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Facebook Is Now Worth $58 Billion, Not The '$39 Billion' Everyone Thinks...

Facebook Shares Outstanding - Business Insider

I am not sure if the figure shown by " Yahoo Finance and Google Finance etc." are correct or if his figures are correct.

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Source: Here Are The Facebook Insiders Who Dumped Stock Just Before It Crashed - Business Insider


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Timing isn't everything in life, but it helps.

And now that Facebook's stock has been cut in half since its May IPO, it's time to compliment the clever folks who sold when everyone else was convinced that playing the Facebook IPO was pretty much a sure thing.

At the time, of course, these sellers appeared almost selfless: Demand for Facebook's stock was so intense that it seemed the inside sellers would soon look like schmoes for selling too cheap.

Alas, if there's one lesson that gets repeated endlessly on Wall Street it's that anything that seems like a free lunch almost certainly isn't.

And now, the Facebook insiders who sold on the IPO look, well, savvy.

So, who were these folks?

How much did they make?

Here are some highlights:
Mark Zuckerberg, Facebook's CEO, sold 30.2 million shares for $1.14 billion
Accel Partners, an early Facebook investor, sold 57.7 million shares for $2.1 billion
Peter Thiel, a very early Facebook investor, sold 16.8 million shares for $638 million
DST Global, a Russian investment fund, sold 45.7 million shares for $1.7 billion
Goldman Sachs, a Facebook investor, sold 24.3 million shares for $923 million
Elevation Partners, a Facebook investor, sold 4.6 million shares for $175 million
Greylock Partners, a Facebook investor, sold 7.6 million shares for $289 million
Mail.ru Group, a Russian Internet company, sold 19.6 million shares for $745 million
Mark Pincus, the CEO of Zynga, sold 1 million shares for $38 million. Mr. Pincus also dumped stock in Zynga in April, right before that stock crashed.
Meritech Capital sold 7 million shares for $266 million
Microsoft, a Facebook partner and investor, sold 6.6 million shares for $250 million
Tiger Global, a hedge fund, sold 19 million shares for $722 million
Reid Hoffman, a Silicon Valley investor, sold 943,000 shares for $36 million

In aggregate, Facebook insiders dumped 241 million shares for $9.8 billion.

Those shares are now worth $4.8 billion.

Yes, all of these Facebook insiders still own a lot of Facebook stock, so they're all getting gobsmacked by the collapse.

But still...

Nice timing!

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Source: https://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/13/technology/facebooks-stock-has-suffered-but-some-investors-see-value-now.html?pagewanted=all


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SAN FRANCISCO — The Facebook spring is over. The dog days of August have taken hold.

In May, when investors tripped over themselves to buy a piece of Facebook, not even the skeptics predicted what has happened. Three months after the offering, shares have lost more than 40 percent of their value, closing at just under $21.81 on Friday, from $38 on May 18.

The stock began to dip immediately after its debut on the public markets, and at first technical errors with the offering were blamed. But these problems did not account for the stock’s subsequent plunge, analysts and shareholders say. That decline, they say, can be traced to several factors, among them the sheer size and price of the initial offering, early exits by major investors and slowing growth.

Not least, the stock seems to have been jinxed by Facebook’s own fairy tale.

“The underwriters (and the media) did a great job of hyping Facebook leading up to the I.P.O., and the sell-side (including me) did a great job of hyping it after,” Michael Pachter with Wedbush Securities, an equity research firm, wrote in an e-mail.

Still, some investors remain bullish. Facebook is profitable, it keeps its nearly one billion users glued to their screens longer than any other Internet site, and it is aggressively experimenting with new ways to drum up advertising — its main source of revenue. Just this month, for instance, it began offering application developers a way to focus ads, and sought to diversify revenue by opening its site in Britain to online gambling.

The next test for the stock could come soon. Over 1.6 billion shares will be eligible to come on the market in several waves, starting on Thursday, when a number of shareholders are allowed to sell. Investors may fear that an influx of shares could cause prices to fall even more.

“It becomes a company perceived as vulnerable rather than invincible,” said David B. Yoffie, a Harvard Business School professor who sits on several technology company boards, though none that relate to or compete with Facebook.

Facebook executives say they remain focused on expanding. They declined to comment on the stock price, but in late July, in a conference call with analysts to discuss the second-quarter earnings, David Ebersman, the company’s chief financial officer, said he was “disappointed” in the stock dive. On Friday, Mr. Ebersman was in New York speaking to investors, current and potential.

