lightning in your lifetime than experience even a non-injurious fire in a Tesla.

Those metrics tell only part of the story. The far more deadly nature of a gasoline car fire deserves to be re-emphasized. Since the Model S went into production mid last year, there have been over 400 deaths and 1,200 serious injuries in the United States alone due to gasoline car fires, compared to zero deaths and zero injuries due to Tesla fires anywhere in the world.

There is a real, physical reason for this: a gasoline tank has 10 times more combustion energy than our battery pack. Moreover, the Model S battery pack also has internal firewalls between the 16 modules and a firewall between the battery pack and passenger compartment. This effectively limits the fire energy to a few percent that of a gasoline car and is the reason why Dr. Shibayama was able to retrieve his pens and papers from the glove compartment completely untouched after the recent fire (caused by a high speed impact with a tow hitch). It is also why arsonists tend to favor gasoline. Trying to set the side of a building on fire with a battery pack is far less effective.

What About Safety Overall?

Our primary concern is not for the safety of the vehicle, which can easily be replaced, but for the safety of our customers and the families they entrust to our cars. Based on the Model S track record so far, you have a zero percent chance of being hurt in an accident resulting in a battery fire, but what about other types of accidents? Despite multiple high-speed accidents, there have been no deaths or serious injuries in a Model S of any kind ever. Of course, at some point, the law of large numbers dictates that this, too, will change, but the record is long enough already for us to be extremely proud of this achievement. This is why the Model S achieved the lowest probability of injury of any car ever tested by the US government. The probability of injury is the most accurate statistical figure of merit, showing clearly that the Model S is safer in an accident than any other vehicle without exception. It is literally impossible for another car to have a better safety track record, as it would have to possess mystical powers of healing.

Further Actions

While we believe the evidence is clear that there is no safer car on the road than the Model S, we are taking three specific actions.

First, we have rolled out an over-the-air update to the air suspension that will result in greater ground clearance at highway speeds. To be clear, this is about reducing the chances of underbody impact damage, not improving safety. The theoretical probability of a fire injury is already vanishingly small and the actual number to date is zero. Another software update expected in January will give the driver direct control of the air suspension ride height transitions.

Second, we have requested that the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration conduct a full investigation as soon as possible into the fire incidents. While we think it is highly unlikely, if something is discovered that would result in a material improvement in occupant fire safety, we will immediately apply that change to new cars and offer it as a free retrofit to all existing cars. Given that the incidence of fires in the Model S is far lower than combustion cars and that there have been no resulting injuries, this did not at first seem like a good use of NHTSA’s time compared to the hundreds of gasoline fire deaths per year that warrant their attention. However, there is a larger issue at stake: if a false perception about the safety of electric cars is allowed to linger, it will delay the advent of sustainable transport and increase the risk of global climate change, with potentially disastrous consequences worldwide. That cannot be allowed to happen.

Third, to reinforce how strongly we feel about the low risk of fire in our cars, we will be amending our warranty policy to cover damage due to a fire, even if due to driver error. Unless a Model S owner actively tries to destroy the car, they are covered. Our goal here is to eliminate any concern about the cost of such an event and ensure that over time the Model S has the lowest insurance cost of any car at our price point. Either our belief in the safety of our car is correct and this is a minor cost or we are wrong, in which case the right thing is for Tesla to bear the cost rather than the car buyer.

All of these actions are taken in order to make clear the confidence we have in our product and to eliminate any misperceptions regarding the integrity of our technology and the safety of our cars.

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Elon Musk Named Businessperson of the Year by 'Fortune'




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Elon Musk has had a tough couple of weeks, but perhaps this will come as some consolation.

Fortune Magazine has named Musk the top businessperson of 2013 based on the revenues and stock price gains from three companies he founded — Tesla, SpaceX and SolarCity — and the "cultural impact" he has had through these and other ventures, including the much-discussed Hyperloop concept.

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TSLA trading up over 16% after being cleared by German govt probe relating to fires

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Tesla Gets $34 Million Tax Break, Adds Capacity For 35,000 More Cars - Slashdot

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DailyTech - Texas to Tesla: You Can?t Sell Your Cars Here? But Can We Have Your Battery Plant?

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Why dealerships should embrace Tesla's direct sales competition

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DailyTech - Texas Gov. Rick Perry Would Take Another Look at Anti-Direct Sales Rules for Tesla's $5B Gigafactory

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Tesla adds free titanium underbody shields to Model S to prevent fires

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Here’s what Tesla stock did on the day of and the day after its last 15 earnings reports:



Report Date % chg on report date % chg report date +1
2/19/2014 -4.94 8.43
11/5/2013 0.92 -14.51
8/7/2013 -5.57 14.34
5/8/2013 0.50 24.40
2/20/2013 -1.88 -8.77
11/5/2012 8.93 -1.11
7/25/2012 -2.98 -2.83
5/9/2012 -0.43 9.65
2/15/2012 1.30 1.73
11/2/2011 -0.59 13.06
8/3/2011 -0.51 -9.01
5/4/2011 -0.67 -0.94
2/15/2011 -1.04 8.27
11/9/2010 -1.40 19.20
8/4/2010 -3.14 -3.81

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