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Kinetic and FX Futures Daily Bars

Good Afternoon:

I have a payed Kinetic subscription and I have noticed that the FX futures daily open and close are not correct when compared to the inter-day data. It appears to be on all FX futures, 6A, 6B, 6C, 6E, etc. when data is supplied from Kinetic. It's like they are using a RTH session to filter the open and close. I can switch to a 1440 minute chart which will give me an accurate candles on the chart. Using my IB account to reload the historical data shows a correct version of the chart data. If using fattails pivots, it requires that you switch to calculate via inter-day data otherwise my pivots and previous close are incorrect.

The templates and session times are correct.

Anyone else having this issue?

3 screen shots below, a Kinetic daily 6E, a 1440 minute Kinetic 6E, and a IB daily 6E. The daily chart uses the same template with only the data connection being changed. The Kinetic 1440 min and IB daily almost mirror each other.

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I quit using tick charts a while back and have gone back to minute charts, so the IB feed is all I need. Pretty much all my daytrading is done off a 1 mn chart with Cumulative delta and S/R levels and since the CD 1 mn candle is not affected by some of the IB grouping within that bar, I decided to drop all those paid services ( I rarely use the ladder except for COT and even that works fine with the IB data on a 1 mn candle). Furthermore, the volume histogram on the IB dom pretty much does the job as well. By the way, I need to give a special word of thanks to Gomi and the incredible work of many folks here at Big Mikes. What a treasure.
In my view, the motion within any given period of time and the mirror patterns within a day are more important than building a candle off ticks or an arbitrary volume or a range, so I have no need for any other service than what IB provides and I trade pretty much full time. All my longer term data I get from TOS and an account I keep at Ameritrade, and that combo is all I need (Kinetic also gives an end of day for free, which takes care of any longer term analysis as well) I know everyone is different, but after years of Qcharts, Esignal etc... and literally tens of thousands of dollars wasted, I am down to NT with the IB feed. How many full time traders have done this, I am curious to know.

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You will likely notice that the OHL prices are identical between your Daily and 1440 chart. The difference in the close price is that the Daily chart uses the CME provided settlement price. At some time after the market closes, the CME will send the settlement price and at that time, Kinetick will use that to mark the daily close in replace of the last traded price intraday. The 1440 chart is showing the close price as the last traded price for the day.

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Good Afternoon:

I have a payed Kinetic subscription and I have noticed that the FX futures daily open and close are not correct when compared to the inter-day data. It appears to be on all FX futures, 6A, 6B, 6C, 6E, etc. when data is supplied from Kinetic. It's like they are using a RTH session to filter the open and close. I can switch to a 1440 minute chart which will give me an accurate candles on the chart. Using my IB account to reload the historical data shows a correct version of the chart data. If using fattails pivots, it requires that you switch to calculate via inter-day data otherwise my pivots and previous close are incorrect.

The templates and session times are correct.



Anyone else having this issue?

3 screen shots below, a Kinetic daily 6E, a 1440 minute Kinetic 6E, and a IB daily 6E. The daily chart uses the same template with only the data connection being changed. The Kinetic 1440 min and IB daily almost mirror each other.

Kinetic Daily


Kinetic 1440 minute


and Interactive Brokers Daily

In fact, Interactive Brokers has low quality data, so they just put the close from the intraday data on their daily charts.

As Ray from NinjaTrader pointed out, Kinetick uses the settlement price for the daily bar close. This is quite important as the settlement price is needed for a number of daily indicators, and you cannot get it elsewhere. The settlement price is also used to determine your margin requirements.

The use of the settlement price is actually a feature of a quality data feed. It is not a bug!

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I have used the IB feed the past year and the pit session closes are spot on, never an issue with it, especially as it relates to any gaps. RTH hourly confirms this. I agree that it takes a while to adjust to the settlement price, but that's never been an issue for me.

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Canadian stocks on Kinetick end-of-day

I would appreciate if someone could tell me how I add Canadian instrument lists., the TSE, to Kinetick.

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I would appreciate if someone could tell me how I add Canadian instrument lists., the TSE, to Kinetick.

To add a stock from TSX (former TSE) you first need to look up the Kinetick symbol. You can use the symbol guide of DTN/IQ or simply take the stock exchange symbol and add a C. For example Sun Life Financial has the symbol SLF. You would then expect the Kinetick symbol to be "C.SLF".

Now open the instrument manager of NinjaTrader. Then select "New" and a popup with the instrument editor will appear. Enter "C.SLF" for the Stock of Sunlife Financial. Select currency and appopriate session template. Select both "Default" and "TSX" for the Toronto Stock Exchange (TSE is Tokyo Stock Exchange).

Then go to Instrument Editor -> Miscellaneous and enter C.SLF as the Kinetick symbol for the new instrument.

Save and close the instrument manager. Chart attached.


It is also possible to import an entire instrument list from a file, see description here

http://www.ninjatrader-support.com/HelpGuideV6/helpguide.html?ImportingAListOfStockSymbols

However, you will only be able to import the master instruments, but then have to add the Kinetick symbols for each stock manually.

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Thanks for the help. I will get busy entering various TSX stocks in the manner that you have suggested.

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Does anybody know the difference between the two subscription options on Kinetick for Forex datas ?
  • Basic - Real time foreign currency quotes and historical data from FXCM @ $25
  • Institutional Premium - Institutional level forex data from 2 top providers including TenFore and FXCM @ $50

Also, the Forex datas seem to come from FXCM for DTN.IQ/Kinetick, would i get the same datas using one of the free FXCM platforms?

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Does anybody know the difference between the two subscription options on Kinetick for Forex datas ?
  • Basic - Real time foreign currency quotes and historical data from FXCM @ $25
  • Institutional Premium - Institutional level forex data from 2 top providers including TenFore and FXCM @ $50

Also, the Forex datas seem to come from FXCM for DTN.IQ/Kinetick, would i get the same datas using one of the free FXCM platforms?

With the premium feed you will actually get several FOREX feeds. You can select your preferred feed via the symbol map under instrument settings.

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