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@josh, can you have the MP values added on any TF or chart type and keep the correct 30m values. As it is right now I have to draw horizontal lines on my tick chart for my MP values which can be a pain.

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Yes, I have, and they have. I've only been trying SC for 11 days, and they have fixed many issues that I identified. Not all, as some of them were not important enough to them. But, quite a few, and compared to the 6 or so releases NT has had in the last 1.5 years which have contained zero fixes or implementations of ideas.

@josh, sounds like they implemented or were open to implementing most of your suggestions. Just curious, what did they feel was not important?

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josh, sounds like they implemented or were open to implementing most of your suggestions. Just curious, what did they feel was not important?

I don't recall at the moment, I found a few bugs which they fixed as well.



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josh, can you have the MP values added on any TF or chart type and keep the correct 30m values. As it is right now I have to draw horizontal lines on my tick chart for my MP values which can be a pain.

I think I know what you are asking, but I have not tried it. I do not use their MP implementation though I have and it was okay.

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So when I talk about stability I'm referring to how SC behaves on my computer since no other customer of theirs ever reported such a problem similar to mine.

@arnie,

Thank you for clarifying, as it seems the stability problem may have been a rare issue related to your specific hardware and not SC itself. So you haven't experienced any stability issues with SC since you changed the RAM, but just aren't confident in it anymore?

What don't you like about SC's chart DOM or DOM? Is it missing any usability or features compared to MC, or is it just the looks of it and user preference?

The issues I've read from user feedback of SC so far are that it's not intuitive, has a steep learning curve, and is not pleasing to the eyes. It seems they have focused development of the platform to more important areas (which is great), but neglected its appearance, as its look is somewhat reminiscent of the Windows 3.1 era from 20 years ago.

Has anyone officially requested SC to update the look/feel/interface of the program to be easier to use/more intuitive, better looking, and with overall improved/updated aesthetics? With such quick development updates, one would think this could be done by them rather quickly/easily too. I would be interested to see their response to these complaints.


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Thank you for clarifying, as it seems the stability problem may have been a rare issue related to your specific hardware and not SC itself. So you haven't experienced any stability issues with SC since you changed the RAM, but just aren't confident in it anymore?

Everytime I open SC I'm always waiting for a crash
But for the past 2 months SC has performing seamlessly. Not a single issue.
Well, there's that weird reaction almost everytime I open the chart value window, it opens a very small window, where is only visible to "X" button on the top right to close it. I need to expand it so I can see the data on it. According to SC staff this is a Windows issue, not a SC issue.
Apart from this little thing, all working fine.


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What don't you like about SC's chart DOM or DOM? Is it missing any usability or features compared to MC, or is it just the looks of it and user preference?

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The issues I've read from user feedback of SC so far are that it's not intuitive, has a steep learning curve, and is not pleasing to the eyes. It seems they have focused development of the platform to more important areas (which is great), but neglected its appearance, as its look is somewhat reminiscent of the Windows 3.1 era from 20 years ago.

It's just the look of it.
I'm a very visual guy.
My background is interior design. I'm very picky when it comes to the visual aspect of a software. Many consider it just a computer program. The only thing that it need to do is to be able to perform the task that was programmed to do, everything else is just baggage.
I can't function like that. For me all needs to be in the right place. I don't care if you are talking about a kitchen cabinet or a computer software. For me it's the same thing. All needs to be in the right place for us to take the most use from it.

Sierra in this aspect it's really not the best looking software around.
It's not very intuitive, specially when you are coming from other platform. I never worked with Ninja so I can't compare it but with MC it's really different. The same thing can be said about IRT. Initially it's also not a very intuitive platform.
Yes, the learning curve can be steep but then again, it depends from where are you coming from.

SC was built to deliver charts, good and stable indicators, good and stable trading platform. The visual aspect was clearly put aside but let's face it, the majority of traders only want to trade, they have no interest looking at a Picasso painting while trading

That's why I advise people looking for a chart platform and Market/Volume Profile to go to IRT instead of SC.
Visually speaking IRT made a terrific job with their profile options. Also, they allow many other options that SC lacks.

Getting back to the DOM, again it's a visual thing.
MC's DOM is a copy of Ninja's. I find it "cleaner" than SC's.
In terms of options I confess that I did not explored that much SC's DOM but the quantity of options you have there it wouldn't surprised me if SC's DOM would offer indeed more options than MC's.



