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Alright, someone set me straight - I beg of you.

After reading this thread and many other related threads (data feeds), I am confused. Is TT capable of being used for charting and chart trading through DDT on NT? I don't use Delta, volume studies (other than the simple), etc. I really like Howard, but I am concerned with the quality of the TT feed from DDT and others. The most confusing part concerning my question is that it seems that many (not all) use the TT for execution only and use some other data feed for charting. I attempt to simplify the techy part - one feed to chart and execute.

Please someone let me know your experience with the TT feed from DDT, especially if you trade from the charts on NT or SC for that matter. I want to make the right decision - I hate moving from one broker to another, so I want to take full advantage of their offerings and create a longterm relationship - their commissions are worth it.

Thanks for setting me straight! Let the comments flow.

I use SC + DDT/TT. I don't see any problems. I only use price chart, no volumes. The advantage to use DDT is you can switch to other execution platform such as Rithmic very easily in case you don't like TT.

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omaha786,

Can you pull up Time of sales? When I request a demo account, the ToS is off by like 8 seconds. My time bar from ninja didn't start plotting under 8 seconds into the bar.

I don't know if this is the case for live.

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omaha786,

Can you pull up Time of sales? When I request a demo account, the ToS is off by like 8 seconds. My time bar from ninja didn't start plotting under 8 seconds into the bar.

I don't know if this is the case for live.

That's interesting. I never looked at ToS. I will try to compare DTT/TT with OEC. Let you know later.

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omaha786,

Can you pull up Time of sales? When I request a demo account, the ToS is off by like 8 seconds. My time bar from ninja didn't start plotting under 8 seconds into the bar.

I don't know if this is the case for live.

I just did a comparison. The left side is DDT/TT, the right side is OEC. The timestamp is off by 9 seconds, but trades are the same. They popup at the same time on the screen. No delays for DDT/TT. So it looks like a timestamp issue. Hmm?

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Yes. Timestamp issue. According to NT, TT's timestamp is off the broker's server, that's why it is off.

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I'm very glad I joined this forum. You all are most kind to help and offer you input. I'm trying to make a well-informed decision, actually decisions, and this info has been invaluable. We all know about the time commitment involved here. I wish to pay it upfront as much as possible so once I decide upon a course of action, there will be less likelihood of regret down-the-road...

Maybe me wanting to have a platform do it "all" is not realistic. Maybe we wanting a broker to do the same is similarly not a stance for which I should be adamant. But, for me, they seem to exist in that MC does options, as well as stock, futures and FOREX. How well options is handled by MC, I have no idea. I would like to see how it compares to ToS, but even if it's adequate, I'd probably be satisfied. From the broker side, MBT is not quite as cheap as DDT, but at $1.81 rt (total price) for futures, it compares pretty darn good against DDT at $1.66. MBT does stock, options and FOREX too though; and is supports MC. I don't envision myself trading stocks, options and futures the same day. Maybe not even the same week. Heck, I might just trade futures on certain days that merit a strat or approach I could have. Hard to say until I learn more about futures... I will most likely only trade stocks and options when alerts are triggered. Would be nice to have the flexibility to do this all from within the same platform, as opposed to having two or more apps open and keeping my knowledge on each sharp. I would ideally like to immerse myself into one, its language and all of its facets. Maybe I'm wrong to think this way, or to think MC is that solution. Since I envision options being a continued emphasis for me going-forward, even if I truly can do well trading futures (my few paper trades with ES were not exactly positive), I need to get the low down on what MC offers options traders...

This is an SC thread though. I wish not to exclude it just yet. Compared to MC, where or how is it better? If I read correctly, maybe faster. I can deal with the lack aesthics and a clunky feel. No big deal. What can it do that MC cannot, or not as well?

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for option go with thinkorswim

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From the broker side, MBT is not quite as cheap as DDT, but at $1.81 rt (total price) for futures, it compares pretty darn good against DDT at $1.66.


DDT: $1 + exchange fee rt
MBT: $1.90 + exchange fee rt

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DDT: $1 + exchange fee rt
MBT: $1.90 + exchange fee rt

Looks like DDT is $1.14, + exchange, per side, not $1 rt.

Maybe I'm reading this wrong, but with DDT, ES, each was is a total of $1.66:

DeepDiscountTrading.com - .50 Cents Per Side + Fees

For MBT, a total of $2.11:

https://www.mbtrading.com/commissions.aspx?page=Futures#

So, rt total for each:

DDT = 3.22

MBT = 4.22

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for option go with thinkorswim

Cory, ToS does seem to do options quite well. Do you happen to have experience with options in SC or MC, for comparison?

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