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PFGBest Accounts Frozen (PFG scandal big thread)

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How did it go? I don't watch TV.

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I watched it. He did a nice job.

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If there is a video, I'd like to check it out.

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I have it recorded on my AT&T Uverse DVR. Dont know if there is a way to post the file. Anyone?

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I also heard that today Woodie was introducing a new "Woodie" bar called NADAX bars. ?? Wonder what that's all about. Maybe hybrid or JAM renkos. I haven't seen them.

he named his "new revolutionary bars" woodies nadex bars

Nadex, the North American Derivatives Exchange, he is pushing a while now.

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IB Customers' Sweep Acct

IB customers can setup a securities sweep acct that is protected by SIPC. It appears that the default setting is not to sweep. Go to Account on your TWS . . then Manage Account, Settings, Configure Account, Excess Funds Sweep. The following is shown to select a sweep setting. This will be needed to be done on each of your accounts . . .

Your Interactive Brokers Universal Account is authorized to trade securities products, commodities/futures products and Foreign Exchange ("forex") transactions and therefore consists of two underlying accounts, a securities account governed by rules of the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC) and a futures account governed by rules of the U.S. Commodity Futures Trading Commission (CFTC).

Whether you have assets in an IB securities account or in an IB futures account, your assets are protected by U.S. federal regulations governing how brokers like IB must protect your property and funds. In the IB securities account, your assets are protected by SEC and SIPC rules (Note: foreign currency is protected to the extent used to purchase securities). In the IB futures account, your assets are protected by CFTC rules requiring segregation of customer funds. You are also protected by IB's strong financial position and our conservative risk management philosophy. See IB's Strength & Security page.

As part of the IB Universal Account service, you have authorized IB to automatically transfer funds as necessary between your IB securities account and your IB futures account in order to satisfy margin requirements in either account.

Please note:

All IB customer deposits are initially received into the IB securities account and will remain in that account unless you choose commodities sweep below.
Selecting "securities" sweep below is strongly recommended for any customer identified as a securities pattern day trader.
Regardless of your choice, IB will generally keep a small buffer of excess margin funds in each account in order to prevent excessive transfers back and forth as your margined securities and futures positions fluctuate in value.


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I was under the impression all accounts are frozen so I didn't even ask. I would imagine if they allowed people to withdraw funds there would be a mass exodus. I just called again and spoke to Neal (broker). He confirmed that all accounts are frozen and now that it is going to court, it could be a long time before any of us see a resolution. We all know how long things take when the courts get involved.

Looks like there will be 200 or 300 more people going on unemployment!! None of them will be getting a paycheck as of yesterday.

Neal also told me that they were ordered to liquidate all positions because they were afraid if clients with open positions weren't watching it and they lost more money, then that would mean even fewer funds in the coffer.....so PFG didn't wait for anyone to liquidate their open positions.....they went ahead and liquidated the positions on behalf of their clients.



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Did they say anything about honoring withdraw requests? Did you try to place a wire out?

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PFGBest's Canadian Clients' Money Is Accounted For-Canadian Regulator



--PFGBest's Canadian clients have their money accounted for - Regulator

--Canadian clients can liquidate their positions and prepare for a bulk transfer to new firm

--RJ O'Brien's Canadian unit named as new firm by regulator

By Tatyana Shumsky

NEW YORK--PFGBest's Canadian clients have their funds accounted for and are approved to transfer their futures accounts in bulk to a new firm, Canadian regulator Investment Industry Regulatory Organization of Canada (IIROC) said Tuesday in a statement.

Peregrine Financial Group Canada, Inc., a unit of embattled futures and currency brokerage PFGBest, isn't subject to or affected by the regulatory actions of the National Futures Association, a U.S. futures industry self-regulatory body, IIROC said.

"It appears that all clients monies and assets are accounted for at the Canadian subsidiary," IIROC said in a statement.

"Clients can liquidate their contract positions directly through Peregrine Financial Group Canada," it added.

The Canadian regulator has named RJ O'Brien & Associates Canada Inc, a unit of RJ O'Brien, as the recipient of the bulk transfers from PFGBest's Canadian unit.

Write to Tatyana Shumsky at tatyana.shumsky@dowjones.com

PFGBest's Canadian Clients' Money Is Accounted For-Canadian Regulator

So Canadian traders have gone through the MF Global and PFG messes without losing a penny. Shame on the US.

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How did it go? I don't watch TV.

Mike

I watched it, I think Kevin did a very nice job, kudos to Kevin. Also wanted to say that I feel for those who had accounts with PFG. Very disheartening and I hope for the best.

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I think it might be time to create a thread to help the small retail trader on how to do this type of research, what to ask etc. In any case, i thank you for reminding us some obvious considerations. BTW, i wonder what Mattz from optimus think about all this fiasco.


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...The futures industry is still in the wild west of the financial world. Some important things to remember here are:

- First and foremost, only keep enough money to conduct your day-to-day trading while having enough capital to assume the risk you're taking on.
- Be proactive about taking your profits out of your trading account on a normal basis. This isn't a savings account, you make no interest on idle cash. Once you have "enough" saved from your trades to cover whatever plus taxes, look to increase the account as you plan to increase size.
- Stay on top of your broker(s). Know where they hold their seg funds, what is their overall business structure, how do they rank among other brokers? Just because your broker appeared on this ratings list, what was the reason for their ranking?
- Do not put all your eggs in one basket. Have relationships with several brokers. If one of them were to be involved with a fiasco like this, have a plan B, C, etc. Again, these accounts should only be funded enough to allow you to conduct your daily business.

I think many are panicking that their brokers are going to be next. Just do your best to be informed of what's going on and follow what I've said here. Also, do not put all your eggs in one basket. Have relationships with several brokers.


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I was under the impression all accounts are frozen so I didn't even ask. I would imagine if they allowed people to withdraw funds there would be a mass exodus. I just called again and spoke to Neal (broker). He confirmed that all accounts are frozen and now that it is going to court, it could be a long time before any of us see a resolution. We all know how long things take when the courts get involved.

Looks like there will be 200 or 300 more people going on unemployment!! None of them will be getting a paycheck as of yesterday.

Neal also told me that they were ordered to liquidate all positions because they were afraid if clients with open positions weren't watching it and they lost more money, then that would mean even fewer funds in the coffer.....so PFG didn't wait for anyone to liquidate their open positions.....they went ahead and liquidated the positions on behalf of their clients.


If what we are hearing is true someone in PFG pilfered segregated funds. Most likely the reason all accounts were frozen by the regulators was to keep any money left from going out into a Swiss bank account. They freeze everything until they can figure out what is going on. IMO it is not about keeping a mass exodus from happening because according to what is being report there is only $5 mil of $200 mil plus left in segregated accounts. Meaning there is no money for customers to withdraw allegedly.

Hopefully the money has not been washed out in losses but was moved and can be traced and recovered. Really feel for all involved. I had a PFG account at one time but left because their feed was so horrendous. Could have just as easily been me.

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I have it recorded on my AT&T Uverse DVR. Dont know if there is a way to post the file. Anyone?


Thanks for the kind words. First time doing that sort of thing, so I was just a bit nervous!

I will post a link when I get if from FBN.

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