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Popping Pills a Popular Way to Boost Brain Power

60 Minutes: Among Upper Classes, 50-60 Percent Using ADD/ADHD Drugs Ritalin, Adderall


Popping Pills a Popular Way to Boost Brain Power - 60 Minutes - CBS News

(CBS) If there were a drug that would make you smarter, would you take it? Today an increasing number of healthy people are using drugs without a prescription as a way to improve their mental function.

It's called neuroenhancement and if you want to find someone who's trying it out, just visit a college campus. That's where a surprising number of students are turning to drugs like Adderall and Ritalin, originally developed to treat attention disorders, to boost their brain power and help them make the grade.

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That's about the fastest you can follow when taking drugs.

I don't do drugs. I am drugs.

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I'd suggest not taking any psychostimulant, you need to feel calm during trading. (I wouldn't suggest it anyhow)

Inositol might make some people feel calm. It is a natural substance
in the food we eat everyday. About 500mg per day in food.
13,000 mg per day have been used in studies. It is very safe.
It just makes me somewhat drowsy.

Vitamin Research Products has been around 31 years. This
is the product:

Inositol - 650 mg, 90 Capsules - Vitamin Research Products

There are at least 2 other forms of inositol which are NOT the
same to my understanding. Therefore be sure to try the correct form.

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What are smart drugs?

Also known as memory enhancers, cognitive enhancers or 'Botox for the brain', smart drugs are a group of medicines used to treat neurological conditions such as Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder (ADHD), Alzheimer's disease, and sleep disorders like narcolepsy. They include:
  • Modafinil, developed for narcolepsy and usually sold under the brand name Provigil
  • Methylphenidate, aka Ritalin or Concerta, a stimulant primarily used to treat ADHD and sometimes nicknamed 'kiddie coke'
  • Adderall, a mixture of amphetamine and dextroamphetamine used for ADHD and narcolepsy
Studies show around one in five US college students have taken smart drugs to help them study. It's thought they're becoming more widely used in the UK, too. They've also been trialled by the UK and US armies, and by pilots and astronauts.

Those sound to me more like substances to promote alertness, rather than "smart drugs".

I have recently purchased some Aniracetam, although I don't have it yet;

Comments from various websites;

"Aniracetam is a nootropic or smart drug. Nootropic means acting on the mind. It is a term first used by Dr. Giurgea to describe a substance, that was found to have beneficial effects in the treatment lack of concentration etc. Since then, nootropics have been shown to have so-many beneficial affects on mental and memory capabilities, that they have come to be known as smart-drugs. One of the primary differences between nootropics and other memory enhancers is that nootropics improve communication across the brain's Corpus Callosum. This area of the brain joins the two hemispheres, it links the logical side with the creative side. This may be the major reason why creative individuals and brain workers find they can accomplish much more when they are supplementing with nootropics."


"The word nootropic was coined upon discovery of the effects of piracetam, developed in the 1960s.[19] Although piracetam is the most commonly taken nootropic,[19] there are many relatives in the family that have different potencies and side effects. Other common racetams include pramiracetam, oxiracetam, and aniracetam. There is no generally-accepted mechanism for racetams. In general, they show no affinity for the most important receptors, although modulation of most important central neurotransmitters, including acetylcholine and glutamate, have been reported.[20] Although aniracetam and nebracetam show affinity for muscarinic receptors, only nefiracetam shows it at the nanomolar range. Racetams have been called "pharmacologically safe" drugs.[11]"


From the research I have done online it appears* to be a relatively benign substance, that may prove useful to aid concentration. It's a rather unusual direction that someone in the trading field could take, but I am quite open-minded and not adverse to at least consider something that could prove useful.


"Safety

Like other nootropics, aniracetam is very safe, although it may be slightly more toxic than piracetam. The LD50 is 4.5 g/kg orally in rats and 5.0 g/kg orally in mice [1]; for an 80 kg human, this would equate to over 500 times the standard dose of 1.5 g. Animal studies have not found evidence of toxic effects in normal animals, no teratogenic effects have been found, and aniracetam does not influence food intake in rodents [1, 3, 24]. Monkeys do not self-administer aniracetam, and after 31 days of daily dosing, no physical or behavioral withdrawal symptoms are observed upon discontinuation [34]."

I sometimes find difficulty concentrating whilst trading, towards the end of my "working week" days. I work extra hours during my "working week", this enables me to work less hours during the following week (my work allows flexi-time), this is so that I can trade the US markets full-time during the "less hours" week. This is mainly due to the fact that I work full time and aim to trade full time every other week but in order to do this I have to work longer hours at the "day job" once every two weeks, and during that week, having got up at 6am, started work at 8am and worked for 10 hours, I find that once I'm home, during the last two hours of the US market open session, I can sometimes lack concentration.

*Please do your own research

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Oh Adderall

Oh Adderall, How do I love thee. Let me count the ways...

I will list those in a detailed, bullet formatted spreadsheet with smart tags and XML capabilities...


