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Traders with 5-10 years of experience but still not profitable

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Financial markets have a tendency to exhibit fat tails and other odd statistical distributions that make them difficult to analyze. Such distributions fool the tools that we are taught in school such as root-mean-square. One of the biggest problems this causes is with sample size. The more fat tailed your distribution is the more samples you'll need to see the real statistical properties of the distribution. To deal with such distributions it requires tons of samples, and graduate level statistics.

Humans are not very good at comprehending large numbers, and the math in high school never gets advanced enough to deal with these problems. I can't quantify exactly how many people understand this stuff, but there's not very many masters level math graduates out there. Of course, retail trades can learn this on their own by reading Taleb etc, but comments suggests the majority of participants haven't done that. Posters continue to rave about a few months of results they saw on YouTube even after we've established in the very thread that it requires tens of thousands of samples to get useful statistics.

But what we're getting at now is how do you deal with the problem, and I'm finding the turnover to be a key issue. It doesn't matter how effective you get at teaching it, the turnover in the space means the majority of the community will always be ignorant of these concepts.

Now that might not sound very compassionate or understanding. That's certainly what I thought when I first heard these things. I didn't want to accept it, and my first thought was they must just be projecting. All I can do is laugh about it because I had the exact same reactions. But there's no way I would have lasted this long otherwise. I'm not here to make you feel good. I'm here to give you the best chance. The first step of that is understanding reality as it really is despite what we'd rather believe.

That's all well and good. Some (many?) of us know way more than you assume we do. I think it has already been well documented and debated that in trading, knowledge does not equate to success. Your assumption is that ignorance is the cause. That is condescending. For all you know, I have a PhD in mathematics. That also does not foretell of my success in trading. Look at the contrast between THIS (quoted) post and the one where you were presuming people don't know that "live trading" can be faked. Just because one of those youtube traders might have a couple thousand followers doesn't mean that the average person doesn't know live trading can be faked. You can't know that that is the reason for their followers. It could be that maybe you don't know all those followers are paid subscribers! You also don't know that it is NOT real. You aren't the only skeptic here. I would probably skeptic you under the table.

I think you're missing the nuance of my comment. The post I have quoted above is effectively a straw man argument you've constructed as an effigy of the one precipitating my suggestion that you can do better. While I see nothing discompassionate about the post quoted here, I do see your previous one as discompassionate because you're attacking the student for perceived ignorance. Any yes, I DO feel like you were speaking to me when you said it.


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The first step of that is understanding reality as it really is despite what we'd rather believe.

A point we can agree on. Now, consider the possibility that the reality is that people are actually smarter than you, despite what you'd rather believe. See if that doesn't effect your compassion a little more. Whether they are smarter than you or not is irrelevant. We are all able to learn something from others, even if it is the shill on youtube.

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@goodoboy, I had a chuckle, though I am not sure everyone gets the sarcasm.

Good Morning vmodus,

What is so funny buddy?

I am a making alot of money trading the ES futures market scalping everyday. I trade about 50 ES contracts per trade, the past 3 years. I am making about $5000 per day.

Would you like to sign up for my trading course and I teach you as well?

You can sign up and pay me $2000 and I will teach you how to make money trading and scalping ES everyday.

Thank you,

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goodoboy View Post
Good Morning vmodus,

What is so funny buddy?

I am a making alot of money trading the ES futures market scalping everyday. I trade about 50 ES contracts per trade, the past 3 years. I am making about $5000 per day.

Would you like to sign up for my trading course and I teach you as well?

You can sign up and pay me $2000 and I will teach you how to make money trading and scalping ES everyday.

Thank you,

You wouldn't be willing to donate just 2 ticks to help out a poor unfortunate beginner?


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You wouldn't be willing to donate just 2 ticks to help out a poor unfortunate beginner?


Good Morning chipwitch,

Yes I can donate 2 ticks to you. Even better, I can donate my entire trading ES scalping course showing you how to make $5000 per day. No need to suffer as a beginner, just buy my trading course for $2000, I have you making money daily in about 2 months.

Thank you

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goodoboy View Post
Good Morning chipwitch,

Yes I can donate 2 ticks to you. Even better, I can donate my entire trading ES scalping course showing you how to make $5000 per day. No need to suffer as a beginner, just buy my trading course for $2000, I have you making money daily in about 2 months.

Thank you

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Check's in the mail

Thank you so much chipwitch for buying my trading course.

You are my first customer. Congrats.

Good luck in the trading course.

1 down and 499 more customers to go to reach my goal.

Thank you,

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Now, consider the possibility that the reality is that people are actually smarter than you, despite what you'd rather believe. See if that doesn't effect your compassion a little more. Whether they are smarter than you or not is irrelevant. We are all able to learn something from others, even if it is the shill on youtube.

If people are so smart then let them talk about proven market behaviors that are backed up with empirical research.

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TWDsje View Post
If people are so smart then let them talk about proven market behaviors that are backed up with empirical research.

You quoted it but missed the point:

"Whether they are smarter than you or not is irrelevant. We are all able to learn something from others, even if it is the shill on youtube."

It's about humility and respect for others. That isn't mutually exclusive to teaching... or learning.

How successful has math made you with trading? Was it you or someone else who posted that Isaac Newton lost millions in the market? It seems to me that you see mathematics as the single, exclusive necessity to trading. It isn't. It helps you. I get that. It helps me too. But for some, just doing, experiencing and practicing will do the same thing. I know people like that. You don't need to be a physicist to know how to strike a baseball flying at 100 mph, with a skinny round stick and propel it in your desired direction 400 feet. I'd even argue that knowing how to calculate the mechanics would actually serve as an impediment. It serves no one, including yourself, to get frustrated because your expectations of others isn't met.

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goodoboy View Post
Hello Everyone,

I just want to say this.

I am the best scalping day trader alive and make alot of money. If anyone wants to learn hit me up.

Please do not ask me for proof of making money because I do not have any proof. However, it felt really good saying that to see how it feels making such lying statements on forum.

Seriously, if I was making money scalping about 50 ES contract a day. I would not waste time typing this message. And damn sure would not waste time teaching other traders.

Thank you,


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@goodoboy, I had a chuckle, though I am not sure everyone gets the sarcasm.

@goodoboy, I agree with @vmodus. I got the joke and I thought it was funny, and you are making a good point in your last sentence. Your follow-up posts are funny too.

Some may not have gotten it though. Those who know you know that you are kidding... I just wanted to say that, for anyone who took it seriously. Sometimes we may not see how others take the things we say.

Bob.

When one door closes, another opens.
-- Cervantes, Don Quixote
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bobwest View Post
@goodoboy, I agree with @vmodus. I got the joke and I thought it was funny, and you are making a good point in your last sentence. Your follow-up posts are funny too.

Some may not have gotten it though. Those who know you know that you are kidding... I just wanted to say that, for anyone who took it seriously. Sometimes we may not see how others take the things we say.

Bob.

I was wondering when you were going to pop in

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