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Has anyone officially requested SC to update the look/feel/interface of the program to be easier to use/more intuitive, better looking, and with overall improved/updated aesthetics? With such quick development updates, one would think this could be done by them rather quickly/easily too. I would be interested to see their response to these complaints.

They clearly have their focus on tool functionality, not aesthetics.
I really can't argue with their option since, again, that is their main business, offer the best tools possible.

It's up to you to test it and see if your able to work with it.
If you're not a visual guy than you probably will get used to it quickly. Although difficult to understand initially, in a week or so you'll be able to work with it.
If you're a visual guy, well, only time will tell you if you get used to it or not.

If I started with SC first and then moved to IRT (I'm only discussing the chart platform here) maybe I would favored SC but "unfortunately" I started with IRT and you really miss many of IRT options when working with SC.

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That's why I advise people looking for a chart platform and Market/Volume Profile to go to IRT instead of SC.
Visually speaking IRT made a terrific job with their profile options. Also, they allow many other options that SC lacks.

Indeed, one of these is the ability to select and resize a custom drawn profile. Requiring package 5 for the "Draw profile" tool in SC is a bit laughable.


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Getting back to the DOM, again it's a visual thing.
MC's DOM is a copy of Ninja's. I find it "cleaner" than SC's.

That's probably because SC's is basically just a bunch of columns of text with some lines drawn to delineate them. I have not used MC's DOM (only once), but Ninja's DOM, Xtrader, CTS, okay, pretty much every other one, has the look of a separate type of sub-application. In sierra it looks like what it is: a chart with a DOM plastered to it with some duct tape I still see no real advantage to SC's DOM over NT's, except that it has 10 levels of depth vs. NT's 5.

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Indeed, one of these is the ability to select and resize a custom drawn profile. Requiring package 5 for the "Draw profile" tool in SC is a bit laughable.

And buttons. Don't forget the buttons.
The ability to create buttons to switch on and off any indicator, line, whatever, is something priceless.


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That's probably because SC's is basically just a bunch of columns of text with some lines drawn to delineate them. I have not used MC's DOM (only once), but Ninja's DOM, Xtrader, CTS, okay, pretty much every other one, has the look of a separate type of sub-application. In sierra it looks like what it is: a chart with a DOM plastered to it with some duct tape I still see no real advantage to SC's DOM over NT's, except that it has 10 levels of depth vs. NT's 5.

Really strange NT's DOM only showing 5 levels...

I saw a NT's DOM image and was the same as MC's.
Does NT's DOM have built in strategies like MC's? MC's developed built in strategies but I don't know if NT's also has this built in.

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And buttons. Don't forget the buttons.
The ability to create buttons to switch on and off any indicator, line, whatever, is something priceless.

Indeed, though if I may say, as much as I loved IRT, charts never did duplicate correctly, and I was always running into deleting one button from one chart, and it disappears from another, and this kind of thing. But yes, buttons were cool.



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Really strange NT's DOM only showing 5 levels...

I saw a NT's DOM image and was the same as MC's.
Does NT's DOM have built in strategies like MC's? MC's developed built in strategies but I don't know if NT's also has this built in.

Yes, NT has strategies, though you cannot add a strategy to an open position, only modify one that is already running.

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Indeed, though if I may say, as much as I loved IRT, charts never did duplicate correctly, and I was always running into deleting one button from one chart, and it disappears from another, and this kind of thing. But yes, buttons were cool.

I never had such a problem.
Now that I'm thinking about it, I remember a very similar episode where the duplication wasn't perfect but that was resolved. All charts have been correctly duplicated.
Again, never had that problem with buttons.

Probably some bug that has been cleared.

But IRT has its own issues.
I just can't understand why some preferences windows continues to be allowed to go behind a chart. It drives me nuts when I want to do something on a chart and it doesn't respond because some preferences window that I opened without noticing got behind it and as a result I can't see to close it. This is probably the only thing that stresses me over IRT.


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Yes, NT has strategies, though you cannot add a strategy to an open position, only modify one that is already running.

You can't add a strategy while the position is open?
Although having a simple stop loss strategy to be automatically attached when the position is opened on the DOM at the moment, many times I delete it and add another strategy.
If I understood you correctly, at least with MC I'm able to add a strategy to an open position.

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My favourite SC feature?

It runs on Wine.

I have tested it using crossover on OS X and it runs fairly well.

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