Hell yeah if you can get them take some! I had to buy a few on the black market when I was studying for my CPA exam, working 2 jobs, and about to have a child... Ahh good times! Use them to develop auto trading systems, study multiple markets and do that deep data mining correlation you have been racking in your head for weeks. And still have time to clean your office, repair your relationship with your parents, and wax your car in between ticks. What it will not help you with is patience. And that could lead to trouble, but no problem.... Just teach your child to make the trades for you as you will want someone to explain your system to whie you knock out the rest of the chores your wife has been nagging you about for weeks. Lots of haters apparently running around but the market is so boooooring and slow. It moves for 10 seconds while you wait for 2 hours in chop.... I know doctors, lawyers, and every other possible profession with people on adderall. It is the coffee of the new generation! Barry Bonds was a great hitter before steroids, but while he was on steroids, he was the best hitter that ever lived. The man was intentionally walked with the bases loaded.... TWICE I think... Babe RUth needed to be wasted most of the time, but he wouldnt have a chance against a roided up Barry. Cant even be mentioned in the same conversation. Now I havent ever railed coke and traded, but hell I am sure I will one day. Just like when you trade high, sit for a bit until you understand the "new perspective" you are seeing that night before you start committing your drug money in the market. I also recommend doing this on sunday night when things are slow and you wont lose your buzz trying to get your money back.

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Those sound to me more like substances to promote alertness, rather than "smart drugs".

I have recently purchased some Aniracetam, although I don't have it yet;

Comments from various websites;

"Aniracetam is a nootropic or smart drug. Nootropic means acting on the mind. It is a term first used by Dr. Giurgea to describe a substance, that was found to have beneficial effects in the treatment lack of concentration etc. Since then, nootropics have been shown to have so-many beneficial affects on mental and memory capabilities, that they have come to be known as smart-drugs. One of the primary differences between nootropics and other memory enhancers is that nootropics improve communication across the brain's Corpus Callosum. This area of the brain joins the two hemispheres, it links the logical side with the creative side. This may be the major reason why creative individuals and brain workers find they can accomplish much more when they are supplementing with nootropics."


"The word nootropic was coined upon discovery of the effects of piracetam, developed in the 1960s.[19] Although piracetam is the most commonly taken nootropic,[19] there are many relatives in the family that have different potencies and side effects. Other common racetams include pramiracetam, oxiracetam, and aniracetam. There is no generally-accepted mechanism for racetams. In general, they show no affinity for the most important receptors, although modulation of most important central neurotransmitters, including acetylcholine and glutamate, have been reported.[20] Although aniracetam and nebracetam show affinity for muscarinic receptors, only nefiracetam shows it at the nanomolar range. Racetams have been called "pharmacologically safe" drugs.[11]"


From the research I have done online it appears* to be a relatively benign substance, that may prove useful to aid concentration. It's a rather unusual direction that someone in the trading field could take, but I am quite open-minded and not adverse to at least consider something that could prove useful.


"Safety

Like other nootropics, aniracetam is very safe, although it may be slightly more toxic than piracetam. The LD50 is 4.5 g/kg orally in rats and 5.0 g/kg orally in mice [1]; for an 80 kg human, this would equate to over 500 times the standard dose of 1.5 g. Animal studies have not found evidence of toxic effects in normal animals, no teratogenic effects have been found, and aniracetam does not influence food intake in rodents [1, 3, 24]. Monkeys do not self-administer aniracetam, and after 31 days of daily dosing, no physical or behavioral withdrawal symptoms are observed upon discontinuation [34]."

I sometimes find difficulty concentrating whilst trading, towards the end of my "working week" days. I work extra hours during my "working week", this enables me to work less hours during the following week (my work allows flexi-time), this is so that I can trade the US markets full-time during the "less hours" week. This is mainly due to the fact that I work full time and aim to trade full time every other week but in order to do this I have to work longer hours at the "day job" once every two weeks, and during that week, having got up at 6am, started work at 8am and worked for 10 hours, I find that once I'm home, during the last two hours of the US market open session, I can sometimes lack concentration.

*Please do your own research



Started Piracetam and I absolutely love the stuff. I have enhanced recall, verbal fluidity, and mood. I like everything about it's properties to how it tastes. It's the very thing I was searching for. (Modafinil and adrafinil didn't work well for me. Adderall had too many side effects. )

Other noots I'd give a shout out to are L-tyrosine and L-theanine (the energy and relaxation constituents of the amino acid family), and st. johns wort to a lesser extent for it's subtle anti depressant effects coupled with hardly any side effects.

If anyone has any experience with stacking onto piracetam let me know. I have my eye on sulbutiamine, an enhanced version of B1 for some added energy.

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Adderall/Ritalin is an interesting double edged sword when it comes to trading. Doubly so since it seems a lot of traders have ADHD.

ADHD makes self regulation difficult. Controlling emotions, staying focused, stopping yourself before you do something, and thinking it all the way through is more difficult with ADHD. All things necessary for effective trading. However, these medications work by increasing dopamine and norepinephrine in your brain. Norepinephrine is a precursor to adrenaline. So it can make you feel "tense". This isn't good for trading.

So if you have ADHD I'd suggest taking the medication while trading to establish good habits. If you don't really have ADHD it may do more harm than good.

I should add that if you are ADHD that you should look into Straterra. It still improves focus and self regulation, but the effect is more localized to your frontal lobe. Many users report reduced anxiety while on it. However, it is an anti depressant class medication so you have to tirate onto it slowly, and you'll feel like compete crap for the first month or so.

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nootropics + google + online shopping. Have fun!

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Caffeine via tea or coffee helps me.

Nicotine via nicorrette

I've thought of adderall after the first 2 hours.
I can stay fairly well focused for 2 hours or so trading, then I start going flat unless I take a break.

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I've got to say I am intrigued by the properties of some of the meds you guys are describing and would be curious to try.

Sadly this stuff is regulated differently in Europe - tried to look for some of the names mentioned but they are either not produced/sold or, if they are, they need a prescription or they are sold by questionable websites (meaning the authenticity/effectiveness is questionable).

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