VirtualMark 

What's DD?

Drawdown

ApexTraderFunding 

We are NOT running out of cash, we are growing steadily. We are trying to find ways to help our traders.

@ApexTraderFunding :

1. Can you use an end of day drawdown instead of trailing unrealized profits per trade for drawdown?

2. Can you allow news trading? The risk and drawdown rules are already in place.

3. Can you allow days with outsized gains?

4. Can you allow traders to withdraw profits without being forced to trade additional days?

5. Can you allow traders to be in control to withdraw their own profits fully without constraints like small capped withdrawal limits for 3 months?

A technical trend following trader's return profile will look very different than a scalper, with infrequent outsize days when the market offers them, and will encounter these as part of their strategy.

Futures Operator 

@ApexTraderFunding : 1. Can you use an end of day drawdown instead of trailing unrealized profits per trade for drawdown? 2. Can you allow news trading? The risk and drawdown rules are already in place. 3. Can you allow days with outsized gains? 4. Can you allow traders to withdraw profits without being forced to trade additional days? 5. Can you allow traders to be in control to withdraw their own profits fully without constraints like small capped withdrawal limits for 3 months? A technical trend following trader's return profile will look very different than a scalper, with infrequent outsize days when the market offers them, and will encounter these as part of their strategy.

We are always trying to find a good balance between managing our own risk and improving certain things for our users.
I will certainly put that on our list which will be reviewed by our upper management.

@ApexTraderFunding

Any news on ERUEX with Rithmic ?

ApexTraderFunding.com experience and review I can't promise anything but I will bring this up during the next meeting with Rithmic.

ApexTraderFunding 

We are always trying to find a good balance between managing our own risk and improving certain things for our users. I will certainly put that on our list which will be reviewed by our upper management.

@ApexTraderFunding , can you clarify - If a trader who's strategy is specifically to wait for higher probability market conditions like trend days, which happen rarely maybe 10% of the time, but make the large majority of their profits only on those days, will they not receive their pay due to the 30% consistency rule?

I see Micro BTC listed, but not the larger Mini BTC, is it available, especially in the larger accounts allowing more full size mini contracts?

Let us know on any changes in policy regarding the previously mentioned questions above.

VirtualMark 

Some of the traps I've seen are: XXX amount of days before you can take some of your profit, and you lose your entire profit if you break a rule in that time. Trades they won't pay out on(Apex has rules on this, if they don't fit in your plan they won't pay). Rules against trading news events, not allowed 5 minutes before and after etc.

@VirtualMark , can you clarify how can you lose your entire profit if you break a rule while waiting for payout, and what type of rule are you referring to?

Futures Operator 

@VirtualMark , can you clarify how can you lose your entire profit if you break a rule while waiting for payout, and what type of rule are you referring to?

Hi, it doesn't apply to Apex and I went a bit off topic there. But some firms have daily loss limits in place, and if you hit it then you lose your account, including any profits generated. Apex doesn't have a daily loss limit, but they do have a lot of other hoops to jump through to get a payout. Such as a minimum 10 days before you get a payout, a 30% rule for one day and only certain times of the month where you can request a payout.

Curious any long term members on here who have been around for a while, with a higher post count, who have posted quite a bit, and not just about apex, used them for a live account, and could share their experience?

Hello Marion,

could I please bring the 20% flipping rule* to your attention? I just had 3 payouts denied due to it. I'd assume the spirit of the law would be to avoid users making a quick buck and then adding 1-tick a day until a payout is possible. But in my case, I had 18 real traded days (more than the 10 necessary for a payout) but also had the habit to 1-tick every account every day and my accounts are now at 39, 67 and 70 total days. To now obey the 20% flipping rule and ever take a payout from those accounts, I will need 180 more real traded days. While not impossible and while I have other funded accounts, I feel like this punishment is straying from the idea of avoiding users adding a few 1-tick days so they can get the 10 days required for a payout. Could you please consider a change to the rule terms or add the possibility to change the number of traded days back to 0? I'd just redo 10 real traded days.

*: Having large trading day / days, then only "flipping" contracts in an attempt to meet
the minimum required days to request a withdrawal is prohibited and will result in a denial of
payout request until consistency is shown. A trader may not have more than 20% of trading
days that could be defined as flipping of any kind. Company is seeking consistent, day to day
trading systems, not erratic trading, jumping from system to system, or working the system to
reach a payout request date.

Thank you

Null065 

Hello Marion, could I please bring the 20% flipping rule* to your attention? I just had 3 payouts denied due to it. I'd assume the spirit of the law would be to avoid users making a quick buck and then adding 1-tick a day until a payout is possible. But in my case, I had 18 real traded days (more than the 10 necessary for a payout) but also had the habit to 1-tick every account every day and my accounts are now at 39, 67 and 70 total days. To now obey the 20% flipping rule and ever take a payout from those accounts, I will need 180 more real traded days. While not impossible and while I have other funded accounts, I feel like this punishment is straying from the idea of avoiding users adding a few 1-tick days so they can get the 10 days required for a payout. Could you please consider a change to the rule terms or add the possibility to change the number of traded days back to 0? I'd just redo 10 real traded days. *: Having large trading day / days, then only "flipping" contracts in an attempt to meet the minimum required days to request a withdrawal is prohibited and will result in a denial of payout request until consistency is shown. A trader may not have more than 20% of trading days that could be defined as flipping of any kind. Company is seeking consistent, day to day trading systems, not erratic trading, jumping from system to system, or working the system to reach a payout request date. Thank you

Please submit a ticket to the helpdesk - ATT Marion - include your account numbers and we will look into it.

Tx Marion