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It seems like nobody has any issues at all with CQG..

Just search the forums, nothing is perfect.

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If you are "eye balling" IQFeed to determine what you are calling "slippage", that will not work. IQFeed will always be slower than Rithmic or CQG because of the nature of the service and what information they deliver. You cannot use it to determine slippage.

You need to list some specifics. Exactly what instrument, exactly what time was the execution hh:mm:ss (and time zone), what was your limit price, and what was your fill price?

If there are no prints for your fill price near your entry, then your broker should be able to very clearly identify what happened and offer corrective action.

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The exact time to the second was recorded on my Sierra Trade Activity and I compared on my IQ Feed minute chart when I first discovered it. I have my broker investigate this and also IQ Feed tech support confirmed they see no execution price at my time unless it was 4 minutes prior or about 15 minutes after..

My broker is still investigating and there might be an explanation since Rithmic is unfiltered BUT, then IQ Feed is way off..

Just wondering if anyone else experienced anything similar with either Rithmic or CQG.. Like you said, nothing is perfect BUT I want to get as close as possible with OE platforms..ha

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The exact time to the second was recorded on my Sierra Trade Activity

Post all the info.

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Post all the info.

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My time of execution according to Sierra Trade Activity Log was 9:49:27, a short on 3 cars filled @ 90.24

That seems way off..

If it is slippage, its fine I suppose because CQG might have similar issues from time to time.. that's why I want to hear from other CQG users if they've ever experienced this type of this.. Thus far I have not found futures.io (formerly BMT) CQG users giving input with similar experiences so I'm seriously considering a switch to CQG OE.. but prior to doing so, I'd like to have some input if possible..

It seems like a switch to CQG might make sense.. I was hoping someone will tell me some bad experiences with CQG so I won't go into it with rose colored lenses.. I need to hear the good, the bad and the ugly..

How do I start a new thread asking for feedback with a comparison of CQG and Rithmic users and their experience?


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It was limit orders on my entries..

1) Limit orders have no slippage. Limit orders can only have positive slippage.
Stop Order have negative slippage.
Market Orders have negative slippage.

2) You are comparing a feed that is not executable (DTNIQ) to an executable feed(Rithmic).

Rithmic has no slippage in your cases, it just different from you thought you should be your fill versus real market conditions.

I hope I am not missing anything in your descriptions in the event I misunderstood something.

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2012-10-11_1427 - bigwaverider88's library

My time of execution according to Sierra Trade Activity Log was 9:49:27, a short on 3 cars filled @ 90.24

That seems way off..

If it is slippage, its fine I suppose because CQG might have similar issues from time to time.. that's why I want to hear from other CQG users if they've ever experienced this type of this.. Thus far I have not found futures.io (formerly BMT) CQG users giving input with similar experiences so I'm seriously considering a switch to CQG OE.. but prior to doing so, I'd like to have some input if possible..

It seems like a switch to CQG might make sense.. I was hoping someone will tell me some bad experiences with CQG so I won't go into it with rose colored lenses.. I need to hear the good, the bad and the ugly.. ironically, TOS never seems to have these types of issues..

How do I start a new thread asking for feedback with a comparison of CQG and Rithmic users and their experience?

@Jedi

I will check tonight, but a picture of the chart I have at work for November Crude for Friday 5th suggests my feed from ZenFire (similar to Rithmic) via Mirus broker printed a low of about 90.26 at that point so 90.24 should not have been filled.

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You are also plotting a continuous contract and not an exact front month contract. When you are away from rollover this should be no problem, but you might want to bring up an exact front month contract to compare against the front month you executed on.

Your brokerage statement today at end of day confirms the fill price?

What does your broker say when you contacted them? If you are filled at a price that the market did not trade at, there should be a very clear response.

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You are also plotting a continuous contract and not an exact front month contract. When you are away from rollover this should be no problem, but you might want to bring up an exact front month contract to compare against the front month you executed on.

Your brokerage statement today at end of day confirms the fill price?

What does your broker say when you contacted them? If you are filled at a price that the market did not trade at, there should be a very clear response.

Mike

Y, its a recorded transaction. Vision is still researching this and they will check with the exchange executions to ensure.

IQ Feed continuous in the front month is supposed to be the same as front month of any other feed.. If that is the case, then IQ Feed is way off and I will need to find another charting service..

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1) Limit orders have no slippage. Limit orders can only have positive slippage.
Stop Order have negative slippage.
Market Orders have negative slippage.

2) You are comparing a feed that is not executable (DTNIQ) to an executable feed(Rithmic).

Rithmic has no slippage in your cases, it just different from you thought you should be your fill versus real market conditions.

I hope I am not missing anything in your descriptions in the event I misunderstood something.

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Y, that's exactly the point that limit orders should not have negative slippage.. I use IQ Feed because I want the most accurate data to trade from and IQ Feed is the most reputable that I know of.. This means either IQ Feed is way off or this is a bad execution and according to IQ Feed tech support, there are no recorded trades at my price with the time that is recorded. Not sure how common this is from CQG users..

My Rithmic chart shows exactly the same bars as IQ Feed so the charting information is the same, which makes this execution impossible..

http://screencast.com/t/VlnJTi3s


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IQ Feed continuous in the front month is supposed to be the same as front month of any other feed

They use a specific rollover schedule, which may or may not be what you are using manually when rolling the contract near rollover date. It would only be an issue near rollover.

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