And what about SierraChart - futures io
futures io futures trading



And what about SierraChart


Discussion in Sierra Chart

Updated
      Top Posters
    1. looks_one Big Mike with 56 posts (20 thanks)
    2. looks_two lolu with 51 posts (5 thanks)
    3. looks_3 LukeGeniol with 45 posts (26 thanks)
    4. looks_4 cory with 40 posts (26 thanks)
      Best Posters
    1. looks_one aslan with 0.9 thanks per post
    2. looks_two cory with 0.7 thanks per post
    3. looks_3 chrislb with 0.7 thanks per post
    4. looks_4 LukeGeniol with 0.6 thanks per post
    1. trending_up 93,632 views
    2. thumb_up 259 thanks given
    3. group 37 followers
    1. forum 466 posts
    2. attach_file 83 attachments




Welcome to futures io: the largest futures trading community on the planet, with well over 125,000 members
  • Genuine reviews from real traders, not fake reviews from stealth vendors
  • Quality education from leading professional traders
  • We are a friendly, helpful, and positive community
  • We do not tolerate rude behavior, trolling, or vendors advertising in posts
  • We are here to help, just let us know what you need
You'll need to register in order to view the content of the threads and start contributing to our community.  It's free and simple.

-- Big Mike, Site Administrator

(If you already have an account, login at the top of the page)

Closed Thread
 
Search this Thread
 

And what about SierraChart

(login for full post details)
  #101 (permalink)
the coin hunter
virginia
 
Experience: Intermediate
Platform: ninja
Trading: NQ
 
cory's Avatar
 
Posts: 6,030 since Jun 2009
Thanks: 845 given, 7,894 received

I wrote a reversal bar indicator for SC user, if there is anyone left

Attached Files
Register to download File Type: cpp ReversalBars.cpp (2.8 KB, 33 views)
The following user says Thank You to cory for this post:
 
(login for full post details)
  #102 (permalink)
new jersey
 
 
Posts: 11 since Feb 2010
Thanks: 5 given, 6 received

Hi nkhoi,

Have you ever attempted to code the volume/pace matrix into a dll for sierra? Once coded, a color bar study based on it may be interesting.

Attached Files
Register to download File Type: xls volumepacemak.xls (351.0 KB, 25 views)
 
(login for full post details)
  #103 (permalink)
the coin hunter
virginia
 
Experience: Intermediate
Platform: ninja
Trading: NQ
 
cory's Avatar
 
Posts: 6,030 since Jun 2009
Thanks: 845 given, 7,894 received


rainman2 View Post
Hi nkhoi,

Have you ever attempted to code the volume/pace matrix into a dll for sierra? Once coded, a color bar study based on it may be interesting.

looks doable, give me some pseudo codes I think you have a better pace understanding than me.

 
(login for full post details)
  #104 (permalink)
new jersey
 
 
Posts: 11 since Feb 2010
Thanks: 5 given, 6 received


cory View Post
looks doable, give me some pseudo codes I think you have a better pace understanding than me.

Its harder to explain in a post then I thought..

 
(login for full post details)
  #105 (permalink)
new jersey
 
 
Posts: 11 since Feb 2010
Thanks: 5 given, 6 received


rainman2 View Post
Its harder to explain in a post then I thought..

I'll pm you my skype name when I get to 5 posts

 
(login for full post details)
  #106 (permalink)
new jersey
 
 
Posts: 11 since Feb 2010
Thanks: 5 given, 6 received


rainman2 View Post
I'll pm you my skype name when I get to 5 posts

If your interested, its prolly easier to chat about it first.

 
(login for full post details)
  #107 (permalink)
new york, ny
 
Experience: Beginner
Platform: Velocity, Sierracharts, TOS
Broker: Velocity/TT FIX
Trading: 6E
 
Posts: 21 since Aug 2010
Thanks: 14 given, 5 received

Hi Cory,

I am new to the forum. I am trying to use this study but this is what I get. What am I doing wrong? I have sierrachart package 2,3,4. Do you think this is the problem. Must I have package 5? Any who, here is the snapshot--

This one is for post#4

http://get.google.com/albumarchive/pwa/lh/photo/KuH6NAC1QZ5LJUDSjfHVmw?feat=directlink

And also on Post #26, question for Chrislb, the ym chart I am trying to implement has a similar issue

here is the photo for that one

http://get.google.com/albumarchive/pwa/lh/photo/I-xGT6pkNZ91LToTP0cNQA?feat=directlink

I would like to use that for ES also. I tried but could not figure it out, I belive I have to tweak a bit.

Basicly I do not see those boxed numbers, neither yellow frame.

thank you

-oz

ps. Also thank you guys, Big Mike, Chrislb, lolu, for doing a great job on this forum.

 
(login for full post details)
  #108 (permalink)
the coin hunter
virginia
 
Experience: Intermediate
Platform: ninja
Trading: NQ
 
cory's Avatar
 
Posts: 6,030 since Jun 2009
Thanks: 845 given, 7,894 received

simply you are high enough, you need package 5.

The following user says Thank You to cory for this post:
 
(login for full post details)
  #109 (permalink)
new york, ny
 
Experience: Beginner
Platform: Velocity, Sierracharts, TOS
Broker: Velocity/TT FIX
Trading: 6E
 
Posts: 21 since Aug 2010
Thanks: 14 given, 5 received

Hello Chrislib,

I am trying to use this YM chart but I am having some difficulties. Please check post#107. Big Mike was kind enough to post the snapshot for me because I don't have 5 posts yet. I'd like to use that chart for ES as well I tried but not much luck. Help is appreciated.

thank you,

-Oz

 
(login for full post details)
  #110 (permalink)
new york, ny
 
Experience: Beginner
Platform: Velocity, Sierracharts, TOS
Broker: Velocity/TT FIX
Trading: 6E
 
Posts: 21 since Aug 2010
Thanks: 14 given, 5 received

thanx Cory.

 
(login for full post details)
  #111 (permalink)
new york, ny
 
Experience: Beginner
Platform: Velocity, Sierracharts, TOS
Broker: Velocity/TT FIX
Trading: 6E
 
Posts: 21 since Aug 2010
Thanks: 14 given, 5 received

ok, upgraded to package 5.

That did the trick in terms of getting the information but still height of the boxes come out squished on YM chart. Es chart is a mess with YM measures.

-oz

 
(login for full post details)
  #112 (permalink)
new york, ny
 
Experience: Beginner
Platform: Velocity, Sierracharts, TOS
Broker: Velocity/TT FIX
Trading: 6E
 
Posts: 21 since Aug 2010
Thanks: 14 given, 5 received

I want to be able post images.

thank you everyone

 
(login for full post details)
  #113 (permalink)
new york, ny
 
Experience: Beginner
Platform: Velocity, Sierracharts, TOS
Broker: Velocity/TT FIX
Trading: 6E
 
Posts: 21 since Aug 2010
Thanks: 14 given, 5 received

Here are ES charts out of tune;
Picasa Web Albums - oz trade
Picasa Web Albums - oz trade
Picasa Web Albums - oz trade
Picasa Web Albums - oz trade
Picasa Web Albums - oz trade

and 2 charts of YM;

Picasa Web Albums - oz trade
Picasa Web Albums - oz trade

thank you

-Oz

 
(login for full post details)
  #114 (permalink)
new york, ny
 
Experience: Beginner
Platform: Velocity, Sierracharts, TOS
Broker: Velocity/TT FIX
Trading: 6E
 
Posts: 21 since Aug 2010
Thanks: 14 given, 5 received

Picasa Web Albums - oz trade

-Oz

 
(login for full post details)
  #115 (permalink)
Italy (IT)
 
Experience: Advanced
Platform: ATAS, R|Trader, NT8
Broker: Rithmic
Trading: CL, Brent, GC, TF
 
LukeGeniol's Avatar
 
Posts: 1,501 since Apr 2010
Thanks: 408 given, 984 received




It seems u had overlaid the main chart with some indicators with differt scale.

Luke.

Take your Pips, go out and Live.
Luke.
The following user says Thank You to LukeGeniol for this post:
 
(login for full post details)
  #116 (permalink)
Italy (IT)
 
Experience: Advanced
Platform: ATAS, R|Trader, NT8
Broker: Rithmic
Trading: CL, Brent, GC, TF
 
LukeGeniol's Avatar
 
Posts: 1,501 since Apr 2010
Thanks: 408 given, 984 received



Ja, rigth click on the rigth scale and u can expand price or move it up down.

Luke.

Take your Pips, go out and Live.
Luke.
The following user says Thank You to LukeGeniol for this post:
 
(login for full post details)
  #117 (permalink)
new york, ny
 
Experience: Beginner
Platform: Velocity, Sierracharts, TOS
Broker: Velocity/TT FIX
Trading: 6E
 
Posts: 21 since Aug 2010
Thanks: 14 given, 5 received


LukeGeniol View Post
Ja, rigth click on the rigth scale and u can expand price or move it up down.