One former Facebook employee, who did not want to be named because he did not want to damage his relationship with onetime co-workers, said he expected other employees to cash in their stock options as soon as they could, and predicted that the stock’s woes could make it difficult to retain and hire talent. He no longer owns Facebook stock.

The former employee pointed out that many of the company’s early big backers — including Peter Thiel, an original angel investor, and Accel Partners, one of its first venture capital investors — sold a hefty portion of their shares at the peak price.

Mark Zuckerberg, a co-founder and chief executive, sold a portion of his shares in the offering, to meet his tax bills, the company said. All told, the early backers sold over $9 billion in shares. They still own significant amounts.

Kevin Landis, chief investment officer of Firsthand Funds, an asset management firm, now has to weigh what to do with his piece of Facebook. Late last year, he bought what were then coveted Facebook shares on the private market. On average, his shares are now worth about two-thirds of what he paid. Under the purchase terms, he may not sell until late this year.

It’s not “a good feeling,” he said, but he added that he remained confident that with so many users and so much data about them, Facebook was destined to be the most lucrative advertising platform in the world.

“Right now there’s a separation between the people who bought in because it was hot and the people who believed it could be one of the most valuable franchises,” Mr. Landis added.

The company certainly was hot earlier this year. The public offering was pegged at a market value of over $100 billion. And the company’s growth figures seemed extremely alluring.

Facebook raised its user base at rocket speed since its start in 2004, to 845 million in February. Revenues swelled to nearly $4 billion in 2011 — nearly a fivefold increase in two years. Facebook was only beginning to figure out how to make money from the stream of personal data that its users reveal about themselves.

The company’s Wall Street debut was the biggest to come out of Silicon Valley, far bigger than Google’s in 2004 or Netscape’s a decade earlier.

But Google did not set hard-to-beat expectations, and by the time it went public it had a sure way to make money. Apple has typically set low expectations, and just as typically surpasses them.

After its early dip, Facebook’s stock rallied briefly in early June and settled at just under $30 by July. But in late July, it took a hit when Zynga, which makes games to play on Facebook and shares revenue with the company, reported weak earnings. The next morning, after Facebook’s own earnings report, its shares slid again.

In the end, the performance of the company is what will matter. Right now, Facebook’s immediate challenge is making money on mobile, where more than half its worldwide users are logging in. It has only recently and cautiously started advertising in the mobile arena. Regulatory scrutiny also continues to be a risk, depending on how the company handles user data.

After the earnings report, Facebook executives said their experiments in increasing revenue were bearing fruit. The chief operating officer, Sheryl Sandberg, said in the analysts’ call that Sponsored Stories, a form of Facebook advertising, was bringing in $1 million every day, half of which came from mobile users. Sponsored Stories turn a Facebook user’s “like” of a brand page into brand endorsements to his or her friends.

But Sponsored Stories are also the subject of a federal class-action suit in California. A pending settlement could be costly.

The company reported that revenue increased 32 percent in the second quarter, to $1.18 billion, compared with 45 percent in the first quarter. From the second quarter of 2010, and in all of 2011, revenue expanded by 88 percent.

Ms. Sandberg said it would take more time for marketers to figure out Facebook. “It took a long time for the TV market for advertising to be understood,” she told analysts. “We are still in the learning curve.”

The morning after that earnings call, Morningstar Inc., the investment research firm, predicted that the stock would continue falling for the next several quarters and advised investors to buy only when it falls to $19.20.

The price has hovered near $20 since. Last week, Reed Hastings, the chief of Netflix and a Facebook board member, bought more than $1 million of shares, at an average price of $21.03.

Mr. Pachter said he had begun to detect anticipation. Some prospective investors are asking him: “When does it get stupid cheap?”

Evelyn M. Rusli contributed reporting from New York.



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According to different sources - here a citation from Bloomberg today:

"Lockups End

Facebook will have several lockup expirations. The first, on Aug. 16, is for stockholders other than Chief Executive Officer Mark Zuckerberg who sold some of their shares in the IPO. Then other shareholders, including employees, will be able to sell at later dates. A final round comes in May 2013. "

( Facebook?s Drop Limits Goldman Sachs Gain as Lockup Ends - Bloomberg)

From other sources it is told that FOUR times the stocks that are currently freely traded are under the "IPO lockup scenario".
So within 9 months further 1.9 Billion shares will flood the market. This of course might mix up the volume and the price of the stock. Today's free float stock reaches 421 Million.

Price is expected to erode more.

