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I like to read your words and i am feeling good at this time.
But i donīt know how to become this stage of feeling like you do! And this will be my jouney!

Hopefully someday i can share your kind of trading!

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Axel,

Keep 'feeling good' and your journey will be a great success. Just reach for a feeling that is better. Meditate on Inner sweetness. Unconditional Love for your Inner Self, always guiding your path. Sweet!

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So the message is:

Find your personal frequency and your done?

Axel

Find your personal frequency of joy and bliss and then analyse and then trade.

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Shivaya

What a pleasure to find your thread.
My thanks to you.

I have had similar experiences both in terms of where you started from as a trader, pre-internet I updated a large piece of graph paper with a cross for the price that I got off a pager that updated every 2 mins. So 9 hours a day drawing a cross every 2 mins.

More interesting though was when I began to try to understand " the present moment".

Perhaps this touches upon your "sweet spot".
In short, we can understand the broad concept that the market is a reflection of choices.
and that mostly, human choices derive from an emotional reaction.

If we consider that the most prevalent emotions derive from fear and that fear is only a state of being
related to the "future", we can, perhaps, begin to see how an understanding of the true nature of the "present moment"
relieves (for the want of a better word) our "attachment" and indeed any involvement in fear.

The "present moment" is as it's name states, a "moment" that is a "present" , a gift.

The gift is, as I presently understand it (forgive the pun), as follows:

Living in a state of "the present moment" is an acknowledgment that we have everything we need "right now".
Each and every moment is, in itself, a reflection of that acknowledgment, such that if we feel "wanting" then we are lacking.

That lacking sends out the message that we are not happy.
What we get back is confirmation of our unhappiness, but it is given back to us in "this" present moment, as a gift,
to give us the opportunity to acknowledge that we have every thing we need.
In that acknowledgment, we are not lacking, which in of itself alters the "message" we then send out.

It sounds like a "loop", and it is I guess when we don't see the connectedness of how our "awareness" of "this present moment" is giving us what we reflect of ourselves.

That reflection is through our thought.

Lastly, I have often wondered, and laughed at myself when I catch myself realizing (for example),
if I see myself "thinking", then what part of "I" is doing the seeing as opposed to that part that is ding the "thinking"...

I hope I have not intruded on your thread.
Many thx

Shalom


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Shivaya

What a pleasure to find your thread.
My thanks to you.

if I see myself "thinking", then what part of "I" is doing the seeing as opposed to that part that is ding the "thinking"...

I hope I have not intruded on your thread.
Many thx

Shalom

well zt,

Great points. The present moment is 'free of fear'. Past remembering brings anxiety and future thinking brings fear. For me this is the greatest benefit of the trading journey. The emotional evolvement of being able to 'tune in' to my Sweet State and Be there is just the single most part I appreciate.

I am amazed at the way this state has taken over every aspect of my life. It seems I meet the nicest people, the smartest traders, the poets and the happy folk. Once I decided to clean up my emotional state and Be in the Inner Sweetness when trading, I just go for the trades that produce exactly what I expect. Winning trades and Nice profits.

This is the hidden side to the business, and we all thought it was about making money!

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well zt,

Great points. The present moment is 'free of fear'. Past remembering brings anxiety and future thinking brings fear. For me this is the greatest benefit of the trading journey. The emotional evolvement of being able to 'tune in' to my Sweet State and Be there is just the single most part I appreciate.

I am amazed at the way this state has taken over every aspect of my life. It seems I meet the nicest people, the smartest traders, the poets and the happy folk. Once I decided to clean up my emotional state and Be in the Inner Sweetness when trading, I just go for the trades that produce exactly what I expect. Winning trades and Nice profits.

This is the hidden side to the business, and we all thought it was about making money!

Shivaya

Yes I agree, it permeates every aspect of our lives.
Perhaps because our lives are merely a series of continuous moments,
and our task is to be ever present to and in them.
It is, as you say, to evolve, emotionally.

As to making money..
Such is the contradiction.
Imo if we find ourselves thinking about the money, then we are probably in trouble..

Hope you don't mind me adding a quote from the philosopher Hess:

"The eye of the will is impure,
and makes for distortion.
Only when we want nothing,
only when our gaze becomes pure contemplation,
does the soul of things..
the beauty open to us"

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My Blissful Pleasure Anagami.

Trading futures is as I am sure you well know all about the emotional journey. Best get into the sweet state before anything else. The emotion of other traders fear makes money for the traders in the state of sweetness who just harvest their profits out of this fear.

Shivaya

Isn't it funny that what we experience is only the quality of our own consciousness? We think experience is 'out there' (we project). It's actually 'in here'.

I'd go as far as to say that the market is really in you, not you in the market. Yes, price is objective...etc., BUT the way it is experienced is completely subjective... this can be an edge... or a perpetual stumbling block.

By taking responsibility for one's experience / perception, one regains power that was given over to the 'scary market'.

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Messing around with Motivators, sometimes I generate trading ones. Done in the spirit of Shivaya. Enjoy.

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Messing around with Motivators, sometimes I generate trading ones. Done in the spirit of Shivaya. Enjoy.


Very Cool...xxxxbearhugxxxx

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Imo if we find ourselves thinking about the money, then we are probably in trouble..

True.

Emotional Wellness (Sweet State)
Analysis Skills (Sweet State)
Money management (Sweet State)
Winning Trades (Sweet State)
Nice profits (Sweet State)

Cutting Losses ( Sweet State)
Let profits Run (Sweet State)

I like to watch people get in and out of their sweetness. Often they are not even aware of it. A sharp comment, followed by adverse reaction statement and their sweetness is gone. The other person is to blame. Never. That negative state is within and you simply applied it. Same with the market. Everything. Sweet State is support. All the rest is resistance.

I watch how kids manage to get emotional reactions from parents. Classic. As soon as the kid does something where the parent negatively reacts, they have lost and the kid wins again! Test yourself when next time you have to mind kids. After they mess your computer and bust the mouse, and stab the gel wrist mouse mat, download Ben10, all before they can ever read, see how your sweetness holds.

Knowing the Inner Power of Sweetness, I just fix everything and buy some 'new' stuff! LOL!!!

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Isn't it funny that what we experience is only the quality of our own consciousness? We think experience is 'out there' (we project). It's actually 'in here'.

Indeed.
I always say that everyone lives in their own reality from within themselves.

I always loved this picture because it says so much. It expresses things words cannot. Words are more of a hindrance than help in most cases.

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