Luke.

Thanks Luke. I was actually on the money. Thanks for confirming though.

-oz

 
(login for full post details)
  #118 (permalink)
Nashville TN USA
 
Experience: Advanced
Platform: SierraChart
Broker: Sierra Futures/SC Denali
Trading: NQ ES YM
 
Posts: 417 since Nov 2009
Thanks: 167 given, 512 received


lolu View Post
Cory,

Is it feasible to tweak the HMA (Hull Moving Average) study to plot "Median" price type (NT nomenclature) or Input Data type (Sierra nomenclature). The only Input Data types available in Sierra are "Open", "Low", "High", "Last" and others; but no "Median".

Lolu

Lolu, this is a belated response, but Ninja's "median" is the HL Avg, and their "typical" is the HLC Avg, both of which Sierra offers in their Input Data dropdown.

-Tom

 
(login for full post details)
  #119 (permalink)
the coin hunter
virginia
 
Experience: Intermediate
Platform: ninja
Trading: NQ
 
cory's Avatar
 
Posts: 6,030 since Jun 2009
Thanks: 845 given, 7,894 received

lolu has moved on to a greener pasture (NJ) so it's back to 1 SC user on board.

 
(login for full post details)
  #120 (permalink)
Germany
 
 
Posts: 54 since Jul 2009
Thanks: 6 given, 30 received


cory View Post
so it's back to 1 SC user on board.

Well there is always hope, because at least there are two SC users here. Others i think,haven't found out about the advantage of VAP and TPO charts with SC yet.

 
(login for full post details)
  #121 (permalink)
San Diego, California
 
Experience: Intermediate
Platform: Sierra Chart
Broker: IB, OEC, Optimus, DDT
Trading: ES, ZN
 
Posts: 221 since Jun 2010
Thanks: 512 given, 158 received


chrislb View Post
Well there is always hope, because at least there are two SC users here. Others i think,haven't found out about the advantage of VAP and TPO charts with SC yet.

What's VAP chart?

Visit my futures io Trade Journal
 
(login for full post details)
  #122 (permalink)
Italy - Roma
 
Experience: Intermediate
Platform: Ninja + proprietary
Broker: IB
Trading: Index futures, Forex, Stocks
 
jagui's Avatar
 
Posts: 200 since Jul 2010
Thanks: 276 given, 287 received

Is there a news indicator available for SC?

 
(login for full post details)
  #123 (permalink)
Italy (IT)
 
Experience: Advanced
Platform: ATAS, R|Trader, NT8
Broker: Rithmic
Trading: CL, Brent, GC, TF
 
LukeGeniol's Avatar
 
Posts: 1,501 since Apr 2010
Thanks: 408 given, 984 received


jagui View Post
Is there a news indicator available for SC?

Dont think, I havent seen one.

Take your Pips, go out and Live.
Luke.
The following user says Thank You to LukeGeniol for this post:
 
(login for full post details)
  #124 (permalink)
Italy (IT)
 
Experience: Advanced
Platform: ATAS, R|Trader, NT8
Broker: Rithmic
Trading: CL, Brent, GC, TF
 
LukeGeniol's Avatar
 
Posts: 1,501 since Apr 2010
Thanks: 408 given, 984 received


omaha786 View Post
What's VAP chart?

Maybe Volume Average Price.

Take your Pips, go out and Live.
Luke.
 
(login for full post details)
  #125 (permalink)
Germany
 
 
Posts: 54 since Jul 2009
Thanks: 6 given, 30 received


LukeGeniol View Post
Maybe Volume Average Price.

Well, SC doesn't like it to call it f...print.chart

Attached Thumbnails
Click image for larger version

Name:	VAP.chart.jpg
Views:	120
Size:	367.1 KB
ID:	19736  
 
(login for full post details)
  #126 (permalink)
Nashville TN USA
 
Experience: Advanced
Platform: SierraChart
Broker: Sierra Futures/SC Denali
Trading: NQ ES YM
 
Posts: 417 since Nov 2009
Thanks: 167 given, 512 received


omaha786 View Post
What's VAP chart?

I think it is Volume At Price, but Sierra calls it Volume By Price.

 
(login for full post details)
  #127 (permalink)
Italy (IT)
 
Experience: Advanced
Platform: ATAS, R|Trader, NT8
Broker: Rithmic
Trading: CL, Brent, GC, TF
 
LukeGeniol's Avatar
 
Posts: 1,501 since Apr 2010
Thanks: 408 given, 984 received


chrislb View Post
Well, SC doesn't like it to call it f...print.chart

Ah, ok footprint like chart.


tomgilb View Post
I think it is Volume At Price, but Sierra calls it Volume By Price.

Ja, now I see.

Take your Pips, go out and Live.
Luke.
 
(login for full post details)
  #128 (permalink)
Southwest US
 
 
Posts: 57 since Apr 2010
Thanks: 23 given, 95 received

Quick question i hope someone using SC can help me with - I can't seem to link it to my Trade Ideas Scanner. Anyone know if this is possible?

Also - does SC have some type of master list to link charts to? Comparable to the market analyzer for NT?

Thanks for the help!

 
(login for full post details)
  #129 (permalink)
Germany
 
Experience: Intermediate
Platform: Sierra Chart, MetaTrader
Broker: Oanda, WHSelfinvest
Trading: FGBL, FESX, ES, 6E, Forex
 
eboarder's Avatar
 
Posts: 166 since Dec 2009
Thanks: 564 given, 177 received


Day Trading Fool View Post
Quick question i hope someone using SC can help me with - I can't seem to link it to my Trade Ideas Scanner. Anyone know if this is possible?

Also - does SC have some type of master list to link charts to? Comparable to the market analyzer for NT?

Thanks for the help!

Hi,

a "Quote Sheet" is possible in Sierra:
you can use a sample quote sheet:
1.) in the menu go to File --> Open Workbook
2.) to add a new symbol type "#" sign followed by the symbol

I haven't found out how to link a workbook to a chart. But changing the chart is easily done by typing the symbol name in the chart window.

Visit my futures io Trade Journal
 
(login for full post details)
  #130 (permalink)
Germany
 
Experience: Intermediate
Platform: Sierra Chart, MetaTrader
Broker: Oanda, WHSelfinvest
Trading: FGBL, FESX, ES, 6E, Forex
 
eboarder's Avatar
 
Posts: 166 since Dec 2009
Thanks: 564 given, 177 received


Day Trading Fool View Post
Quick question i hope someone using SC can help me with - I can't seem to link it to my Trade Ideas Scanner. Anyone know if this is possible?

Also - does SC have some type of master list to link charts to? Comparable to the market analyzer for NT?

Thanks for the help!

Sierra Chart - Getting Quotes
Opening or Activating a Chart for a Quote Line

When you select any cell along a quote line on a Worksheet, then you can go to Worksheet >> Open Historical or Intraday Chart on the menu and the symbol for the quote line will be opened as a Historical or an Intraday Chart respectfully, or be activated if the chart is already open. You can also right click on any cell along a quote line to access these commands.


Or use the shortcut keys: CTRL+ALT+I

Visit my futures io Trade Journal
 
(login for full post details)
  #131 (permalink)
 
 
Posts: 1,081 since May 2010

Hello, is there something like Jtrangemarker for sierracharts ? thanks.

 
(login for full post details)
  #132 (permalink)
Italy (IT)
 
Experience: Advanced
Platform: ATAS, R|Trader, NT8
Broker: Rithmic
Trading: CL, Brent, GC, TF
 
LukeGeniol's Avatar
 
Posts: 1,501 since Apr 2010
Thanks: 408 given, 984 received


MetalTrade View Post
Hello, is there something like Jtrangemarker for sierracharts ? thanks.

Ja, it's called Range Bar Predictor.

Take your Pips, go out and Live.
Luke.
The following user says Thank You to LukeGeniol for this post:
 
(login for full post details)
  #133 (permalink)
Madison, WI
 
Experience: Advanced
Platform: ALT
Trading: ES
 
aslan's Avatar
 
Posts: 616 since Jan 2010
Thanks: 351 given, 1,109 received

Sierra has added support for ZenFire and Rithmic, and according to an email they sent me, the latest pre-release code should be released this Friday (12/3). I plan on testing this platform out, as it looks very interesting to me.

See this

The following 2 users say Thank You to aslan for this post:
 
(login for full post details)
  #134 (permalink)
Italy (IT)
 
Experience: Advanced
Platform: ATAS, R|Trader, NT8
Broker: Rithmic
Trading: CL, Brent, GC, TF
 
LukeGeniol's Avatar
 
Posts: 1,501 since Apr 2010
Thanks: 408 given, 984 received


aslan View Post
Sierra has added support for ZenFire and Rithmic, and according to an email they sent me, the latest pre-release code should be released this Friday (12/3). I plan on testing this platform out, as it looks very interesting to me.

