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Is there a way to make the UI look more modern? Out of the box, I get the first image. The second image is taken from a youtube tutorial from last year.

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This is Sierra Chart's position on the new settings windows:
//https://www.sierrachart.com/index.php?page=doc/ChartSettings.html#NewChartSettingsWindow

You must copy/paste the link above (without the // prefix) because Futures.Io can't translate the # page.

My take is that it is visually unpleasant, but more organized.
I can find the setting I'm looking for more easily.
You can change the colors at Global Settings >> Graphics Settings - Global >> scroll down to 'Settings Windows...'

All settings windows will eventually be transitioned to this new style.
Sierra has been in the process for years now of removing as much reliance on Microsoft as possible.
They then could more easily port it to Linux. They do not have a high opinion of Microsoft.

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Is there a way to make the UI look more modern? Out of the box, I get the first image. The second image is taken from a youtube tutorial from last year.

They actually like the new dialog boxes. They are intending to eventually replace everything in the interface with them:


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Sierra Chart has implemented a new methodology for Dialog Windows in order to improve the user experience, and allow the software to be more independent from specific vendors and/or Operating Systems.


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This page documents the user interface for the Settings type windows within Sierra Chart.

These new Settings type of windows are gradually replacing the old Microsoft Windows-based dialog windows which have proven to be unreliable, very inefficient, and operating system resource heavy. From a development and programming perspective these old dialog windows are very difficult to implement.

The new Settings Windows, are modeless, which means you can interact with other areas of Sierra Chart while one of these Settings Windows remains open. This is a major advantage.

These windows are resizable. So you can resize them as you require. The column widths in these windows are adjustable. The font and font colors can be customized. The colors of various elements of these windows can be customized. Adding, and reorganizing settings in these windows is much easier. These windows support easy translation to other languages. These windows are very fast and efficient and work reliably unlike the old Microsoft dialog windows which had numerous problems at the operating system level.

https://www.sierrachart.com/index.php?page=doc/SettingsWindowsInterface.php

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All settings windows will eventually be transitioned to this new style.
Sierra has been in the process for years now of removing as much reliance on Microsoft as possible.
They then could more easily port it to Linux. They do not have a high opinion of Microsoft.

While I made a non-enthusiastic post in this thread about the new dialog windows, I believe @tomgilb is correct about SC's strategy, and if one finds the idea of a port to Linux attractive, it does certainly make sense.

I also know that SC has had a negative opinion of Microsoft. I don't really know the reasons for this, but they do express it from time to time.

On a general basis, I think it makes sense to be as independent of the operating system as possible. It gives you the prospect of being able to utilize other OS's, which means other markets, and you can do things more the way you want, not the way the OS requires you to. They have stated many times that they found the Windows UI elements, such as dialog windows, harder to work with than they liked. So there may be both purely technical reasons and business reasons for these changes.

Personally, I think that as a matter of simple fact, the Windows market is where most traders are. It is certainly where I am. Linux is attractive to at least some very technical people, and it has great penetration in some markets. Will traders move there? No idea.

I'm sure I'll get used to the new dialogs. They haven't implemented many of them yet, and where they have, I have figured them out. I will say that I find them very non-intuitive, which may be because they are not what I'm used to.

I'm using SC for the foreseeable future, simply for the performance and the flexibility and completeness. So I'll take some awkwardness in the user interface if I must, and who knows, I may end up liking it.

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They do not have a high opinion of Microsoft.

Nor do I. Porting to Linux would be very welcome!

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I'm using SC for the foreseeable future, simply for the performance and the flexibility and completeness. So I'll take some awkwardness in the user interface if I must, and who knows, I may end up liking it.

Maybe.

Bob.

I was under the impression you had been using it for awhile? The UI is not intuitive. Finding things is heavily dependent on knowing what they've decided to call the command and which menu heading they placed it under. It isn't always the one you think. Knowing takes time. Knowing their nomenclature choices is harder than identifying well-thought out icons, so the learning curve is huge.