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Source: Facebook now worst performing IPO on record according to Bloomberg - SlashGear


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Mark Zuckerberg is still rich to the tune of $10.2 billion, if you were wondering, but that’s a whole lot less than he had when Facebook first went up for its initial public offering on the public stock market. Facebook today hit a brand new low, closing at $19.87 a share but dipping mid-day to $19.69, the lowest the social network’s worth has ever been. Facebook is currently down 48% from its original $38 per share offering price at the start, the company sitting at $48 billion in market capitalization – this down more than $40 billion since stocks became available.

While Facebook did raise $16 billion in its IPO, the largest amount in history for a technology firm, it’s also the “worst performer among all large IPOs on record”, so says data compiled by Bloomberg. This information also lets us know that the social network has not necessarily convinced the market that they’re worth investing in on a public sale. It does, on the other hand, appear to be having little effect on Zuckerberg’s public word on the company.

According to David Kirkpatrick, author of “The Facebook Effect,” a history of the company, Zuckerberg is quite likely not worried about the stock prices at the moment. Speaking with Bloomberg on the topic, Kirkpatrick let it be known that Zuckerberg more than likely has other things on his mind.

“[Zuckerberg] thinks of it only in terms of how it affects the company’s strategic and tactical opportunities.” – Kirkpatrick

Have a peek at the timeline below to see how Facebook has been appearing in the media and see if you can track how their initial IPO has affected the way they do business. From our perspective, it appears to be bringing the social network into the light much more often than they were back before they went public. Small updates to the web-based environment, news and tips of future projects, and public awareness have all become more important in the short time since Facebook hit the stock market.



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Speaking of turnover per Facebook user and quarter - there is some interesting data on financial times germany:

Social-Media-Dienst: Misstrauensvotum gegen Facebook | FTD.de

In US and Canada the turnover per user in Q2/2012 was $ 3,2
hey?
and in Europe in the same quarter it was $ 1,4

See the explosive development here:





Important to distinguish "turnover" (which is shown in charts) and "profit" for a stakeholder ;-)

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Taking the highest paid FB price - that Hi on IPO day and
extrapolate the passed time for half-life today - a price of
less than 10$ by the end of this year is highly probable.
Maybe one of the few Nasdaq listed companies that are
delisted within a year after IPO?
Another example for the history books!

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Now three months after FB IPO a little summary seems adequate:
IPO price was $38
Today's low $19.01 (what coincidence!!)
result in 66 trading days: 50% loss - this is $29cents per trading day

If melting of the stock price is extrapolated, the end of this year will never be seen.

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Well this FB / FuBar I join the game and put a target on FB.

17.12
15,27
12.64

15.27 If it can't bounce on this, then it's bad and target go lower. "Still testing on some technology nobody can tell me.!"

Ultimate test will be 7,73 if it get there. This target will be make or breake. Belowe that, it might jump for some time and come crushing back with time.

Timeframe on this depeend on which target. And how to control risk mangement

I have no plane to buy FB, and have never from start any planing to do so.

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Source: UPDATE 1-Facebook hits new low after price target cuts | Reuters


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Aug 31 (Reuters) - Shares of Facebook Inc (FB.O) fell 4.5 percent to a new low on Friday after brokerages cut their price targets on the company's shares, saying several lock-up expirations over the next year will weigh on the stock.

Early investors got the green light to sell Facebook shares for the first time on Aug. 16, sending its stock down 6.3 percent and prompting price target cuts.

About 243 million shares will become available for trading from mid-October, with Nov. 14 being the big day when more than 1.2 billion shares will enter the market.

The company's current free float is about 628 million shares.

"We expect investor attention to return to fundamentals after the technical challenges presented by lock-up expirations over the next six months have been absorbed by the stock," BMO Capital Markets analysts said in a note.

They added that Wall Street sentiment on Facebook is now much worse than advertiser sentiment.

The brokerage cut its price target by $10 to $15, 60 percent below the price at which the company's stock started trading on May 18.

Media reports said BofA Merrill Lynch, an underwriter to the IPO, cut its price target by $12 to $23.

The company's shares fell to $18.23 on the Nasdaq on Friday amid heavy trading.

Shares of game publisher Zynga Inc (ZNGA.O), which gets most of its revenue from Facebook, slipped 3 percent on the Nasdaq.

(Reporting by Sayantani Ghosh in Bangalore, Editing by Saumyadeb Chakrabarty and Sriraj Kalluvila)



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that @Big Mike could foresee the FB price of today already a month ago exactly to the tick? ;-)



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