See this

I'm waiting too, they said me that they are waiting for the rithmic side.

Take your Pips, go out and Live.
Luke.
The following user says Thank You to LukeGeniol for this post:
 
(login for full post details)
  #135 (permalink)
 
 
Posts: 1,081 since May 2010

i use it with TT datafeed works very nice and fast

do u guys also use it for ordering ?

 
(login for full post details)
  #136 (permalink)
Italy (IT)
 
Experience: Advanced
Platform: ATAS, R|Trader, NT8
Broker: Rithmic
Trading: CL, Brent, GC, TF
 
LukeGeniol's Avatar
 
Posts: 1,501 since Apr 2010
Thanks: 408 given, 984 received


MetalTrade View Post
i use it with TT datafeed works very nice and fast

do u guys also use it for ordering ?

Not yet, only used for charting, I tried in sim mode, maybe now with Rithmic/Zen-Fire I will try also live, but I have to tell that I like more NT for ordering, maybe cos I'm not used with SC.

Take your Pips, go out and Live.
Luke.
 
(login for full post details)
  #137 (permalink)
 
 
mattz's Avatar
 
Posts: 2,487 since Sep 2010
Thanks: 2,425 given, 3,751 received


LukeGeniol View Post
I'm waiting too, they said me that they are waiting for the rithmic side.

I have been talking to Anthony from Sierra and it's "any day now" for the Rithmic feed.

Between us on futures.io (formerly BMT) (the whole 10K Plus) , Rithmic told me they are testing on the new SC version.
If all works well, they will release it. Safe to assume we will see it in the new year.

M

Trading futures and options involves substantial risk of loss and is not suitable for all investors. Past performance is not necessarily indicative of future results. You may lose more than your initial investment. All posts are opinions and do not claim to be facts. Please conduct your own due diligence. Use only Risk capital when trading Futures.
1 800 771 6748 local 561 367 8686 email support@OptimusFutures.com
 
(login for full post details)
  #138 (permalink)
 
 
Posts: 1,081 since May 2010

In the latest beta that I run Rhitmic is already there in the list of data connectors.

 
(login for full post details)
  #139 (permalink)
Site Administrator
Swing Trader
Data Scientist & DevOps
Manta, Ecuador
 
Experience: Advanced
Platform: My own custom solution
Trading: Emini Futures
 
Big Mike's Avatar
 
Posts: 49,790 since Jun 2009
Thanks: 32,314 given, 97,611 received

This is good news, competition is good for end users!

Mike

We're here to help -- just ask

For the best trading education, watch our webinars
Searching for trading reviews? Review this list

Follow us on Twitter, YouTube, and Facebook

Support our community as an Elite Member:
https://futures.io/elite/
Follow me on Twitter Visit my futures io Trade Journal
 
(login for full post details)
  #140 (permalink)
the coin hunter
virginia
 
Experience: Intermediate
Platform: ninja
Trading: NQ
 
cory's Avatar
 
Posts: 6,030 since Jun 2009
Thanks: 845 given, 7,894 received

SC time stamped to a second only.


Quoting 
Today, 10:19 AM
LukeG
Junior Member

Join Date: May 2010
Posts: 19
Re: TimeStamp Resolution

Quoting 
Quote:
Originally Posted by SC_SupportGroup
Data is time stamped to the second. We do not use milliseconds or sub milliseconds. The programming reference that we have for Dates and Times, can be found here:
https://www.sierrachart.com/index.php...CDateTime.html
Ja, I saw there, but I was hoping that there was a way to get the subseconds timestamp in real time. with c++, as they arrived from the sata source.

So there no way to do this?
Thanks.
LukeG.
- Reply With Quote - Multi-Quote - Quick Reply
#4
Today, 05:56 PM

SC_SupportGroup
Sierra Chart Support - Engineering Level

Join Date: Jan 2000
Posts: 36,582
Re: TimeStamp Resolution
No.
__________________
Thank you, Cheers Mate, Danke, Merci, Gracias, Love
Sierra Chart Support - Engineering Level


The following 3 users say Thank You to cory for this post:
 
(login for full post details)
  #141 (permalink)
Madison, WI
 
Experience: Advanced
Platform: ALT
Trading: ES
 
aslan's Avatar
 
Posts: 616 since Jan 2010
Thanks: 351 given, 1,109 received

Thanks Cory, I was going to mention that also, as it was on my checklist of things to look at. In reality though, second based timestamps are fine as long as you maintain the order of the ticks (including bid/ask). It is going to affect your replay slightly because you dont know how to play them back perfectly, but it will be close enough. The other major feature that this could affect is doing bid/ask studies correctly if you dont store your data correctly. They claim to have cumulative delta studies, but I have not looked at it further than looking thru the doc so far.

The following user says Thank You to aslan for this post:
 
(login for full post details)
  #142 (permalink)
Austin, TX & Las Vegas, NV
 
Experience: Advanced
Platform: Investor RT Pro, NT 7.0
Trading: ES, DAX, CL, 6E
 
FulcrumTrader's Avatar
 
Posts: 230 since Mar 2010
Thanks: 32 given, 287 received

Correct.......no proper BID/ASK differential work in SC with current limitations.

 
(login for full post details)
  #143 (permalink)
Italy (IT)
 
Experience: Advanced
Platform: ATAS, R|Trader, NT8
Broker: Rithmic
Trading: CL, Brent, GC, TF
 
LukeGeniol's Avatar
 
Posts: 1,501 since Apr 2010
Thanks: 408 given, 984 received


cory View Post
SC time stamped to a second only.

Ja, that's me, I asked that for other purpose and not for the bid/ask studies.


FulcrumTrader View Post
Correct.......no proper BID/ASK differential work in SC with current limitations.

I'm not agree, it works good, I tesetd SC and MD running IQFeed time ago, and they work the same, this is an example .

Take your Pips, go out and Live.
Luke.
The following user says Thank You to LukeGeniol for this post:
 
(login for full post details)
  #144 (permalink)
the coin hunter
virginia
 
Experience: Intermediate
Platform: ninja
Trading: NQ
 
cory's Avatar
 
Posts: 6,030 since Jun 2009
Thanks: 845 given, 7,894 received


FulcrumTrader View Post
Correct.......no proper BID/ASK differential work in SC with current limitations.

Can you compare yours with this 1m OpenEcry feed?

 
(login for full post details)
  #145 (permalink)
Austin, TX & Las Vegas, NV
 
Experience: Advanced
Platform: Investor RT Pro, NT 7.0
Trading: ES, DAX, CL, 6E
 
FulcrumTrader's Avatar
 
Posts: 230 since Mar 2010
Thanks: 32 given, 287 received

I know about 10 traders trying to use SC for BID/ASK differential work and all on occasion get improper CD plots (with DTN data....so data was not the problem). Keep testing over a 30 day period and then compare results.

 
(login for full post details)
  #146 (permalink)
Austin, TX & Las Vegas, NV
 
Experience: Advanced
Platform: Investor RT Pro, NT 7.0
Trading: ES, DAX, CL, 6E
 
FulcrumTrader's Avatar
 
Posts: 230 since Mar 2010
Thanks: 32 given, 287 received


cory View Post
Can you compare yours with this 1m OpenEcry feed?


OEC will never work.....another broker supplied data feed that does not use "ticker plants" to handle their data runs. DTN feed it the feed to use for any and all BID/ASK differential work to ALWAYS have proper CD readings (for ladder, CD candlesticks, etc). The quest to use broker supplied data feeds for proper BID/ASK differential work is a dead end road (with a cliff at the end....LOL!!!).

 
(login for full post details)
  #147 (permalink)
Italy (IT)
 
Experience: Advanced
Platform: ATAS, R|Trader, NT8
Broker: Rithmic
Trading: CL, Brent, GC, TF
 
LukeGeniol's Avatar
 
Posts: 1,501 since Apr 2010
Thanks: 408 given, 984 received


cory View Post
Can you compare yours with this 1m OpenEcry feed?

Look here

Take your Pips, go out and Live.
Luke.
 
(login for full post details)
  #148 (permalink)
Italy (IT)
 
Experience: Advanced
Platform: ATAS, R|Trader, NT8
Broker: Rithmic
Trading: CL, Brent, GC, TF
 
LukeGeniol's Avatar
 
Posts: 1,501 since Apr 2010
Thanks: 408 given, 984 received


FulcrumTrader View Post
I know about 10 traders trying to use SC for BID/ASK differential work and all on occasion get improper CD plots (with DTN data....so data was not the problem). Keep testing over a 30 day period and then compare results.