I like Linux mainly because it isn't Apple or MS. They have one distro I really like,, called Ubuntu which has a very nice graphical user interface like MS and Apple while adhering to the Linux philosophy. Still, there's a downside. While there are some new computers that are Linux compatible out of the box, generally the drivers for things like GPUs aren't available until someone decides they need it, write it and then share it. This effectively limits the more modern, more advanced systems available for the high performance needed by daytraders. I don't think we'll see a huge exodus from MS if SC ports to Linux... but I will be one

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I was under the impression you had been using it for awhile?

I've been using it for a number of years now. When I said I may end up liking it, the "it" was the new type of dialog box. I like SC very much, even with its many user-unfriendliness issues.


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The UI is not intuitive. Finding things is heavily dependent on knowing what they've decided to call the command and which menu heading they placed it under. It isn't always the one you think. Knowing takes time. Knowing their nomenclature choices is harder than identifying well-thought out icons, so the learning curve is huge.

It is definitely not intuitive. The learning curve is one of its major issues, and the documentation is really hard to use. More so once you want to write some code. But once you know where things are and how to do them, is actually gets easy (most of the time). Part of my not liking the new dialogs is simply that they are new, and not the ones I have gotten used to. There was effort in getting used to them, and I'm not happy to have to do it again.


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I like Linux mainly because it isn't Apple or MS. They have one distro I really like,, called Ubuntu which has a very nice graphical user interface like MS and Apple while adhering to the Linux philosophy. Still, there's a downside. While there are some new computers that are Linux compatible out of the box, generally the drivers for things like GPUs aren't available until someone decides they need it, write it and then share it. This effectively limits the more modern, more advanced systems available for the high performance needed by daytraders. I don't think we'll see a huge exodus from MS if SC ports to Linux... but I will be one

I have no experience with Linux at all (except indirectly, in the sense that Linux powers much of what goes on on the internet.)

I began with computers pre-Windows, pre-Linux, with DOS. (Not pre-UNIX, of course. The DOS guys, Bill Gates and Paul Allen, had clearly seen something of UNIX before , which they dumbed down for PC's. I don't know how many who read this will know what I am talking about. That was some time ago.)

I went with Windows pretty early, and stayed with it because that was where the market was for desktop applications, as DOS was supplanted. It was where you could make money as corporations wanted things to run on the desktop. At least, that's what I found. As time went on, it, and Microsoft generally, locked up a certain part of the market, and so we are here today.

For trading, all I want is something that works the way I need it. There actually are quite a few that are "good enough", NT included, but I like SC over any that I have tried. On the whole, it blows away the competition. At least, I think so.

Like everything, it's partially just an individual thing. Many people have no problems with NT, for instance, and depending on your needs, it can be perfectly fine. It isn't my thing, though.

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I began with computers pre-Windows, pre-Linux, with DOS. (Not pre-UNIX, of course. The DOS guys, Bill Gates and Paul Allen, had clearly seen something of UNIX before , which they dumbed down for PC's. I don't know how many who read this will know what I am talking about. That was some time ago.)

Unfortunately, I'm old enough to remember.

I started on a Commodore 64. Then I took my first computer programming course on a "trash 80" (Tandy TRS-80) with an 8" floppy disk. I remember the OS rivalry between MS DOS and DR DOS. Then, Windows 3.1 came out and DOS was soon forgotten by most. I venture to guess the majority of FIO members aren't old enough to remember floppy disks, at least the 5.25". 360k, iirc. Now, we can put that much squared on a card smaller than your finger nail. How times have changed.

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In all fairness, and fun and jokes, SC doesn't seem to be actively interested in Linux either. I've been primary linux user for many many years, I assemble, install and manage my own machines. And if SC really does port to Linux, I would be very very happy.

Cloud platforms just don't perform that well as of now.

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