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Do a ping to api.cqg.com
Cqg automatically geolocates and directs you to the nearest server. You can then find out the location from the ip address.

If you don't prefer that server, you can ask your clearing firm for the server's ip and manually override api.cqg.com in your windows' hosts file.

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Thanks for the reply but the question isn't about where 'risk' goes but rather how AMP/CQG connects the end user to the exchange. I avoid the term routing (even though its correct) because the broking community uses it for a different purpose.

Does a non-US user get connected to a US CQG server or does she get connected to the one that will give the fastest connection to the traded exchange? I assume that an Australian customer, primarily trading Asia, will be connected (internet term routed) to either Sydney or the HK server directly. Accounting issues (who is the customer's broker etc) should be an overlay on the more important real time question of how are data & orders transmitted between user & exchange.

AUS <--> HK is 150 ms

AUS <--> US <--> HK is probably 350-400 ms

Whereas IB provides a direct connection to the HK collocated server.


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Do a ping to api.cqg.com
Cqg automatically geolocates and directs you to the nearest server. You can then find out the location from the ip address.

If you don't prefer that server, you can ask your clearing firm for the server's ip and manually override api.cqg.com in your windows' hosts file.

Hope this helps.


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wind View Post
Do a ping to api.cqg.com
Cqg automatically geolocates and directs you to the nearest server. You can then find out the location from the ip address.

If you don't prefer that server, you can ask your clearing firm for the server's ip and manually override api.cqg.com in your windows' hosts file.

Hope this helps.

forgive me for my technical incompetence but how exactly do you "ping" to api.cqg.com in Sierrachart? thanks.

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Thanks for the reply but the question isn't about where 'risk' goes but rather how AMP/CQG connects the end user to the exchange. I avoid the term routing (even though its correct) because the broking community uses it for a different purpose.

Does a non-US user get connected to a US CQG server or does she get connected to the one that will give the fastest connection to the traded exchange? I assume that an Australian customer, primarily trading Asia, will be connected (internet term routed) to either Sydney or the HK server directly. Accounting issues (who is the customer's broker etc) should be an overlay on the more important real time question of how are data & orders transmitted between user & exchange.

AUS <--> HK is 150 ms

AUS <--> US <--> HK is probably 350-400 ms

Whereas IB provides a direct connection to the HK collocated server.

AFAIK CQG has servers in Sydney (203.192.64.1xx for data, 203.192.64.137 for trading) and Singapore.
But depending on your broker the trading server may not be the closest one.
You can easily find this out in checking to which servers is connected your trading software (using the Windows Resource Monitor if you're using a Windows machine).

To ping something open a PowerShell window and type the ping <address> command:
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Open a terminal (cmd in windows) and enter the command:
 
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ping api.cqg.com
You can also ping from remote cities to an address using a tool like https://www.locaping.com/




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forgive me for my technical incompetence but how exactly do you "ping" to api.cqg.com in Sierrachart? thanks.


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so i did a ping and it seems cqg automatically directs me to the singapore server (i live in china).

my question then is, is there any benefit to this?

let's say i place an order through the SC platform for one HSI contract, what's actually going on beneath the scene?

i assume it goes something like
1. china -> singapore cqg data center (check margin)
2. singapore cqg data center -> chicago (whatever clearing firm AMP uses, they use several diff clearing firms incl GH financials)
3. chicago -> hkex exchange (order placed)
4. hkex -> chicago (clearing firm)
5. chicago (clearing firm) -> singapore cqg data center (confirmation of order submission)
6. singapore cqg data center -> china (order confirmation pop-up)

if this is true, there's really no benefit is there?

hopefully someone knowledgeable can finally shed some light on what's actually happening when placing an order. where do you even begin to learn stuff like this lol

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if this is true, there's really no benefit is there?

hopefully someone knowledgeable can finally shed some light on what's actually happening when placing an order. where do you even begin to learn stuff like this lol

The benefit to what? finding a server where it all happens together?
Are you feeling the latency in execution or Slippage? I think that you got the process pretty much right where Chicago makes the risk management checks. But, again do you feel you experiencing severe slippage or lack or limit orders not being executed? I find that the millisecond difference does not always affect traders in any material way.

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...I find that the millisecond difference does not always affect traders in any material way...

Not always but in @canoekoh case it's more seconds than milliseconds...

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The benefit to what? finding a server where it all happens together?
Are you feeling the latency in execution or Slippage? I think that you got the process pretty much right where Chicago makes the risk management checks. But, again do you feel you experiencing severe slippage or lack or limit orders not being executed? I find that the millisecond difference does not always affect traders in any material way.

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i meant what's the benefit of being automatically assigned to the CQG singapore data center (calculated based on my location) if it has to bounce back and forth across the pacific ocean for clearing anyway? (since we're talking about a US broker here)

and actually, the latency was visibly noticeable although as a discretionary trader, it's not the biggest deal ever. still, it's worth pursuing w/e improvements possible.

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Not always but in @canoekoh case it's more seconds than milliseconds...

I am not sure how he is configured to have such latency. I could call CQG to help him out if he reaches out to me.

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