I tested it as I said before, and to me it's works.

Take your Pips, go out and Live.
Luke.
 
(login for full post details)
  #149 (permalink)
Italy (IT)
 
Experience: Advanced
Platform: ATAS, R|Trader, NT8
Broker: Rithmic
Trading: CL, Brent, GC, TF
 
LukeGeniol's Avatar
 
Posts: 1,501 since Apr 2010
Thanks: 408 given, 984 received


LukeGeniol View Post
Ja, that's me, I asked that for other purpose and not for the bid/ask studies.

Anyway, i'm not a programmer, and as i see almost platforms have the seconds as timestamp resolution, and maybe with a work like the GomRecorder it's possible also with SC to get the subseconds.

Take your Pips, go out and Live.
Luke.
 
(login for full post details)
  #150 (permalink)
Madison, WI
 
Experience: Advanced
Platform: ALT
Trading: ES
 
aslan's Avatar
 
Posts: 616 since Jan 2010
Thanks: 351 given, 1,109 received


LukeGeniol View Post
Anyway, i'm not a programmer, and as i see almost platforms have the seconds as timestamp resolution, and maybe with a work like the GomRecorder it's possible also with SC to get the subseconds.

Out of curiosity, why do you need sub-second timestamps?

 
(login for full post details)
  #151 (permalink)
Site Administrator
Swing Trader
Data Scientist & DevOps
Manta, Ecuador
 
Experience: Advanced
Platform: My own custom solution
Trading: Emini Futures
 
Big Mike's Avatar
 
Posts: 49,790 since Jun 2009
Thanks: 32,314 given, 97,611 received


aslan View Post
Out of curiosity, why do you need sub-second timestamps?



Mike

We're here to help -- just ask

For the best trading education, watch our webinars
Searching for trading reviews? Review this list

Follow us on Twitter, YouTube, and Facebook

Support our community as an Elite Member:
https://futures.io/elite/
Follow me on Twitter Visit my futures io Trade Journal
 
(login for full post details)
  #152 (permalink)
Italy (IT)
 
Experience: Advanced
Platform: ATAS, R|Trader, NT8
Broker: Rithmic
Trading: CL, Brent, GC, TF
 
LukeGeniol's Avatar
 
Posts: 1,501 since Apr 2010
Thanks: 408 given, 984 received


aslan View Post
Out of curiosity, why do you need sub-second timestamps?

Hmmmm, don't know if i really need it, but it is for testing some indicators that actually use the seconds as resolution, to see if there are differences and maybe to improve them.

Take your Pips, go out and Live.
Luke.
 
(login for full post details)
  #153 (permalink)
London
 
Experience: None
Platform: MC & Ninja mainly
 
Posts: 132 since Jan 2010
Thanks: 3 given, 49 received


aslan View Post
Out of curiosity, why do you need sub-second timestamps?

To correctly sequence historical data. If you run 'live' they are not required.

 
(login for full post details)
  #154 (permalink)
Italy (IT)
 
Experience: Advanced
Platform: ATAS, R|Trader, NT8
Broker: Rithmic
Trading: CL, Brent, GC, TF
 
LukeGeniol's Avatar
 
Posts: 1,501 since Apr 2010
Thanks: 408 given, 984 received


NickA View Post
To correctly sequence historical data. If you run 'live' they are not required.

I thnik i missed your point, could you elaborate little more?
Thanks.

Take your Pips, go out and Live.
Luke.
 
(login for full post details)
  #155 (permalink)
Austin, TX & Las Vegas, NV
 
Experience: Advanced
Platform: Investor RT Pro, NT 7.0
Trading: ES, DAX, CL, 6E
 
FulcrumTrader's Avatar
 
Posts: 230 since Mar 2010
Thanks: 32 given, 287 received


Big Mike View Post


Mike

LOL!

 
(login for full post details)
  #156 (permalink)
Site Administrator
Swing Trader
Data Scientist & DevOps
Manta, Ecuador
 
Experience: Advanced
Platform: My own custom solution
Trading: Emini Futures
 
Big Mike's Avatar
 
Posts: 49,790 since Jun 2009
Thanks: 32,314 given, 97,611 received

@vegasfoster, I know you recently are trying Sierra Charts. I hope you'll share your first impressions and feedback as you go, I'd like to learn more about this platform.

Mike

We're here to help -- just ask

For the best trading education, watch our webinars
Searching for trading reviews? Review this list

Follow us on Twitter, YouTube, and Facebook

Support our community as an Elite Member:
https://futures.io/elite/
Follow me on Twitter Visit my futures io Trade Journal
 
(login for full post details)
  #157 (permalink)
Site Administrator
Swing Trader
Data Scientist & DevOps
Manta, Ecuador
 
Experience: Advanced
Platform: My own custom solution
Trading: Emini Futures
 
Big Mike's Avatar
 
Posts: 49,790 since Jun 2009
Thanks: 32,314 given, 97,611 received

Just found out from my Velocity Rep (@Dale Box) that Velocity is adding Sierra Chart to their line up and it will be "free" (bundled in commission), like NinjaTrader, X_Trader etc etc.

The commission structure will be up on the website soon but Dale told me it will be a good bit cheaper than NinjaTrader, something around 3.30 R/T on ES.

Great news for Sierra users

Mike

We're here to help -- just ask

For the best trading education, watch our webinars
Searching for trading reviews? Review this list

Follow us on Twitter, YouTube, and Facebook

Support our community as an Elite Member:
https://futures.io/elite/
Follow me on Twitter Visit my futures io Trade Journal
The following 3 users say Thank You to Big Mike for this post:
 
(login for full post details)
  #158 (permalink)
UK
 
Experience: Intermediate
Platform: NinjaTrader
Trading: Futures
 
Posts: 88 since Jun 2009
Thanks: 35 given, 84 received


Big Mike View Post
@ vegasfoster, I know you recently are trying Sierra Charts. I hope you'll share your first impressions and feedback as you go, I'd like to learn more about this platform.

Mike

I can chip in here as I began using Sierra Charts about a month ago when I lost faith in NT's stabilty for my ATS. I don't do discretionary trading, only automated, so my views are based on its ATS and programming characteristics.

Programming learning curve:

Pretty steep even though I have 20+ years as a programmer. To begin with I struggled to understand how to program it. I had no C++ experience and I found the online manuals very difficult to follow. It made developing NinjaScript seem like a walk in the park.

I almost gave up a couple of times, but hung in there as I really didn't want to deal with Easy Language in Multi Charts. I'm now finding using ACSIL pretty straightforward and powerful and like the compiled C++ as everything seems so fast compared to NT and NinjaScript.

Speed and stability

Indicators respond very quickly, charts load fast and the whole app seems rock solid. It also has a low resource requirement and I am coming to trust it for an ATS platform, whereas I was constantly fearful of a chart corruption or lock up with NT.

Market Replay

I initially thought that the market replay was inferior to NT, however I was wrong. You don't need to constantly "record the market" and you don't get the the slow loading of data and that stupid replay start date of 2099 with NT. You just scroll backwards and fine tune replay speed and start position so you can tune your automated trade entries and money management.

Contract Rollovers

I'm not so sure about this aspect of SC as I haven't had to do any rollovers yet. I've watched their videos about how to do it and it looks pretty complex compared to the simplicity of the NT 7 approach.

Support

Fantastic via their forum and they seem very willing to incorporate new suggestions into their next versions. That really is awesome.

Overall

I was beginning to think I had to build my own ATS platform, which I really didn't want to do, however having persevered with SC I realise that I have now found the best platform on which to develop my automated systems. It is also very good value for money.

The following 5 users say Thank You to David for this post:
 
(login for full post details)
  #159 (permalink)
Austin, TX & Las Vegas, NV
 
Experience: Advanced
Platform: Investor RT Pro, NT 7.0
Trading: ES, DAX, CL, 6E
 
FulcrumTrader's Avatar
 
Posts: 230 since Mar 2010
Thanks: 32 given, 287 received


David View Post
I can chip in here as I began using Sierra Charts about a month ago when I lost faith in NT's stabilty for my ATS. I don't do discretionary trading, only automated, so my views are based on its ATS and programming characteristics.

Programming learning curve:

Pretty steep even though I have 20+ years as a programmer. To begin with I struggled to understand how to program it. I had no C++ experience and I found the online manuals very difficult to follow. It made developing NinjaScript seem like a walk in the park.

I almost gave up a couple of times, but hung in there as I really didn't want to deal with Easy Language in Multi Charts. I'm now finding using ACSIL pretty straightforward and powerful and like the compiled C++ as everything seems so fast compared to NT and NinjaScript.

Speed and stability

Indicators respond very quickly, charts load fast and the whole app seems rock solid. It also has a low resource requirement and I am coming to trust it for an ATS platform, whereas I was constantly fearful of a chart corruption or lock up with NT.

