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The zenfire problem...

FWIW - yesterday - out of pure boredom - I started 'sniffing' my network connection using wireshark, to figure out what server I got my zenfire data feed from. So, I got an IP (199.30.196.16) which translates to tc.20c.com. A real page, where you can enter a user-name and a password as the only thing you can do. I didn't give it much attention at the time, but during the night, I lay sleepless over this zenfire thing, and came to wonder about that page. Could I log in using my trading account credentials?
To my big surprise that worked! And to my even bigger surprise, I found a completely functional trading system, with access to my trading account at Dormans, charts, DOM... everything.

Now - the big question is; when NT looses connection to zenfire, does that also apply to that page? Because apparently, I get my data from that IP. I havent lost connection today YET - but I'm sure that I will. This could act as the backup that I have missed for so long. If I'm right that is...

[EDIT]
Just got the answer to my own question. Lost connection (the first today) to zenfire at 11:46 EST, but the above mentioned page is still updating, with no connection loss as far as I can tell. And I still seems to have live access to my trading account at Dorman Trading. Also - 150 pings to the IP with no package loss, gives me a latency of 140 ms, so the IP is still responding.
[/EDIT]

Anyone of you know what I'm logged on to? Because google don't give you much information. And I have no idea what it is...

[EDIT]
Now I know that it's a Mirus Trader page, thanks to perryg, but I still don't know why I can connect. As far as I can tell, Dorman Trading don't link to this particular page anywhere from their web site.
But - hey - something still works...;-)
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Last edited by calojn; January 3rd, 2014 at 01:06 PM. Reason: Lost connection for the first time today
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FWIW - yesterday - out of pure boredom - I started 'sniffing' my network connection using wireshark, to figure out what server I got my zenfire data feed from. So, I got an IP (199.30.196.16) which translates to tc.20c.com. A real page, where you can enter a user-name and a password as the only thing you can do. I didn't give it much attention at the time, but during the night, I lay sleepless over this zenfire thing, and came to wonder about that page. Could I log in using my trading account credentials?
To my big surprise that worked! And to my even bigger surprise, I found a completely functional trading system, with access to my trading account at Dormans, charts, DOM... everything.

Now - the big question is; when NT looses connection to zenfire, does that also apply to that page? Because apparently, I get my data from that IP. I havent lost connection today YET - but I'm sure that I will. This could act as the backup that I have missed for so long. If I'm right that is...

Anyone of you know what I'm logged on to? Because google don't give you much information. And I have no idea what it is...

That IP address is Mirus Trader. If you go to https://trader.mirusfutures.com/login/ and login you will get the very same info.

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Mirus...?



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That IP address is Mirus Trader. If you go to https://trader.mirusfutures.com/login/ and login you will get the very same info.

Wow. I can log on to that one too. I'm using Dorman Trading. Have never been with Mirus. That must be some kind of independent 'more zenfire related' page, that everyone using zenfire can access, regardless of broker.
What do you know - I'm getting wiser every day...

Thanks for letting me know perryg.

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Mirus / ZF / MirusTrader

I just talked to the Mirus Trade Desk. I was told " ... the platform is down. Stay away! Don't trade. We will fix the problems until Sunday night."

Here's why I called for support:
When the ZF connection went down yesterday I switched over to Mirus (Web-) Trader.
Since everything looked good I placed an order for 2 6E contracts on the long side. When MirusTrader showed a decent win I exited the position. Before logging off from WebTrader I double checked that no positions were open and made a screen capture for my documentation.
When I started Ninja with ZF this morning, I did not see any open positions as well. However, after reviewing my Dorman account statement I figured out, that there's something wrong since overnight margins were listed. Hence, I called the Mirus Trade Desk and I was told that I am 2 contracts short on the 6E. Unfortunately nobody could tell whether this position has generated a profit or loss (I still don't know yet). Since I had no control over this trade I asked the help desk to close the position. The same second this was done, I saw an open position with 2 6E contracts on the long side. Nevertheless I was told by the help desk that I am flat and I should not care about this. During the course of the day this "phantom position" changed from long to short. At this time I called the Mirus Trade Desk a second time and was reassured that I am flat.
Long story short, the above mentioned buy order submitted through Mirus(Web-)Trader did not make it to the exchange. But the close (sell) did.
So, be warned. At present MirusTrader may fail in a very obscure way. It shows and lets you manage trades that are simply not there.

Reinhard

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I just talked to the Mirus Trade Desk. I was told " ... We will fix the problems until Sunday night."

Reinhard

That is not going to happen. Wishfull thinking!

Given the level of the problems you encountered, theres is no way their platform is going to execute orders faithfully and smoothly on Monday. I have still to hear anything back from NT about the ZenFire bug that executed a BuyOrder Limit Order as if it was a Market Sell Order; After identifying the bug as beeing ZenFire, they told me they would contact me when hearing bak from ZenFire. So that one is not solved yet either.

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I used zenfire for many years until a few years ago switched to Rithmic via Optimus because of disconnects I was getting during trading hours with zenfire. . Rithmic has been an excellent feed and rarely had any issues. Should be considered by anyone marooned by the zenfire situation.

I remember reading here on an older broker thread that Rithmic is the underlying feed that Zenfire repackages. Or something like that.
Reminds me of Market Delta Charts, where IRT is the actual underlying platform/software/tech, minus the footprint features.

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for a few minutes the data was running about 45 seconds behind QCG data feed after the Crude inventories number.

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I remember reading here on an older broker thread that Rithmic is the underlying feed that Zenfire repackages. Or something like that.
Reminds me of Market Delta Charts, where IRT is the actual underlying platform/software/tech, minus the footprint features.


That is exactly the problem. Zen went their own way without Rithmic. That's when the supernova occurred


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If I were wagering, I would bet that Zenfire is no more and what we are actually connecting to is a renamed BigTick system.
Anyway, I have an account with Mirus (using Zenfire) and an account with Optimus using Vision.

When the changes were announced, I started using Vision exclusively for live trading. My server that connects to Zenfire is disconnecting on a regular basis and I dare not trade on that until it is fixed.

I did run in to an issue (that cost me several thousand) with the Vision connection from NinjaTrader that I was not having when connecting to Zenfire. I have always had a chart running a strategy in SIM and a second chart running a strategy live. What was happening is that stop loss orders that where generated in the SIM chart were actually getting executed live if the stop was hit. The only way I noticed this was that I would have positions that were not generated from the strategy that was running live. The log indicated the position originated from "external". This never happened when I was connecting through Zenfire.
Has anyone else seen this?

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in this case we can see not an issue with the hardware or the software on the server side

it's all about the way the project (BigTick) has been released

the project was planned since 2009 and was tested during 2013

so there is a vacuum between the project management and the development team

imho

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