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Sorry Midas


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How do you just enter the symbol only ES, 6E, etc.
When I add an instrument from the Instrument manager they always have a month and year attached (6E 06-10). How do you get it to be only 6E?

Major brain fart, deleted that post. It was inaccurate and confusing.

Fat Tails has the answer. I forgot about NT7 being able to do continuous contracts as long as your data feed also supports them. It appears the free EOD does not support individual contracts.

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Checked this, the daily data for 6E goes back to January 1999. Data looks okay after 2004, volume is missing for the period prior to May 2001 and between December 2003 and March 2004 (see chart).


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The ### symbol must be loaded into instrument manager. I run bare bones, so I did this today.

It only went back a year and the trick is to load Zen-Fire 1st then Kinetick.


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Fat Tails,

I can not reproduce your results. I get a year. If I disconnect Zenfire I get nothing.

Thinking am not even seeing the Kinetick data for 6e.

However, I can load a stock. Here is from 1/8/2003 to yesterday of BA.

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Have you tried to connect to Kinetick and download the data via the Historical Data Manager?


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Fat Tails,

I can not reproduce your results. I get a year. If I disconnect Zenfire I get nothing.

Thinking am not even seeing the Kinetick data for 6e.

However, I can load a stock. Here is from 1/8/2003 to yesterday of BA.


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Something is not right.

Also failed for YM no matter what I tried.

Stocks are super easy and YM & 6e do not work, wonder why?

Here is all the data I could get for BAC, monthly BTW. Took seconds.

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I downloaded yesterday. When I tried to download data just now, it did not work either, so let us assume that the data feed is not working now.


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Something is not right.

Also failed for YM no matter what I tried.

Stocks are super easy and YM & 6e do not work, wonder why?

Here is all the data I could get for BAC, monthly BTW. Took seconds.


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The issue you guys are having with "unknown" instrument is expected based on default NT settings. Here is the big picture with NT7.

- By default, there is a "MergeBackAdjusted" setting that when loading futures contracts with lookback periods that extend into expired contracts, NT will transparently load this data, back adjust and merge giving you the net result of a continuous contract
- With Kinetick (pulling data for IQFeed servers) they do not maintain historical data for expired contracts (at our request, they do plan on doing this going forward)
- So what happens is when you request historical data for contract month 06-10, and go back to an expired month, NT tries to pull data from the server but it does not exist so we get an unknown instrument error

How to get around?

- Only load data for the current month going back to the rollover date for the current month
- Use the real continuous contract (ES ##-## for example) which will pull the continuous contract historical data (bear in mind that this data is NOT back adjusted)

On one other note, since Kinetick uses Telvent DTN as a technology provider, the quality of the historical data will be identical, for those of you used to DTN/IQFeed.

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Yesterday I downloaded YM ##-## without any problems, today it did not work. This is not related to settings, because I did not change them.

Just checked my second machine, this is a virgin reinstall. There it worked. So will try to identify the problem.



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The issue you guys are having with "unknown" instrument is expected based on default NT settings. Here is the big picture with NT7.

- By default, there is a "MergeBackAdjusted" setting that when loading futures contracts with lookback periods that extend into expired contracts, NT will transparently load this data, back adjust and merge giving you the net result of a continuous contract
- With Kinetick (pulling data for IQFeed servers) they do not maintain historical data for expired contracts (at our request, they do plan on doing this going forward)
- So what happens is when you request historical data for contract month 06-10, and go back to an expired month, NT tries to pull data from the server but it does not exist so we get an unknown instrument error

How to get around?

- Only load data for the current month going back to the rollover date for the current month
- Use the real continuous contract (ES ##-## for example) which will pull the continuous contract historical data (bear in mind that this data is NOT back adjusted)

On one other note, since Kinetick uses Telvent DTN as a technology provider, the quality of the historical data will be identical, for those of you used to DTN/IQFeed.


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Checked again on my first machine. Also works. So I assume that there was a problem an hour ago....

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How to get around?

- Only load data for the current month going back to the rollover date for the current month
- Use the real continuous contract (ES ##-## for example) which will pull the continuous contract historical data (bear in mind that this data is NOT back adjusted)

I am not trying to be rude. But I hate what I call flying-hands demonstrations:

See attached: Fat Tails taught me something about merging I had never explored and still is not completely obvious to me, but as an experimentalist he put me on the trail and I will figure it out.

You know NT, Right? Give me step by step. Post screen shots, charts, parameter lists, code, etc. I do that for others on the forum all the time, please do it for me?

Or tell me if giving up until next week is the best course.

BTW: why pull 16 so fast? I am running it now. Sure it crashes in replay, but that is 7's history, nothing new.

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