Market Replay

I initially thought that the market replay was inferior to NT, however I was wrong. You don't need to constantly "record the market" and you don't get the the slow loading of data and that stupid replay start date of 2099 with NT. You just scroll backwards and fine tune replay speed and start position so you can tune your automated trade entries and money management.

Contract Rollovers

I'm not so sure about this aspect of SC as I haven't had to do any rollovers yet. I've watched their videos about how to do it and it looks pretty complex compared to the simplicity of the NT 7 approach.

Support

Fantastic via their forum and they seem very willing to incorporate new suggestions into their next versions. That really is awesome.

Overall

I was beginning to think I had to build my own ATS platform, which I really didn't want to do, however having persevered with SC I realise that I have now found the best platform on which to develop my automated systems. It is also very good value for money.

Good review! What contracts are you trading in ATS?

 
(login for full post details)
  #160 (permalink)
CA
 
Experience: Master
Platform: Marketdelta and Ninja
Broker: Velocity
Trading: NQ
 
Posts: 670 since Apr 2010
Thanks: 64 given, 526 received

Thats an amazing rate. They need a proper dom IMO...

 
(login for full post details)
  #161 (permalink)
Site Administrator
Swing Trader
Data Scientist & DevOps
Manta, Ecuador
 
Experience: Advanced
Platform: My own custom solution
Trading: Emini Futures
 
Big Mike's Avatar
 
Posts: 49,790 since Jun 2009
Thanks: 32,314 given, 97,611 received

Awesome, thanks for sharing @David.

Mike

We're here to help -- just ask

For the best trading education, watch our webinars
Searching for trading reviews? Review this list

Follow us on Twitter, YouTube, and Facebook

Support our community as an Elite Member:
https://futures.io/elite/
Follow me on Twitter Visit my futures io Trade Journal
 
(login for full post details)
  #162 (permalink)
 
 
Posts: 1,081 since May 2010

their dom looks a little bit dull but it's all there, what are u missing ?

 
(login for full post details)
  #163 (permalink)
UK
 
Experience: Intermediate
Platform: NinjaTrader
Trading: Futures
 
Posts: 88 since Jun 2009
Thanks: 35 given, 84 received


FulcrumTrader View Post
Good review! What contracts are you trading in ATS?

I'm still in the testing phase so I'm not trading live with SC yet, but I intend to start with CL.

The system is already trading live and profitably with NT 7 but I want to migrate it to Sierra Charts as I'm not comfortable with using NT7 for ATS, particularly when trading different instruments at the same time where resource utilisation could cause issues.

 
(login for full post details)
  #164 (permalink)
las vegas
 
Experience: Intermediate
Platform: Sierra Chart
Broker: Velocity/IB
Trading: 6E
 
Posts: 1,147 since Feb 2010
Thanks: 304 given, 839 received

I have just been looking at it the past week or so, and haven't traded it at all, but as far as features it seems both good and bad.

The good,
1) The core package, which is all most people will need, is only $26 per month. That's less than half of NT and a fourth of Multcharts. Nice if you are on a budget and IMO you get a lot for that money.
2) They have a nice set of instructional videos which makes it easy to get up to speed on using the program.
3) Support has been very good so far, they answer questions on the forum quickly.
4) It uses a tabbed interface and not that floating window crap you get with NT.
5) Replay is integrated and is not a separate connection with separate data.
6) I am able to get historical backfill, including tick data, for IB and Velocity, although I am not sure of the source yet.
7) Although I haven't used it yet, you can create simple indicators, alerts and strategies using an excel based interface, which looks considerably easier for non-programmers to use.
8) It feels very fast compared to NT. Everything loads and is executed quickly.
9) If you like to chart trade, it seems to be significantly better than NT.
a) You can have up to 5 targets.
b) There's a chart dom so you can quickly place limit and stop orders using a single click instead of first having to right click and then scroll down the menu to the item you want.
c) You can see and modify your stops and targets before the order is filled.
d) You can modify stop and target quantities after orders are filled.
e) You can set the scale so the price stays in the middle of the screen, which makes it easy to quickly adjust your stops and targets without having to first shrink the scale down first (not that I would ever move my stops ).
The bad,
1) Dated Windows 98 looking interface.
2) I don't think you can edit the keyboard shortcuts.
3) Only have 1 sim account that I can see, which would be a problem when testing multiple strategies if not also for #4.
4) I haven't come across any type of performance reporting.
5) You can program advanced indicators, alerts and strategies in C++, but they don't have a built in script editor. You have to use the MS Visual C++ Express Edition, so there could be a steep learning curve there, I am not sure yet.
Also, so far it hasn't crashed.

Anyone feel to free to correct me if any of the above info is wrong.

The following 4 users say Thank You to vegasfoster for this post:
 
(login for full post details)
  #165 (permalink)
Parkland, FL, USA
 
Experience: Advanced
Platform: NinjaTrader
Broker: Kinetick, Amp Futures
Trading: ES, 6E
 
ibiscmllc's Avatar
 
Posts: 17 since Aug 2010
Thanks: 0 given, 6 received

I am also intrigued by SC (coming from NT). I installed it yesterday and my first impressions are as follows:
- dated interface...man, that's old school..
- creating a new chart by having to open some file was weird...
- great speed in everything from loading charts to applying indicators, etc.
- seems feature-rich just based on some of the nice features that I saw in indicator settings
- probably a very steep learning curve in the development language (it's true that it makes NinjaScript looks like pseudo language). Transitioning all my custom programming from NT to SC would be painful.
Does it support Zen-Fire or Kinetick? I couldn't find a way to connect to these providers?
Thanks!

The following user says Thank You to ibiscmllc for this post:
 
(login for full post details)
  #166 (permalink)
 
 
Posts: 1,081 since May 2010

When you program a windows program in C++ you have only default style of buttons on your simple interface.

Why is this a problem ? It's blazing fast and stable, I don't care how my buttons/interface looks like from 1998 or 1972, as long as it's working FAST and STABLE when I click on it, and that's what Sierrachart does.

I trade to be profitable, not to smile when I click a button because it's fancy. I really wanted to live with Ninjatrader, really. It didn't worked out, sorry, they messed up. Time for something new, like Sierracharts or Multicharts.

 
(login for full post details)
  #167 (permalink)
UK
 
Experience: Intermediate
Platform: NinjaTrader
Trading: Futures
 
Posts: 88 since Jun 2009
Thanks: 35 given, 84 received


Quoting 
5) You can program advanced indicators, alerts and strategies in C++, but they don't have a built in script editor. You have to use the MS Visual C++ Express Edition, so there could be a steep learning curve there, I am not sure yet.

No, there is an inbuilt editor. Analysis -> New/Open Advanced Custom Study File->Select file to edit

However this is nothing like the Intellisense enabled NinjaScript editor and integrated compiler, which gives you useful hints about parameters etc. Instead you have to save the edited file, then use the in built compiler and then you find a coding error so its back to the editor again...

Using MS Visual C++ Express means that you have the integrated editor and compiler and it performs better than the inbuilt Watcom compiler.


Quoting 
Transitioning all my custom programming from NT to SC would be painful.

Yes, very painful and time consuming. Probably impossible for some of them without delving into some serious C++ functionality. Remember, though, that many indicators for NT use some serious C# functionality.

Just to give you a quick idea about some of the coding diferences between NinjaScript and ACSIL:

To find if last bar was an up bar

NinjaScript:
 
Code
                            
if ( Close[1] > Open[1] )
{
do 
something

ACSIL:
 
Code
                            
if ( sc.BaseDataIn[SC_LAST][sc.Index ] > sc.BaseDataIn[SC_OPEN][sc.Index ])
{
do 
something

To find first bar of session

NinjaScript:
 
Code
                            
if ( Bars.FirstBarOfSession )
{
do 
something

ACSIL:
 
Code
                            
 if(DATE_PART(sc.BaseDateTimeIn[sc.Index]) != DATE_PART(sc.BaseDateTimeIn[sc.Index 1]))
 {
 do 
something
 

Print current price to output window:

NinjaScript:
 
Code
                            
 Print( "Current Price: " Close[0].ToString()); 

ACSIL:
 
Code
                            
SCString message;
message.Format("Current Price: %f",sc.BaseDataIn[SC_LAST][sc.Index]);
sc.AddMessageToLog(message,1); 
You can see that ACSIL is very Array based and does not wrap intuitive commands around internal complexity as NinjaScript does, however this is also its strength. It is very fast and robust and that is what you want for an automated trading system.

I have never had SC crash even when I have created some bad programming errors. NT would have buckled at the knees, probably corrupted a workspace or if it had a real headache, corrupted the database for good measure too.

