NexusFi: Find Your Edge


Home Menu

 





Unable to follow my rules and result is string of losses. How to break this habbit ?


Discussion in Psychology and Money Management

Updated
      Top Posters
    1. looks_one manishchan with 8 posts (13 thanks)
    2. looks_two Traderwolf with 3 posts (6 thanks)
    3. looks_3 bobwest with 2 posts (7 thanks)
    4. looks_4 tturner86 with 2 posts (4 thanks)
      Best Posters
    1. looks_one Fadi with 16 thanks per post
    2. looks_two sptrader with 6 thanks per post
    3. looks_3 bobwest with 3.5 thanks per post
    4. looks_4 manishchan with 1.6 thanks per post
    1. trending_up 5,240 views
    2. thumb_up 75 thanks given
    3. group 7 followers
    1. forum 24 posts
    2. attach_file 0 attachments




 
Search this Thread

Unable to follow my rules and result is string of losses. How to break this habbit ?

  #1 (permalink)
manishchan
Hyderabad, India
 
Posts: 9 since Oct 2014
Thanks Given: 36
Thanks Received: 13

When I was new to trading and in learning phase, I came across many diff strategies based on break outs, failures, candlesticks, indicators etc and almost tried all. Very soon I realized dt in order to be successful, I need to just stick wid 1-2 of the strategies.. follow them religiously. If there are trades based on them, take it else be patience.

Now, the methods (1-2 dt I trade) have been well back tested and I know they have positive expectancy and wil give me profit over a period (ie..all months profitable in last 2 years of back testing and continues to be on paper)

Here are my problems that keep haunting me on and off :

1. In my mind, I know I have to trade ONLY the methods A and B. Any other set ups that I see, I will ignore. But this doesn't happen everyday. Very often, I end up trading other methods unconsciously and realize only at EOD with deep hole in my ledger. How to get out of this mental practice ?

2. I understand that all trades can't be winners and we have to let go when some trades end up on losses. But unfortunately, the moment I see my ledger small red in the morning, my entire focus goes on to try to cover those losses. During this period, my entire focus gets lost. I forget dt I have to follow my rules and methods but I end up taking trade left right and center based on the next set up I see. needless to say I end up over trading on the day and the losses eat up probably the last 2-3 days profits as well. What is wrong with me.. I tell myself everyday that "I will not do this today". Some days goes fine with this mantra but most of days.. my over trading and trying to cover losses over take me. How can I control myself and be disciplined with my rules and trades ?

Just to add... when I see losses..I unconciously switch down to lower time frame and try to take (basically make up) a set up so that I can take a trade.. make it profitable and cover the losses... aahh (facepalm)

Reply With Quote

Can you help answer these questions
from other members on NexusFi?
Trade idea based off three indicators.
Traders Hideout
MC PL editor upgrade
MultiCharts
REcommedations for programming help
Sierra Chart
NT7 Indicator Script Troubleshooting - Camarilla Pivots
NinjaTrader
How to apply profiles
Traders Hideout
 
Best Threads (Most Thanked)
in the last 7 days on NexusFi
Spoo-nalysis ES e-mini futures S&P 500
29 thanks
Just another trading journal: PA, Wyckoff & Trends
25 thanks
Tao te Trade: way of the WLD
24 thanks
Bigger Wins or Fewer Losses?
23 thanks
GFIs1 1 DAX trade per day journal
17 thanks
  #3 (permalink)
 
ratfink's Avatar
 ratfink 
Birmingham UK
Market Wizard
 
Experience: Intermediate
Platform: NinjaTrader
Broker: TST/Rithmic
Trading: YM/Gold
Posts: 3,633 since Dec 2012
Thanks Given: 17,423
Thanks Received: 8,425


The only thing that has ever worked for me is going for a walk (often long ones..)

Travel Well
Visit my NexusFi Trade Journal Reply With Quote
  #4 (permalink)
 
sptrader's Avatar
 sptrader 
Colorado
 
Experience: Advanced
Platform: MultiCharts
Broker: IB & Iqfeed
Trading: ES , CL
Posts: 535 since Apr 2010
Thanks Given: 1,097
Thanks Received: 701

Sim trade until you can trade like "Spock" ... emotionless and disciplined.. track your trades and why you took them..usually patterns will appear to help you to "stick with what works" ...
Patience is critical to being a disciplined and profitable trader..
Let the market come to you, don't chase it, or try to "make up" a setup just for the action or to get money back..
Trading is a job, treat it with the respect that it deserves...or it will punish you..

Reply With Quote
  #5 (permalink)
 
deaddog's Avatar
 deaddog 
Prince George BC Canada
Legendary Market Wizard
 
Experience: Advanced
Platform: National Bank Direct
Broker: NBD/BMO/Questrade
Trading: Stocks
Frequency: Every few days
Duration: Weeks
Posts: 1,300 since May 2013
Thanks Given: 184
Thanks Received: 4,041

Start a journal.
Post your trades in real time giving the reason for the trade and the planned exits.
You'll be surprised how being accountable to a bunch of strangers will change your behavior.

