shortski 

Not sure where you are getting your info but as the saying goes "There are 2 sides to every story". If you violate the terms/conditions on any site, they have rights that sometime include measures such as banning you. Most sites will give you warnings first (which was done in at least one case at MBox) and if things escalate to ... 'poor choices' on the part of the subscriber, then there are consequences. These are legally required to be laid out in the Terms and Conditions. I am a client of MBox. I am a very happy client of MBox. I have never seen Mike do anything that was in any way not 100% directed at helping his members. No idea if you know someone who was banned or not. No idea if you are someone who was banned. But if you were to compare happy members with a few who are not there anymore, I think the math alone would speak volumes to your case. Obviously, this is my side of the story.

Mike should have an open few days or one week in the chat room. Let it be free so people can see for themselves. Even something after trading hours if that worked better.

Why is all the risk on the consumer side?

Raving reviews are easy to make.

fryguy2 

Mike should have an open few days or one week in the chat room. Let it be free so people can see for themselves. Even something after trading hours if that worked better. Why is all the risk on the consumer side? Raving reviews are easy to make.

Selfishly, I would much rather have Mike spend his time continuing to improve MBoxwave than deal with all the hassles involved with free trials and the like.

And, even if he did do as you asked, it would still not address the only question that people always seem to ignore - can I make money using this tool (or indicator, or trading education, etc.)? That is the ONLY thing that should matter.

12VMan 

Selfishly, I would much rather have Mike spend his time continuing to improve MBoxwave than deal with all the hassles involved with free trials and the like. And, even if he did do as you asked, it would still not address the only question that people always seem to ignore - can I make money using this tool (or indicator, or trading education, etc.)? That is the ONLY thing that should matter.

The problem is you can't answer that question unless you pay the non refundable fee.

Would I pay for a new car upfront without being able to test drive it or talk to other owners? Nope.

All the risk is on the consumer. Nothing on Mike. Letting people access a chat room for free costs nothing. Not offering something like that means you have something to hide.

You would think if the students were having great success, why no YouTube videos?

plenty of sites have the same policies

and

if you would actually go to YouTube and do a Search you would see why

Full disclosure - I am a client of MBox and NO issues at all

Full disclosure from you - why do you have so much anger towards a site you have never investigated? If you don't like it - fine. Get something that suits you. Why waste your time and energy explaining something you are not even using?

fryguy2 

The problem is you can't answer that question unless you pay the non refundable fee. Would I pay for a new car upfront without being able to test drive it or talk to other owners? Nope. All the risk is on the consumer. Nothing on Mike. Letting people access a chat room for free costs nothing. Not offering something like that means you have something to hide. You would think if the students were having great success, why no YouTube videos?

You’re not going to be able to answer the only question that matters, i.e. does this fit me / can I make money using it, from a free trial of anything, imo. It takes months, if not years, to develop a system, figure out what market environments it works well in / doesn’t work well in, etc. Not to mention all the things/patterns your subconscious picks up on with experience.

Mike has made a ton of recordings available on YouTube that outline how he uses MBoxwave. It should be enough for a trader to decide - yeah, this supports my beliefs about the market / fits me or no, it doesn’t fit me. I will repeat again - one trader(s) ability to make money using a certain tool / indicator / teacher has little to no correlation to whether YOU can have similar results. There are far too many variables, not the least of which is what is going on in each person(s) head.

MBoxwave “works” exactly as it’s supposed to. Whether an individual trader can derive edge from it is dependent on the trader, how they are using MBoxwave, and (most importantly imo) whether they are psychologically able to act like a professional trader. I will say that if you’re a Wyckoff-oriented trader, MBoxwave can help eliminate some of the subjectivity of the Method.

Back to the free trial part. I have been in the software industry for more years than I care to admit. Every company I’ve worked for that started off with free trials ended up ending the policy. It’s a lot of work for a lot of extra headaches. People that like free tend to be the biggest nightmares to deal with in terms of support, unreasonable demands, etc. It’s a giant time suck.


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I have to chime in here. I recently bought the Mbox Wave grandfather package. I've been scammed before (joined the 3000 Club a couple of times years ago before I went my own way). There is no holy grail, Mike doesn't promote that and he's the first to say it. We are all suspicious, rightly so, and the moderators here are excellent and I appreciate their vigilance for the community. But I have to tell you--Mike is the real deal. He has the chops to have programmed this, and given the value, the product and training are pretty amazing, and he supports *everyone* in their questions like no one I have ever seen. I would selfishly like to say no one should ever buy this, only because it is very effective and I don't want the edge eroded. But Mike is deserving my business IMHO (though this is really a side gig for him i think) and he is committed to keeping the research going through updates. This is a legitimately valuable product and approach, and he is very generous in terms of what he teaches and the support he gives. It won't last forever, and I don't blame him for not allowing a demo, because if you watch his videos, and you are at all familiar with the order flow concept, you will likely immediately see the value of what he's done (at least I did). It's a step above everything else out there. Could I spend a huge amount of time re-creating it? Sure, maybe, but why? And I have found him to be nothing but completely honest and straightforward, and a real trader who is sharing what he has learned very freely. Sure, he's a business man, but we all are. So just wanted to put that out there, I have no agenda except I think this is a guy who is very smart and has made something unique and valuable, and wants to teach something that is really cool. I'm happy to talk directly with anyone about it. James

The Romans used to say Caveat emptor

MBOXX ( similar to Weis Wave )/Wyckoff Reviewing this thread, and the total posts by zextra, has been enlightening. It is clear that "zextra" is the same user as the previously-banned mboxwave, who was banned for vendor self-promotion. On Dec 5, 2017, as "zextra," he …

tradetradetrade 

I have to chime in here. I recently bought the Mbox Wave grandfather package. I've been scammed before (joined the 3000 Club a couple of times years ago before I went my own way). There is no holy grail, Mike doesn't promote that and he's the first to say it. We are all suspicious, rightly so, and the moderators here are excellent and I appreciate their vigilance for the community. But I have to tell you--Mike is the real deal. He has the chops to have programmed this, and given the value, the product and training are pretty amazing, and he supports *everyone* in their questions like no one I have ever seen. I would selfishly like to say no one should ever buy this, only because it is very effective and I don't want the edge eroded. But Mike is deserving my business IMHO (though this is really a side gig for him i think) and he is committed to keeping the research going through updates. This is a legitimately valuable product and approach, and he is very generous in terms of what he teaches and the support he gives. It won't last forever, and I don't blame him for not allowing a demo, because if you watch his videos, and you are at all familiar with the order flow concept, you will likely immediately see the value of what he's done (at least I did). It's a step above everything else out there. Could I spend a huge amount of time re-creating it? Sure, maybe, but why? And I have found him to be nothing but completely honest and straightforward, and a real trader who is sharing what he has learned very freely. Sure, he's a business man, but we all are. So just wanted to put that out there, I have no agenda except I think this is a guy who is very smart and has made something unique and valuable, and wants to teach something that is really cool. I'm happy to talk directly with anyone about it. James

One post since 2012? Hmmmm! LOL

Yes I tend to lurk without posting...so what?...but I thought it was right to say something here. Do you think I signed up for this site 10 years ago and have been waiting here like a sleeper cell? Take what I said for what you want to...I'm just giving you what I've experienced.

@tradetradetrade,

Please use normal professional courtesy and do not post rude remarks to other members. Your recent post has been deleted.

If you have an issue with something said by another member, report it to the moderators and let us deal with it.

Bob.