I also think there is a side benefit to the SC programming approach. You need to know what you are doing and that is good. I dread to think how many $millions have been lost by traders bolting together automated systems using the NT strategy wizard, only to watch them get eaten alive in the market.

The following 6 users say Thank You to David for this post:
 
(login for full post details)
  #168 (permalink)
Site Administrator
Swing Trader
Data Scientist & DevOps
Manta, Ecuador
 
Experience: Advanced
Platform: My own custom solution
Trading: Emini Futures
 
Big Mike's Avatar
 
Posts: 49,790 since Jun 2009
Thanks: 32,314 given, 97,611 received

@vegasfoster, thanks for sharing! Backfill comes from Sierra's servers according to their feature listing website.

@ibiscmllc, DTN is supported but not Kinetick, Kinetick is only for NT. You can probably contact DTN to upgrade your Kinetick connection to a regular IQfeed connection pretty easily. It also seems that Rithmic support was just added very recently (days), it is unclear if Zen Fire will work or only Rithmic (you would assume both, but couldn't determine this with Google yet). Also backfill is not yet available on Rithmic, but they are working to add it via Sierra's servers.

Mike

We're here to help -- just ask

For the best trading education, watch our webinars
Searching for trading reviews? Review this list

Follow us on Twitter, YouTube, and Facebook

Support our community as an Elite Member:
https://futures.io/elite/
Follow me on Twitter Visit my futures io Trade Journal
 
(login for full post details)
  #169 (permalink)
Italy (IT)
 
Experience: Advanced
Platform: ATAS, R|Trader, NT8
Broker: Rithmic
Trading: CL, Brent, GC, TF
 
LukeGeniol's Avatar
 
Posts: 1,501 since Apr 2010
Thanks: 408 given, 984 received


vegasfoster View Post
.........................................
6) I am able to get historical backfill, including tick data, for IB and Velocity, although I am not sure of the source yet.
9) If you like to chart trade, it seems to be significantly better than NT.
.....................................................
1) Dated Windows 98 looking interface.
2) I don't think you can edit the keyboard shortcuts.
3) Only have 1 sim account that I can see, which would be a problem when testing multiple strategies if not also for #4
4) I haven't come across any type of performance reporting.
...................................

For the backfill data u can select if u want from the data providers or if from SC backfill (time ago they told me is the same of transact data, not sure now).
Chart trader is not so easy like in NT, even if it has more function.
Ja, graphical interface /rendering is not so good like NT(that is one of the best imho)
There's keyboard shortcuts, but don't know if they are editable.
For more sim accuonts you can run multiple istances of SC at the same time.
There's a lack of simple and good performance/trades analyzer like NT (there are some indis that do some report)

For performance there is a quite resources consuming if u are using long term tick data, also for some indicators ,like renko that to be accurate need to be added to tick chart.




Big Mike View Post
......... It also seems that Rithmic support was just added very recently (days), it is unclear if Zen Fire will work or only Rithmic (you would assume both, but couldn't determine this with Google yet). Also backfill is not yet available on Rithmic, but they are working to add it via Sierra's servers.

Mike

They are waiting for Rithmic side to give them the ok and allow them to use rithmic platform, Zen-Fire will also supported.

Take your Pips, go out and Live.
Luke.
The following 2 users say Thank You to LukeGeniol for this post:
 
(login for full post details)
  #170 (permalink)
Madison, WI
 
Experience: Advanced
Platform: ALT
Trading: ES
 
aslan's Avatar
 
Posts: 616 since Jan 2010
Thanks: 351 given, 1,109 received


FulcrumTrader View Post
Correct.......no proper BID/ASK differential work in SC with current limitations.

Not sure what "proper" is, but I have been able to get it to work and it looks like my CD on other platforms. It is kludgy, in that you have to build it up on a 1-tick chart in the background, and then apply it as an overlay on another chart, but it does work (at least for how I use it). I was using the IQ feed, and loaded two weeks of data. The actual values of course are wrong (it is not the actual long/short interest), but the differences seemed to correct which is what you care about. It updates in real time, and loads the same values when I restart the platform.

The following 2 users say Thank You to aslan for this post:
 
(login for full post details)
  #171 (permalink)
Austin, TX & Las Vegas, NV
 
Experience: Advanced
Platform: Investor RT Pro, NT 7.0
Trading: ES, DAX, CL, 6E
 
FulcrumTrader's Avatar
 
Posts: 230 since Mar 2010
Thanks: 32 given, 287 received


aslan View Post
Not sure what "proper" is, but I have been able to get it to work and it looks like my CD on other platforms. It is kludgy, in that you have to build it up on a 1-tick chart in the background, and then apply it as an overlay on another chart, but it does work (at least for how I use it). I was using the IQ feed, and loaded two weeks of data. The actual values of course are wrong (it is not the actual long/short interest), but the differences seemed to correct which is what you care about. It updates in real time, and loads the same values when I restart the platform.

What I was saying is any charting that can't process sub-second data will never be able to have a fully clean Cumulative Delta plot (proper BID/ASK data READ needs to be done at sub-second level). If SC is able to read bid/ask data at sub-second level connected to DTN.IQ then all should be good to go.....so the question is, does SC have the capability to read data at sub-second level?

If it does now have sub-second capability added then I will start to take a look at testing out SC again (full 30 day test to compare to Inv RT/DTN.IQ).

 
(login for full post details)
  #172 (permalink)
Nashville TN USA
 
Experience: Advanced
Platform: SierraChart
Broker: Sierra Futures/SC Denali
Trading: NQ ES YM
 
Posts: 417 since Nov 2009
Thanks: 167 given, 512 received


Big Mike View Post
Just found out from my Velocity Rep (@Dale Box) that Velocity is adding Sierra Chart to their line up and it will be "free" (bundled in commission), like NinjaTrader, X_Trader etc etc.

The commission structure will be up on the website soon but Dale told me it will be a good bit cheaper than NinjaTrader, something around 3.30 R/T on ES.

Great news for Sierra users

Mike

I've been using Sierra with Velocity's FIX adapter for about 5 months, since Sierra added a TT FIX interface. Velocity did not officially support Sierra then, but would still work with me on any issue. This means you don't have to wait...

-Tom

The following user says Thank You to tomgilb for this post:
 
(login for full post details)
  #173 (permalink)
Stockholm
 
 
Posts: 3 since Jun 2010
Thanks: 5 given, 1 received


MetalTrade View Post

I trade to be profitable, not to smile when I click a button because it's fancy.



Very pleased w SC now when they have fixed the Market and Volume Profile issues.
Very responsive to demands and excellent support!

Can live with the delta as is - don't think I would do better trades w sub second delta...??? or do you think it will make a difference fulcrum?

The combination SC / OEC makes a very cost efficient combination w no datafeed charge and low commissions!



The following user says Thank You to Chouca for this post:
 
(login for full post details)
  #174 (permalink)
Site Administrator
Swing Trader
Data Scientist & DevOps
Manta, Ecuador
 
Experience: Advanced
Platform: My own custom solution
Trading: Emini Futures
 
Big Mike's Avatar
 
Posts: 49,790 since Jun 2009
Thanks: 32,314 given, 97,611 received

Remember to vote in our futures.io (formerly BMT) Best of Trading 2010 awards:

Best Of Trading 2010 - Big Mike Trading

I'm sure Sierra would like to win

Mike

We're here to help -- just ask

For the best trading education, watch our webinars
Searching for trading reviews? Review this list

Follow us on Twitter, YouTube, and Facebook

Support our community as an Elite Member:
https://futures.io/elite/
Follow me on Twitter Visit my futures io Trade Journal
 
(login for full post details)
  #175 (permalink)
Madison, WI
 
Experience: Advanced
Platform: ALT
Trading: ES
 
aslan's Avatar
 
Posts: 616 since Jan 2010
Thanks: 351 given, 1,109 received


FulcrumTrader View Post
What I was saying is any charting that can't process sub-second data will never be able to have a fully clean Cumulative Delta plot (proper BID/ASK data READ needs to be done at sub-second level). If SC is able to read bid/ask data at sub-second level connected to DTN.IQ then all should be good to go.....so the question is, does SC have the capability to read data at sub-second level?

If it does now have sub-second capability added then I will start to take a look at testing out SC again (full 30 day test to compare to Inv RT/DTN.IQ).

Well, the key here is using IQ Feed, which delivers the data pre-parsed with the bid/ask, so the timestamps are not meaningful (IQ uses second timestamps, but is the feed of choice). Everyone is focused on sub-second timestamps because they are trying to use inferior feeds/platforms, and then piece the data back together.

It may not be perfect, but I was merely pointing out that SC is one of the few platforms that can actually pull it off.