"The days when I keep my gratitude higher than my expectations, I have really good days" RW Hubbard
Reply With Quote
Thanked by:
  #6 (permalink)
 Stops5 
Tampere/Finland
 
Experience: Beginner
Platform: Sierra Chart
Broker: Edge Clear
Trading: Futures
Posts: 91 since Mar 2011
Thanks Given: 302
Thanks Received: 93

Brett Steenbarger's blog is hands down the best trading psychology blog and there is a lot of things related to your problems. Start reading this if you haven't already: Three Top Reasons Why Traders Fail to Trade Their Plans and this Why 90% of the Mental Game is Your Trading

Reply With Quote
Thanked by:
  #7 (permalink)
manishchan
Hyderabad, India
 
Posts: 9 since Oct 2014
Thanks Given: 36
Thanks Received: 13

Thank you very much guys ! Appreciate the responses !

Over this weekend, I have been going through a loads of articles and youtube videos and have noted down some really nice things. Gotta work on them over the next few days/weeks.

Reply With Quote
Thanked by:
  #8 (permalink)
 
Traderwolf's Avatar
 Traderwolf 
Raleigh,NC
 
Experience: None
Platform: Versatile and Stable
Broker: Reliable and Accurate
Trading: Money
Posts: 250 since Feb 2012
Thanks Given: 154
Thanks Received: 1,028


manishchan View Post
Here are my problems that keep haunting me on and off :

1. In my mind, I know I have to trade ONLY the methods A and B. Any other set ups that I see, I will ignore. But this doesn't happen everyday. Very often, I end up trading other methods unconsciously and realize only at EOD with deep hole in my ledger. How to get out of this mental practice ?

2. I understand that all trades can't be winners and we have to let go when some trades end up on losses. But unfortunately, the moment I see my ledger small red in the morning, my entire focus goes on to try to cover those losses. During this period, my entire focus gets lost. I forget dt I have to follow my rules and methods but I end up taking trade left right and center based on the next set up I see. needless to say I end up over trading on the day and the losses eat up probably the last 2-3 days profits as well. What is wrong with me.. I tell myself everyday that "I will not do this today". Some days goes fine with this mantra but most of days.. my over trading and trying to cover losses over take me. How can I control myself and be disciplined with my rules and trades ?
(

How long have you had this trading plan and how much have you traded it in SIM or live?

Wolf

Reply With Quote
Thanked by:
  #9 (permalink)
manishchan
Hyderabad, India
 
Posts: 9 since Oct 2014
Thanks Given: 36
Thanks Received: 13


Traderwolf View Post
How long have you had this trading plan and how much have you traded it in SIM or live?

Wolf

Hv been trying to trade this particular method since the last 3-4 months. 1 month of paper trading wid it but then I started live coz paper trading doesn't help me much. The real scenario comes in when we hv to the real money in the play.

Yes..I am playing with smaller contract size for now.. but profitwise, its like I move 2 steps forward and 1 backward.. sometimes 1 forward and 2 back.

Reply With Quote
Thanked by:
  #10 (permalink)
 
Traderwolf's Avatar
 Traderwolf 
Raleigh,NC
 
Experience: None
Platform: Versatile and Stable
Broker: Reliable and Accurate
Trading: Money
Posts: 250 since Feb 2012
Thanks Given: 154
Thanks Received: 1,028



manishchan View Post
Hv been trying to trade this particular method since the last 3-4 months. 1 month of paper trading wid it but then I started live coz paper trading doesn't help me much. The real scenario comes in when we hv to the real money in the play.

Yes..I am playing with smaller contract size for now.. but profitwise, its like I move 2 steps forward and 1 backward.. sometimes 1 forward and 2 back.


Couple more questions .. How did you do in SIM? Did you follow your plan every day? Did you make consistent money? Did you demonstrate 2 main things:

1. The plan has an edge?
2. You can see the setups(edges) and trade the plan at the hard right edge at market speed?

Wolf

PS.. Only asking these question to see how much time and effort you have put into your trading plan and SIM testing it.. Many do not spend enough time in that phase of trading IMO.... Only you know the answer to that.

Reply With Quote
Thanked by:




Last Updated on November 28, 2014


© 2024 NexusFi™, s.a., All Rights Reserved.
Av Ricardo J. Alfaro, Century Tower, Panama City, Panama, Ph: +507 833-9432 (Panama and Intl), +1 888-312-3001 (USA and Canada)
All information is for educational use only and is not investment advice. There is a substantial risk of loss in trading commodity futures, stocks, options and foreign exchange products. Past performance is not indicative of future results.
About Us - Contact Us - Site Rules, Acceptable Use, and Terms and Conditions - Privacy Policy - Downloads - Top
no new posts