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Just encrypt the strategy and then it will be as any bought strategy even one that costs 100K.

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Just encrypt the strategy and then it will be as any bought strategy even one that costs 100K.

Great point.

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Their is thousands of servers with trading bots in the World, and maybe 95% of them are losing money. Why tring to steal a losing bot ?

Sam,

That's a great point, and somehwhat amusing! I guess the servers that stay hired for a long time are the successful ones, maybe.

One thing I have observed is that many of the moves which go too fast are possibly not worth joining anyway, in other words, unless there is some basing in which your limit order gets filled then there is an increased risk of a deep retracement or reversal. Assuming that all entries and most exits are limit orders, then being close to the exchange isn't that important because you'll never compete with the high-speed orders.

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Update:


I have been running NT7 with couple of live charts on dedicated server for a few days. I mentioned in my original post that the configuration I went with was the Atom D510. I also mentioned my reservations about the Atom D510 having enough power to handle NT. Only thing that might give a performance bump is to upgrade system with a raptor or ssd drive as well as more ram. Although I am not sure that will cause trades to be executed faster.

I have been running performance monitor in windows 2008 and for the most part the processor is only taxing system around 5%. So to live trade via NT the Atom 510 seems to handle it with no problem. I have a much more powerful system to do my backtesting on so will not use the Atom in that regard.

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Sam,

That's a great point, and somehwhat amusing! I guess the servers that stay hired for a long time are the successful ones, maybe.

One thing I have observed is that many of the moves which go too fast are possibly not worth joining anyway, in other words, unless there is some basing in which your limit order gets filled then there is an increased risk of a deep retracement or reversal. Assuming that all entries and most exits are limit orders, then being close to the exchange isn't that important because you'll never compete with the high-speed orders.

Paul

Sam I think it depends on the instrument being traded. I know with crude my limit entries can be jumped. Usually when I get jumped it goes on to hit my target as opposed to coming back to my stop. So lower latency has the "potential" to help me on crude. But crude tends to run very directional very fast. On a slower market may not matter as much.

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Just encrypt the strategy and then it will be as any bought strategy even one that costs 100K.

Encryption certainly comes under the rubric of opaque. However, how does one use it while encrypted?

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Encryption certainly comes under the rubric of opaque. However, how does one use it while encrypted?


I believe ninjatrader has the ability to encrypt strategies. Designed so developers can encrypt and sell strategies without revealing source code. They use a third party service to do itCliSecure - Advanced .NET Code Protection and Obfuscation Technology. It is free for NT assemblies but I think to do anything else would have to purchase and its not cheap.

I may play around with it. Even though I am not to concerned about my strategy being stolen it is still worth a look.

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Coding a strategy in a program like Ninja opens major security concerns in itself.
Perhaps the reports of Ninja sending trade data home are already forgotten.

Using a proper programming language and connecting directly to an API would be the way to go (also if one cares about performance).

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Coding a strategy in a program like Ninja opens major security concerns in itself.
Perhaps the reports of Ninja sending trade data home are already forgotten.

Using a proper programming language and connecting directly to an API would be the way to go (also if one cares about performance).

That is something I have considered and may explore down the road. I like Ninja in some respects and not in others. I think building your own system from ground up would be the way to go if have time and resources to do it.

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Update: Latency

I have been running ping tests to 64.202.118.5 which from what I understand is a close as you can get to zenfire servers that allow a ping. I don't think this their actual order server.

I am getting sub 1ms ping which is fantastic. Windows only measures in 1ms increments so don't know how far below 1ms. It is so low I wonder if those servers are not in same building. That is what you call blazing fast.

Does anyone know IP to ping rithmic order servers or at least close as possible?

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