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The ZenFire API allows ticks to be replayed, but the doc does not talk about how much data you can request. I do not see any interface for requesting min bar data. This interface does not go thru Ninja, so I would think that Zen stores todays ticks on the server and replays them if requested.

Hmm. I am quite certain based on everything I know about Zen that they do not provide backfill at all. Now, it seems that Rithmic may provide extremely limited backfill, and some platforms (such as MultiCharts) I think will automatically use the Rithmic backfill even when using a "Zen" connection (the same API afterall).

NinjaTrader decided they needed backfill and they were heavy early on with Zen, so it was a good partnership for NT to create their own historical backfill server for their customers. It seems based on what Luke is saying that NT will route Rithmic connections to this backfill server as well (again, same API afterall).

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@Big Mike u can read it also here Supported Data Feeds, Zen-Fire and Rithmic provide the same amount of historical data. The thing is not reallyclear , on all this issue, is the relationships between Zen-Fire and Rithmic.

Interesting, this says 1 day of tick and 5 months of 'intra-day' which I would assume means minute data. But it is wording very oddly, confusing, and contradicts the post from the MultiCharts forum I linked too earlier.

Hopefully @MultiCharts can clarify a bit.

As for relationship, I think Rithmic is the manufacturer of the product, Zen Fire is simply a white label OEM. Rithmic also says on their home page "Powered by OMNE".

If you go to Omne's site:
Omnesys Technologies, Inc.

They list Rithmic as a customer.

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On the whole OMNE note, another interesting thing I noticed some time ago is that when you first load MultiCharts, the titlebar actually says "Powered by OMNE". This is interesting, too. Does OMNE provide other trading related technologies, it would seem?

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OMNE is the Middleware MessageQue tech they are using for their ticker plant.. ... this should provide a better understanding of what the tech does..

http://www.omnesys.com/documents/The_OMNE-An_Overview_of_the_Omnesys_Meta_Network_Environment.pdf



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On the whole OMNE note, another interesting thing I noticed some time ago is that when you first load MultiCharts, the titlebar actually says "Powered by OMNE". This is interesting, too. Does OMNE provide other trading related technologies, it would seem?

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Again, hoping @MultiCharts can clarify.

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OMNE is the MQ tech they are using..

I was just coming to a similar conclusion after poking around on the website more.

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I was just coming to a similar conclusion after poking around on the website more.

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yes, if I am not mistaken I think JPM still uses them... might have moved to something more along the lines of expressWay, I dont have contacts over there anymore since my buddies moved to CSFB... for those that might be wondering what MQ does or might be and why a ticker plant would use said infra.. go to IBM site and search their redbooks for WebSphere LLM ... you will find some decent info in there as IBM redbooks are very detailed..

Personally, I think OMNE is aged tech by now.. but still holds its ground... to deal with UHFT you require something much more robust... expressway is one of those products .... and at a conference back in September in NYC I got to see something new, sub-microsecond, novaspark... I didnt pay much attention to it as I care more about overall HPC and Cloud Computing than dealing with ULT..

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I think the underlying core question here is the implementation of Zen Fire, vs Rithmic. Take Mirus for instance, their implementation of Zen Fire could be drastically different than how Rithmic implements the same data. We also know from recent other posts that there are different 'levels' of Zen Fire data, so it could mean a pretty big difference between brokers who implement Zen.

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I think the underlying core question here is the implementation of Zen Fire, vs Rithmic. Take Mirus for instance, their implementation of Zen Fire could be drastically different than how Rithmic implements the same data. We also know from recent other posts that there are different 'levels' of Zen Fire data, so it could mean a pretty big difference between brokers who implement Zen.

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I would concur, it depends on the broker (more than likely), ZenFire vs. Rithmic is not the only one.. you can also look at TT .. ... depending on the broker setup on their DC you will get better response/performance, etc... the ticker plant owner will send you whatever data you subscribe your customers to... which might be good or not as good.. all depending... that is also why I am just willing to pay $1200/yr for DTNIQ and keep an account with Tradestation just for historical data... best to not have to worry about how clean my historical data is, etc...

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Just a heads up to the traders in this thread.....Vision Financial Markets is one of the few FCM's offering Kospi 200 so far in the US. I sure wished more FCM's would start to carry this instrument and the Hang Seng (with decent margins)!

I am assuming that Optimus then also allows trading of this instrument, since they clear through Vision and use their feed. I just signed up for a trial data feed connection to Optimus and would like to see if I can get the Kospi displayed, but I don't know the right symbol in NinjaTrader to use for this. Can someone help me out with that?

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I will ask tomorrow what platform it is on.
Not sure it is on NinjaTrader.

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