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I agree it's not about strategies or setups in the platform itself. If you find one, that's nice, but I haven't. I use it only as confirmation of my own automated signals. I attended their last webinar on Friday last. The person conducting the webinar was pointing out a lot of arbitrary potential trades which never happened - "it's up, it's down" etc. So I understand where's you're coming from. However, as a trading tool, I like it because it is graphic. But it's not a crystal ball or a fortune teller.

I am glad the visuals help your trading. I think it is great that you use it to confirm your own signals.

I would however be interested to see the times when everything is aligned and confirmed as you said, but the trade doesn't work out. Would you put this down to bad luck, a mis-read, one of those things etc. or just part of the statistics of trading because we don't profit on every trade.

My trades don't always work out even when the conditions are met and the setup is virtually identical to a previous trade. IMO that is just one of those things.

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I am glad the visuals help your trading. I think it is great that you use it to confirm your own signals.

I would however be interested to see the times when everything is aligned and confirmed as you said, but the trade doesn't work out. Would you put this down to bad luck, a mis-read, one of those things etc. or just part of the statistics of trading because we don't profit on every trade.

My trades don't always work out even when the conditions are met and the setup is virtually identical to a previous trade. IMO that is just one of those things.

Absolutely. As I said in my last post, I bailed more losers than winners today even though I had some confirmation on the platforms. But I do tend to take some risky trades in the CL because it rotates "x" ticks on the bars so usually I can calculate where to get in and out. Today was tough trading. In retrospect, if you looked at my chart it's a work of art! But managing those trades was miserable. See attached.

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phantomtrader, are you using volume or CVD bubbles?

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phantomtrader, are you using volume or CVD bubbles?

Volume only. You can see the volume distribution on the bubbles. After a while, it becomes obvious whether the market is rotating or starting to be directional. It helps, but it's not magic. Takes time to interpret.

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great, I prefer the CVD bubbles, but each trader has different views

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great, I prefer the CVD bubbles, but each trader has different views

It took me a very long time to interpret Jigsaw - I just didn't get it. Then one day it clicked and it's indispensable now. Bookmap may turn out the same way. Time will tell. Right now it appears to be useful.

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Can you mention which column of numbers is the most useful for you in Jigsaw...you can setup the same numbers in Bookmap as well


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Can you mention which column of numbers is the most useful for you in Jigsaw...you can setup the same numbers in Bookmap as well


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See attached. I use the actual orders that are executed plus watch the net number in the far right column. Watching that number gives you an idea of how fast/slow the market is trading. The limit orders in the red/blue columns are practically useless because a lot of them are fake and change rapidly. I stopped looking at them completely.

The profile is also useful - the CL especially trades around the volume nodes. Once it breaks through one of those nodes, it's usually a slam dunk for a trade.

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Attached is today's action in NQ with Sierras version of a heatmap. Clearly seen are the algos hard at work bracketing price down and up.

My question is, what are they trying to accomplish? These are obviously not stop orders since they are set at limit. They seem to be orders that never get filled. What's the point?

Any ideas?

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Attached is today's action in NQ with Sierras version of a heatmap. Clearly seen are the algos hard at work bracketing price down and up.

My question is, what are they trying to accomplish? These are obviously not stop orders since they are set at limit. They seem to be orders that never get filled. What's the point?

Any ideas?

How do you know they're algos? How do you know they're not just scalpers running up and down the ladder? In the end, what difference does it make? Algos, hedge funds, banks etc. - it doesn't matter who's trading. The only thing that matters is that you recognize a pattern on the chart and trade it accordingly. Some people seem to think it matters that all these "algos" are trading. The fact is we do not know who is trading. It's just an opinion.
Companies like Virtu https://www.virtu.com/ provide liquidity to the market. They're in there all the time. But I don't think it should make a difference to anyone's trading style. Just deal with it.

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