The following user says Thank You to aslan for this post:
 
(login for full post details)
  #176 (permalink)
Austin, TX & Las Vegas, NV
 
Experience: Advanced
Platform: Investor RT Pro, NT 7.0
Trading: ES, DAX, CL, 6E
 
FulcrumTrader's Avatar
 
Posts: 230 since Mar 2010
Thanks: 32 given, 287 received


aslan View Post
Well, the key here is using IQ Feed, which delivers the data pre-parsed with the bid/ask, so the timestamps are not meaningful (IQ uses second timestamps, but is the feed of choice). Everyone is focused on sub-second timestamps because they are trying to use inferior feeds/platforms, and then piece the data back together.

It may not be perfect, but I was merely pointing out that SC is one of the few platforms that can actually pull it off.

I would like to see an ES chart from 08:30 first tick to 3:15 last tick with Delta and then I can do a quick look and see how SC is doing these days with Cumulative Delta. If anyone can help out there that would be great.....I would LOVE to see another charting platform have Delta on board (and functioning properly).


BTW, my Mom is from Wisconsin Rapids!

 
(login for full post details)
  #177 (permalink)
Nashville TN USA
 
Experience: Advanced
Platform: SierraChart
Broker: Sierra Futures/SC Denali
Trading: NQ ES YM
 
Posts: 417 since Nov 2009
Thanks: 167 given, 512 received


ibiscmllc View Post
I am also intrigued by SC (coming from NT). I installed it yesterday and my first impressions are as follows:
- dated interface...man, that's old school..
- creating a new chart by having to open some file was weird...
- great speed in everything from loading charts to applying indicators, etc.
- seems feature-rich just based on some of the nice features that I saw in indicator settings
- probably a very steep learning curve in the development language (it's true that it makes NinjaScript looks like pseudo language). Transitioning all my custom programming from NT to SC would be painful.
Does it support Zen-Fire or Kinetick? I couldn't find a way to connect to these providers?
Thanks!

Sierra now provides a Rithmic (Zen-fire's source) interface, though still in beta.

SierraChart is a full-featured, highly flexible, extremely powerful, continually updated, exceptionally-priced, well-documented, fast-response-supported, very stable platform. I recently switched from NinjaTrader, an unstable memory-leaking resource hog.

The dated interface is not a deal-breaker for me. It's fast, light on resources, and solid. I've never had SC crash in the 5 months I've used it. Every platform has its quirks, but Sierra's pluses far out-balance its minuses, IMHO.

The following user says Thank You to tomgilb for this post:
 
(login for full post details)
  #178 (permalink)
the coin hunter
virginia
 
Experience: Intermediate
Platform: ninja
Trading: NQ
 
cory's Avatar
 
Posts: 6,030 since Jun 2009
Thanks: 845 given, 7,894 received


FulcrumTrader View Post
I would like to see an ES chart from 08:30 first tick to 3:15 last tick with Delta and then I can do a quick look and see how SC is doing these days with Cumulative Delta. If anyone can help out there that would be great.....I would LOVE to see another charting platform have Delta on board (and functioning properly).


BTW, my Mom is from Wisconsin Rapids!

12/4 data
http://www.sierrachart.com/index.php?page=doc/error.php
http://www.sierrachart.com/index.php?page=doc/error.php

 
(login for full post details)
  #179 (permalink)
 
 
Posts: 1,081 since May 2010

Here is an example on my screen setups I use, so you non-sierrachart users have an idea. Everything is possible, it's just more clean, fast and to the point. You might call it crisp and neat....and correct.

Also support doesn't say to me : re-install sierracharts, or can't reproduce it, they have some kind of a guy over there working day and night and answering all questions with an ANSWER. Wow. Kudos to Sierracharts. I'm learning their DOM and chart trader so I can use it to the max.


 
(login for full post details)
  #180 (permalink)
Madison, WI
 
Experience: Advanced
Platform: ALT
Trading: ES
 
aslan's Avatar
 
Posts: 616 since Jan 2010
Thanks: 351 given, 1,109 received

Here is 12/6 ES CD

Attached Thumbnails
Click image for larger version

Name:	SC_ES_CD_20101206.png
Views:	95
Size:	57.1 KB
ID:	26655  
 
(login for full post details)
  #181 (permalink)
Austin, TX & Las Vegas, NV
 
Experience: Advanced
Platform: Investor RT Pro, NT 7.0
Trading: ES, DAX, CL, 6E
 
FulcrumTrader's Avatar
 
Posts: 230 since Mar 2010
Thanks: 32 given, 287 received


MetalTrade View Post
Here is an example on my screen setups I use, so you non-sierrachart users have an idea. Everything is possible, it's just more clean, fast and to the point. You might call it crisp and neat....and correct.

Also support doesn't say to me : re-install sierracharts, or can't reproduce it, they have some kind of a guy over there working day and night and answering all questions with an ANSWER. Wow. Kudos to Sierracharts. I'm learning their DOM and chart trader so I can use it to the max.

Attachment 26654

Could you please put up a BIGGER picture of the DOM area....I would like to see that.

TIA!

 
(login for full post details)
  #182 (permalink)
UK
 
Experience: Intermediate
Platform: NinjaTrader
Trading: Futures
 
Posts: 88 since Jun 2009
Thanks: 35 given, 84 received

I've just had NinjaTrader 7.0.1000.1 display the dreaded "Failed to execute DB job: StrategyUpdate.Job. A foreign key value cannot be inserted because a primary key value does not exist" error message.

It still does it after a database repair.

I wonder why I'm taking the time and effort to move to Sierra Charts

 
(login for full post details)
  #183 (permalink)
 
 
Posts: 1,081 since May 2010

Here ya go, I putted some chart trader stuff on it too :-)

I still have to find what another DOM can do that SC's DOM can't.


 
(login for full post details)
  #184 (permalink)
Madison, WI
 
Experience: Advanced
Platform: ALT
Trading: ES
 
aslan's Avatar
 
Posts: 616 since Jan 2010
Thanks: 351 given, 1,109 received


MetalTrade View Post
Everything is possible, it's just more clean, fast and to the point. You might call it crisp and neat....and correct.

Yes, but it is not your Father's platform (or actually it is ). Everything about this platform is old school and low level, and it is that way for a reason, namely, performance. Once you work thru things, you understand why it works that way.

I have been very pleasantly surprised so far, but have a lot to look at still.

 
(login for full post details)
  #185 (permalink)
Site Administrator
Swing Trader
Data Scientist & DevOps
Manta, Ecuador
 
Experience: Advanced
Platform: My own custom solution
Trading: Emini Futures
 
Big Mike's Avatar
 
Posts: 49,790 since Jun 2009
Thanks: 32,314 given, 97,611 received


MetalTrade View Post
Here is an example on my screen setups I use, so you non-sierrachart users have an idea. Everything is possible, it's just more clean, fast and to the point. You might call it crisp and neat....and correct.

Also support doesn't say to me : re-install sierracharts, or can't reproduce it, they have some kind of a guy over there working day and night and answering all questions with an ANSWER. Wow. Kudos to Sierracharts. I'm learning their DOM and chart trader so I can use it to the max.

Attachment 26654

That's good and users should definitely go out of their way to support developers like that. I feel the same for MultiCharts. It used to be enough to just be a paying customer and expect/demand a certain level of performance and support, but these days it seems to be no longer the case -- you have to show your support when it is due, because too many companies don't truly understand "give customers what they want".

Mike

We're here to help -- just ask

For the best trading education, watch our webinars
Searching for trading reviews? Review this list

Follow us on Twitter, YouTube, and Facebook

Support our community as an Elite Member:
https://futures.io/elite/
Follow me on Twitter Visit my futures io Trade Journal
 
(login for full post details)
  #186 (permalink)
Austin, TX & Las Vegas, NV
 
Experience: Advanced
Platform: Investor RT Pro, NT 7.0
Trading: ES, DAX, CL, 6E
 
FulcrumTrader's Avatar
 
Posts: 230 since Mar 2010
Thanks: 32 given, 287 received


MetalTrade View Post
Here ya go, I putted some chart trader stuff on it too :-)

I still have to find what another DOM can do that SC's DOM can't.

Attachment 26656

Perfect...thanks!

Can you now show me your daily P&L!

.

.

.

.

.

.

.

JK........LOL!

 
(login for full post details)
  #187 (permalink)
Site Administrator
Swing Trader
Data Scientist & DevOps
Manta, Ecuador
 
Experience: Advanced
Platform: My own custom solution
Trading: Emini Futures
 
Big Mike's Avatar
 
Posts: 49,790 since Jun 2009
Thanks: 32,314 given, 97,611 received


David View Post
Does anyone know how to fix this problem?

