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looks nice jeff
how do you get the diamonds to print at the bottom like that...? strategy?

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Hey Websouth,

The diamonds are placed manually for illustation purposes. I just wanted to draw attention to the alignment of the two panels.

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I've been thinking of adding the ES as a possible trading vehicle in addition to the YM.

I posted an ES chart of todays action that includes the EMA 20 as a guide for trend in panel 2 and the WMA 8 in panel 3. Note the diamonds that signal blue on blue and red on red in panels 2 and 3. So far I like the 7 range bar chart.

Although this is essentially the same "All you Need" approach....I like the fact that panel one is cleaned up. It's easier to see the price without the squiggly lines. I removed the swing high/low and manually draw them to keep me engaged.

Jeff

Jeff - I love it. My experience which is very limited is this that YM runs stops more than ES which is a real pain. YM can run a stop by $5 but ES it'd be $12.50 due to tick size differences. Plus I think ES has more big traders and they don't want the stops run so they support the market at key turning points.

I like how your chart is completely free of indicators. I also like how you draw your swing lines manually. I do that too cause it really only takes 1 second (unless I can't get the line perfectly horizontal and that's very frustrating) and my analysis of these swing pivots takes a lot more than 1 second so really it isn't any extra work. To the contrary it keeps me on my toes like you said.

This is very similar to how I trade Euro & CL, but I use a 5 min chart. 5min is good for Euro but for CL the swings are very big and require very large stops so it's challenging. Perhaps I should be looking at a range chart for CL after all.

Ok now my question for ES is this: What are your stop & profit targets?

Thanks for sharing this new ES template. I'm going to try it today.

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I like how your chart is completely free of indicators.
Thanks for sharing this new ES template. I'm going to try it today.

i dont rule out being blind but what chart are you talking about here cunparis? i just reviewed the last three pages of this thread and didn't see it. i love to see indicator free charts with manually drawn trend lines.

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i dont rule out being blind but what chart are you talking about here cunparis? i just reviewed the last three pages of this thread and didn't see it. i love to see indicator free charts with manually drawn trend lines.

I was referring to panel 1, sauf the paintbar which doesn't bother me cause it's a range chart.

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Hey Cunparis,

I tried the set up on CL and it works with it also on a 6 range bar chart. See attached chart......scalp good for +10

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What paintbar & settings did you use?
How do you get the yellow and shaded colors in tout MA's?
It looks like the MA colors might not change until near the end of the bar, which could make for a late entry.

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Works on 6E also. Used a 9 range bar chart.

I'll get the settings for you. +10 scalp

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OK.......Sharky has agreed to release the paintbar studies. So.....here they are. His only request was that Zeller got credit for his contribution. I also know that Dragon converted the original version to other moving averages and sent them to me. So thanks to Dragon also. These paintbars studies are tied to the moving average of your choice.

What I did was take them off panel 1 and put them in panel 2 and 3. Panel 2 for longer term trend. Panel 3 follows price more closely. The format was Wizard's idea. If you want to know how to set it up check out Wizard's post earlier in the thread. (that's where I learned it)

So, have fun and thanks Sharky.

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Hey Cunparis,

I tried the set up on CL and it works with it also on a 6 range bar chart. See attached chart......scalp good for +10

Your test was overnight. CL is too volatile for 6 range. I'm trying 9 and I think it's not enough. Probably should use 12 or 15. But it depends on the profit target and stop and if you want runners.

The problem with trading too low a timeframe (6 range) is it's just noise. CL can move 300 ticks/day so 6 is just noise.

I usually trade CL with 5 min. The problem with this is the bars are very tall you often have to use a stop of 30+ ticks. That's a lot of risk. Using smaller timeframe gives you a smaller stop but it's more likely to be hit cause the stop is based on noise.

Takes a while to find the optimum setup and it's unique for everyone. Some trade on hourly charts.

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