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Kinetick - A new Market Data Feed Service for NinjaTrader

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I've seen it mentioned several places, including on this forum that Kinetick daily Closing prices are Settlement prices. However here is a response I just received from Kinetick Customer Support regarding this:

"Thank you for your note.

The EOD data is closing price. The EOD is the max high, max low, the open price, and the closing price at 4:15PM EST.

This is not necessarily the exchange settlement price.

Please let me know if you need further clarification.

Sincerely,
Matthew Hendricks"

What is the user experience out there, are they reporting settlement prices or not?

Thanks.

Misunderstanding. The EOD price is the last trade of the session however, at some time later in the day, the exchange will send out the final settlement price at which time the Kinetick feed will update its daily close to reflect the settlement price.

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Misunderstanding. The EOD price is the last trade of the session however, at some time later in the day, the exchange will send out the final settlement price at which time the Kinetick feed will update its daily close to reflect the settlement price.


I use the Kinetick prices every day for calculating my floor pivots. I appreciate very much that all the prices are settlement prices. I have frequently checked them against exchange data for CME, NYMEX, IPE and EUREX futures, and usually there are no problems. For further information on settlement prices for CME please have a look here

Settlements

or see document attached.


The Last Day of The Month Trap for Index Futures

For index futures there is an exception for the last trading day of a month, when the settlement price is not taken directly from the index futures between 3:14:30 and 3:15:00 PM Central Time. Instead there is a fair value procedure and the settlement price for index futures is calculated from the cash index (the underlying) at 3:00 PM Central Time by adding finance charges and expected dividends until expiry.

So don't be astonished, if for ES, YM, NQ and EMD, there is a larger difference between closing and settlement price as usual. I am writing this, because today is April 1, and you will notice this for yesterday's settlement prices.


Kinetick has no daily data for YM today - or NinjaTrader cannot handle it ?

Kinetick still has problems handling this month end data. Today there was no daily data available for YM. The reason is quite funny. The cash index dropped during the last hour and made a low at the monthly close. The futures only partly followed this move and went up again after 3:00 PM. The result:

Yesterday's settlement price - established on the fair value procedure which means calculated from the cash index - is lower than yesterday's low.

Now this kills the logic of NinjaTrader. A close cannot be lower than the low of the day, or could it be? So there is no data.

In this case the only thing to do: Edit the data base and decide, whether you want to replace the settlement price with the low, or the low with the settlement price. Now enter the values manually as shown below. I opted to use the lower settlement price.

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Interested in range or volume bars......


for stocks. Since the NinjaTrader vendor posts on this tread. DOES Kinetick provide the type of data for range or volume bars for stocks????

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for stocks. Since the NinjaTrader vendor posts on this tread. DOES Kinetick provide the type of data for range or volume bars for stocks????

Range and volume bars are built from tick data. I believe that Kinetick supplies both real-time and historical tick data for stocks.

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I'm using Kinetick for CL, ES and US stocks.

So far, it's been fine for me - there was a server problem a week or so back but it got sorted.

The biggest advantage, if you have an issue and it turns out to be a problem with Ninja, Kinetick are actually better at resolving Ninja issues that Ninja are.

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I need to point out an issue regarding fast markets: I switch my feed to IB when markets get heavy (big news events, mini-crashes, etc..), mainly because I believe it is more reliable than 3rd party brokers in such times (and I always enter a trade directly through my TWS in those conditions as well). The only caveat is that you must also switch to time based charts ( seconds, minutes etc..).
Furthermore, a common misconception is that the IB feed will not work as well on time based charts. If you are using tick charts, yes, IB is not the way to go as it does not provide true tick data. But if you trade anywhere from 1 mn to 10 mn, it is perfectly okay since the data is consolidated every few milliseconds. Not noticeable on a 1 minute chart, and not noticeable even with cumulative delta on a 1minute bar if looking for divergences.

Some of this is empirical, so I would like to see someone else give us a video of an IB DOM reads vs an NT DOM with DTN/Kinetick during a heavy volume news event.


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I need to point out an issue regarding fast markets: I switch my feed to IB when markets get heavy (big news events, mini-crashes, etc..), mainly because I believe it is more reliable than 3rd party brokers in such times (and I always enter a trade directly through my TWS in those conditions as well). The only caveat is that you must also switch to time based charts ( seconds, minutes etc..).
Furthermore, a common misconception is that the IB feed will not work as well on time based charts. If you are using tick charts, yes, IB is not the way to go as it does not provide true tick data. But if you trade anywhere from 1 mn to 10 mn, it is perfectly okay since the data is consolidated every few milliseconds. Not noticeable on a 1 minute chart, and not noticeable even with cumulative delta on a 1minute bar if looking for divergences.

Some of this is empirical, so I would like to see someone else give us a video of an IB DOM reads vs an NT DOM with DTN/Kinetick during a heavy volume news event.


I have been researching on the data feed recently and I saw this video..if it might help you

Interactivebrokers vs Rithmic Data feed using www.optimusfutures.com broker - YouTube

On another thread, I noticed lots of support for IQ feed. I would like to know your take on IQ feed too.

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it alldepends where you are.
I am sitting in europe and i had always problems with DTN feed, could be also MY ISP but esignal worked better for me.

I am using IB also as datafeed and i am using only Constant Volume bars. since IB trasmitts the Volume i have quite accurate charts. But the important point: IB has realy no problem when it comes to heavy market moves, feed is running ok. (because of aggregation )

i dont scalp, that is an important point also.

i tested on Ninja the CQG feed and Rithmic, both worked really good. (tested them only for a week)

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it alldepends where you are.
I am sitting in europe and i had always problems with DTN feed, could be also MY ISP but esignal worked better for me.

I am using IB also as datafeed and i am using only Constant Volume bars. since IB trasmitts the Volume i have quite accurate charts. But the important point: IB has realy no problem when it comes to heavy market moves, feed is running ok. (because of aggregation )

i dont scalp, that is an important point also.

i tested on Ninja the CQG feed and Rithmic, both worked really good. (tested them only for a week)

If you use constant volume charts based on IB volume, good luck. IB real-time volume is false all the time, as it is only a bad approximation of real volume. If you replace real-time volume with historical volume, you will notice a huge difference.

It is true that the IB feed is aggregated (condensed ticks). Under heavy market conditions this is an advantage, as NinjaTrader is less likely to freeze on badly coded indicators.

I have personally tested Kinetick feed over several months, and the quality was excellent. As you notice, I am also located in Europe.

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If you use constant volume charts based on IB volume, good luck. IB real-time volume is false all the time, as it is only a bad approximation of real volume. If you replace real-time volume with historical volume, you will notice a huge difference.

It is true that the IB feed is aggregated (condensed ticks). Under heavy market conditions this is an advantage, as NinjaTrader is less likely to freeze on badly coded indicators.

I have personally tested Kinetick feed over several months, and the quality was excellent. As you notice, I am also located in Europe.

Volume from IB is not 100% accurate, but on 2M Volume you will miss maby about 20k f it is a bad day. i tested SIDE by SIDE IB-esignal-Zen-CQG as data with a 5k Constant Volume chart on ES, and they are pretty much the same. but you are right, IB is not perfect :-)

dont know Kinetick.

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