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Fortunately, people are rational when their own survival is at stake. When it's politics, or other peoples' survival, maybe not so much. But few will rush in to situations that may not be safe for them, just in case. We will have to see if the instinct for self-preservation continues to function or not.
Bob.
When one door closes, another opens.
-- Cervantes, Don Quixote
The seasonal flu kills 0.1 percent of people infected, but the new coronavirus has already killed 0.1 percent of the entire population of the state of New York. That may seem like a small percentage. But imagine the entire country getting hit as badly as New York state: 0.1 percent of the U.S. population is 330,000 people. And there’s no reason to believe that New York’s current death toll marks the upper limit of the virus’s lethality.
R.I.P. Roy Goldberg (srgtroy), 1965-2023.
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I totally agree, and agree also with both the "forum being open to varied perspectives" and with being "Tired of the whole topic."
Although tired of all this, I'll just add this statistic:
As of tonight, Johns Hopkins University is reporting that the US has had a total of 839,675 confirmed cases, and 46,853 definite covid-related deaths. That works out to 5.58% actual real mortality rate for infected people in the US to date. It is being found that quite a few deaths that were attributed to pneumonia or heart disease or other causes were really due to covid, but this is not included in these numbers. The flu has a mortality rate of about 0.1%.
By the way, the rate of increase in the US is going up at an insane rate. Also from Johns Hopkins, here is the whole picture (US only), including the rate of new infections:
This is really not some kind of minor thing that is being exaggerated by the media or by the villain or your choice. It's actually happening.
And I am deathly tired of talking about this, just as if there were some reason to doubt it....
Bob.
When one door closes, another opens.
-- Cervantes, Don Quixote
I am not interested in inflating the issue, nor deflating it. At this point I am only interested in rendering an increasingly accurate picture of this phenomenon based on the science alone. But its tiresome to hear constant assertions that in fact basically nothing happened out of the ordinary. If so, why were hospitals around the globe completely over-run? That doesn't happen every year during the seasonal flu. Something is going on and we need to figure out what exactly. People may feel like there was an initial over-reaction, and that might turn out to be the case, but if so, it is only because we were horribly under-prepared and had to react blindly.
We can leave the political blame game as to why that was the case till after we get things back to 'normal'. Right now I'm more interested in understanding what 'normal' looks like and how we get there. I suspect normal will mean different things to different people depending, in part, on their age and health.
R.I.P. Roy Goldberg (srgtroy), 1965-2023.
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I had a good discussion with my neighbor the other day, who supports Trump (he doesn't like him, but he supports his policies; I don't like him either, and I don't support his policies ). He and I completely agreed about the virus and about what we should be doing about it (he owns a company that is shut down due to the restrictions, so he has serious skin in the game.) We also agreed that it is a damn shame that everything is partisan now, and that politicians on opposite sides don't trust each other and can't work with each other except under unusual conditions. He said that they used to be able to find some mutual ground and get things done, and I absolutely agreed.
He said that in the daily briefings, they should cut the political talk in the beginning and let the doctors come on and tell us what we need to know. How could anyone disagree?
Not everything is political. Not everything is about what side you are on. Not everything is about your side winning. (This is meant as a general comment on politics, not toward anyone on this forum. Members are both diverse in their opinions and mutually respectful, on the whole, although often argumentative, which is totally fine.)
As on this forum, there needs to be a tolerance and acceptance of other points of view, civility toward others and a willingness to accept that others have an equal right to what they believe, but that we still need to find common ground when it matters.
Somehow, this has dropped out of public discourse.
Fortunately, I think that most regular people still think this way. It is said that Tip O'Neill and Ronald Reagan (I hope people reading this will still know who these guys were ) could argue and fight all day and then have a drink together that night. Probably this is just a story, but it's what we should aim for.
Just my opinion, but it is my opinion.
Bob.
When one door closes, another opens.
-- Cervantes, Don Quixote
i wouldnt say hospitals around the globe were completely over-run, here in europe there were some areas which had problems like bergamo and madrid, but overral its wasnt like the mainstream media would like it to be, in germany most of the hospitals were most of the time empty, bracause they wouldnt allow other patients than covid, and the covid patients didnt really showed up. yet, all they show in the media is a constant stream of fear...
if you check the mortality data for germany, you will see that the last few months less people died than in the years before.
in other eu countrys there are increased spikes this year.
). He and I completely agreed about the virus and about what we should be doing about it (he owns a company that is shut down due to the restrictions, so he has serious skin in the game.) We also agreed that it is a damn shame that everything is partisan now, and that politicians on opposite sides don't trust each other and can't work with each other except under unusual conditions. He said that they used to be able to find some mutual ground and get things done, and I absolutely agreed.
) could argue and fight all day and then have a drink together that night. Probably this is just a story, but it's what we should aim for.