Please put it in another thread so this one doesn't go

Mike

We're here to help -- just ask

For the best trading education, watch our webinars
Searching for trading reviews? Review this list

Follow us on Twitter, YouTube, and Facebook

Support our community as an Elite Member:
https://futures.io/elite/
Follow me on Twitter Visit my futures io Trade Journal
 
(login for full post details)
  #188 (permalink)
Site Administrator
Swing Trader
Data Scientist & DevOps
Manta, Ecuador
 
Experience: Advanced
Platform: My own custom solution
Trading: Emini Futures
 
Big Mike's Avatar
 
Posts: 49,790 since Jun 2009
Thanks: 32,314 given, 97,611 received


aslan View Post
I have been very pleasantly surprised so far, but have a lot to look at still.

aslan, I look forward to your full review

Mike

We're here to help -- just ask

For the best trading education, watch our webinars
Searching for trading reviews? Review this list

Follow us on Twitter, YouTube, and Facebook

Support our community as an Elite Member:
https://futures.io/elite/
Follow me on Twitter Visit my futures io Trade Journal
 
(login for full post details)
  #189 (permalink)
Madison, WI
 
Experience: Advanced
Platform: ALT
Trading: ES
 
aslan's Avatar
 
Posts: 616 since Jan 2010
Thanks: 351 given, 1,109 received

One really nice feature about SC, is everything is in one directory. It is purposefully designed, so you can grab the entire platform and move it to another PC with ease. No registry crap, just one dir tree that you can grab.

The following 2 users say Thank You to aslan for this post:
 
(login for full post details)
  #190 (permalink)
 
 
Posts: 1,081 since May 2010


Big Mike View Post
That's good and users should definitely go out of their way to support developers like that. I feel the same for MultiCharts. It used to be enough to just be a paying customer and expect/demand a certain level of performance and support, but these days it seems to be no longer the case -- you have to show your support when it is due, because too many companies don't truly understand "give customers what they want".

Mike

Mike, I jumped on sierracharts when I was a little bit disappointed in seeing the MC implementation of the dom and the chart trader. Just really basic stuff copied, nothing new, and really not complete at all......I would say to Multicharts: Too little and too late...

Maybe I'm wrong.

 
(login for full post details)
  #191 (permalink)
 
 
Posts: 1,081 since May 2010


aslan View Post
One really nice feature about SC, is everything is in one directory. It is purposefully designed, so you can grab the entire platform and move it to another PC with ease. No registry crap, just one dir tree that you can grab.

Exactly, tell me, why would you want to have it otherwise ?

If you program something, just put it all in one directory, no messy things left and right no voodoo registry etc... Sierracharts got that one right. It seems to be they started coding with some cool rules: 'let's make it stable, fast and clean' .. (they forgot simple though...:-) )

 
(login for full post details)
  #192 (permalink)
 
 
Posts: 1,081 since May 2010

Here the DOM in a separate window, not on the chart


 
(login for full post details)
  #193 (permalink)
Site Administrator
Swing Trader
Data Scientist & DevOps
Manta, Ecuador
 
Experience: Advanced
Platform: My own custom solution
Trading: Emini Futures
 
Big Mike's Avatar
 
Posts: 49,790 since Jun 2009
Thanks: 32,314 given, 97,611 received


MetalTrade View Post
Here the DOM in a separate window, not on the chart

Attachment 26658

What is the column to the left of the buy column?

Mike

We're here to help -- just ask

For the best trading education, watch our webinars
Searching for trading reviews? Review this list

Follow us on Twitter, YouTube, and Facebook

Support our community as an Elite Member:
https://futures.io/elite/
Follow me on Twitter Visit my futures io Trade Journal
 
(login for full post details)
  #194 (permalink)
 
 
Posts: 1,081 since May 2010

It's more information about the entries. I should/could have expended the window. See this picture:


 
(login for full post details)
  #195 (permalink)
Nashville TN USA
 
Experience: Advanced
Platform: SierraChart
Broker: Sierra Futures/SC Denali
Trading: NQ ES YM
 
Posts: 417 since Nov 2009
Thanks: 167 given, 512 received


MetalTrade View Post
If you program something, just put it all in one directory, no messy things left and right no voodoo registry etc... Sierracharts got that one right. It seems to be they started coding with some cool rules: 'let's make it stable, fast and clean' .. (they forgot simple though...:-) )

Putting everything is one directory is a pre-Windows thing, but very efficient.

Yeah, they forgot simple, but "in complexity lies flexibility".

Using the full functionality of some things is often a bit arcane, but the trade-off is you can do just about anything if you make the effort to plumb the depths.

 
(login for full post details)
  #196 (permalink)
Las Vegas, NV
 
Experience: Intermediate
Platform: Sierra Chart
Broker: Optimus/Rithmic
Trading: es
 
Posts: 36 since Aug 2010
Thanks: 19 given, 60 received

I have been going back and forth between NT and SC for the past 4 months, hoping that NT would be my final choice. However, I’m leaning heavily towards SC (and keeping NT as a backup mostly because of the gomi indicators). I don’t like the clunky feel of SC but it has several features that I really like. These factors include:
1. It is rock solid and fast. Never any problems, even the few times I experimented with it over the past 3 years. The person I spoke to at DTN told me that their clients rarely have any complaints associated with SC.
2. It is not cpu- or memory-intensive. With the charts that I use its footprint is about 1/3 that of NT (about 70MB vs. 200MB)
3. It is feature-rich.
4. Support is very responsive
5. Its MP charts have recently been vastly improved and are quite good.
6. Replaying charts does not require any prior recording.

And two other factors that might close the deal for me are:

7. SC just announced support for Rithmic. I want to open an account with Matt at Optimus and I was waiting for this support.
8. For volume analysis, I am aware that SC claims a 1 second resolution. However, when I did a 1-week comparison of SC and MD with both using IQfeed, I was surprised that the numbers were virtually identical. When there were differences, they were often in the single digits and insignificant. During this comparison I looked at the bid/ask volume at each price level as well as delta, mostly during the morning ES session using 5-range bars.

I will be doing further testing but I am beginning to believe that SC is a diamond in the rough.

The following 5 users say Thank You to sctrader for this post:
 
(login for full post details)
  #197 (permalink)
Site Administrator
Swing Trader
Data Scientist & DevOps
Manta, Ecuador
 
Experience: Advanced
Platform: My own custom solution
Trading: Emini Futures
 
Big Mike's Avatar
 
Posts: 49,790 since Jun 2009
Thanks: 32,314 given, 97,611 received

@sctrader, thanks for your review!

Mike

We're here to help -- just ask

For the best trading education, watch our webinars
Searching for trading reviews? Review this list

Follow us on Twitter, YouTube, and Facebook

Support our community as an Elite Member:
https://futures.io/elite/
Follow me on Twitter Visit my futures io Trade Journal
 
(login for full post details)
  #198 (permalink)
 
 
Posts: 1,081 since May 2010

Maybe a stupid thing, but in Sierracharts you can actually open an configuration/settings window for a certain chart and KEEP working on the other charts, even opening double/triple configuration windows at the same time.

That is really easy for me, in NT once you open some window to change a setting you have to finish that window before you're able to continue working. Not in sierracharts.

 
(login for full post details)
  #199 (permalink)
CA
 
Experience: Master
Platform: Marketdelta and Ninja
Broker: Velocity
Trading: NQ
 
Posts: 670 since Apr 2010
Thanks: 64 given, 526 received

I see alot of people are warming up to this platform.Very glad to hear that. I guess the only complaint that most people have is that its not aesthetically pleasing as other platforms. I do however agree with everyones opinions here. For the price, its an awesome platform that does everything ninja and market delta can do combined.
Metal, I didn't know about the DOM, must be new, and i like the fact that you can get 3.30 rt with velocity.
I think ninja is a little too late. Its losing more and more clients.

Ill have to check out the new feature later on this week, when i have more time.

The following 3 users say Thank You to Michael.H for this post:
 
(login for full post details)
  #200 (permalink)
the coin hunter
virginia
 
Experience: Intermediate
Platform: ninja
Trading: NQ
 
cory's Avatar
 
Posts: 6,030 since Jun 2009
Thanks: 845 given, 7,894 received

$26/month and no recurring billing so if you don't want to use it any more you just ignore the billing reminder, fantastic feature.


Closed Thread

futures io Trading Community Platforms and Indicators Sierra Chart > And what about SierraChart


Last Updated on July 24, 2011


Upcoming Webinars and Events
 

NinjaTrader Indicator Challenge!

Ongoing
 

Battlestations! Show us your trading desk - $1,500 in prizes!

March
 

Importance of Finding Your Own Way w/Adam Grimes

Elite only
 

Journal Challenge w/Jigsaw

April
     



Copyright © 2021 by futures io, s.a., Av Ricardo J. Alfaro, Century Tower, Panama, +507 833-9432, info@futures.io
All information is for educational use only and is not investment advice.
There is a substantial risk of loss in trading commodity futures, stocks, options and foreign exchange products. Past performance is not indicative of future results.
no new posts