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I think one thing that goes unremarked too often is that day trading is very mentally demanding.

Seems to me that revenge trading is partially anger but also an exhaustion of the control you need to brush the anger off, or the control to properly analyse trades. Maybe working on that would help. Maybe you need a week off after working for x number of weeks? Recharge, rest your brain. Build back the control you need. I think there may be science behind this, that control (willpower for instance) is a limited rescource in the brain and needs to be recharged.

This is something I am working on right now.

Hello SLMacKellar.

Will power has truly been proven to be limited. It also been proven that people have different varying degrees to begin with.

Having said that I'm reading a ground breaking book I can't believe know ones writen before.

Zero charts. It's about psychology. But it lays the foundation for a STRATEGY to tackle these psychological issues head on.

And I mean that. It lays out an ACTIONABLE strategy to deal with the CORE of your trading issues... emotions and decision making!

No fluff. Completely relevant. The descriptions of emotional states, feelings, and thoughts are like no other book on trading anywhere. Period.

Jack Schwagers books used to be my favorites. Not anymore

Mark Douglas... ya he's good...

Brett Steinberger... yeup good too.

But...

If I had to recommend ONE book to ANY trader... novice, struggling, or experienced, this would be the book.

https://www.amazon.com/Mental-Game-Trading-Confidence-Discipline-ebook/dp/B09253NDBB

Please for the love of God anybody struggling or thinking the market isn't fair or just need to get to the next level.... READ THIS BOOK!

If anyone wants the true HOLY GRAIL!

The GRAIL OF ALL GRAILS!

THE ONE GRAIL TO RULE THEM ALL...

(all joking aside) It's the mastery of ONESELF. That's the ONLY holy grail.

YOU are the trader. YOU make the decisions to get in or out. Hence YOU are the soul responsiture of your trading outcome. Full stop. No blame. No misunderstanding. It's your fault.

How would you like to trade without guilt? Without remorse. Without anger, sadness or worse depression?

You can and how you do it? By knowing when your body is sending you signals that something is wrong or needs attention.

Thats what we call stress. Chemicals such as adrenaline and cortisol start floating around in our brians literally causing us to feel stress.

It's our bodys way of signaling us something dangerous could be near and need to focused attention and remove anything from attention thats not necessary.

Primal mode. Terrible state to trade in. Almost guaranteed to do the wrong thing to protect yourself.

How do we harness this power...

Im telling ya...

https://www.amazon.com/Mental-Game-Trading-Confidence-Discipline-ebook/dp/B09253NDBB

Just go there and just read the table of contents. Or find a sample chapter. If you know whats good for you (or don't) you will understand and read.

Normally this is where I say this is just MHO. F-that. Go read this book! IT WILL change you.



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Hello SLMacKellar.

Will power has truly been proven to be limited. It also been proven that people have different varying degrees to begin with.

Having said that I'm reading a ground breaking book I can't believe know ones writen before.

Zero charts. It's about psychology. But it lays the foundation for a STRATEGY to tackle these psychological issues head on.

And i mean that. It lays out an ACTIONABLE strategy to deal with the CORE of your trading issues... emotions and decision making!

No fluff. Completely relevant. The descriptions of emotional states, feelings, and thoughts are like no other book on trading anywhere. Period.

Jack Schwagers books used to be my favorites. Not anymore

Mark Douglas... ya he's good...

Brett Steinberger... yeup good too.

But...

If I had to recommend ONE book to ANY trader... novice, struggling, or experienced, this would be the book.

https://www.amazon.com/Mental-Game-Trading-Confidence-Discipline-ebook/dp/B09253NDBB

Please for the love of God anybody struggling or thinking the market isn't fair or just need to get to the next level.... READ THIS BOOK!

If anyone wants the true HOLY GRAIL!

The GRAIL OF ALL GRAILS!

THE ONE GRAIL TO RULE THEM ALL...

(all joking aside) It's the mastery of ONESELF. That's the ONLY holy grail.

YOU are the trader. YOU make the decisions to get in or out. Hence YOU are the soul responsiture of your trading outcome. Full stop. No blame. No misunderstanding. It's your fault.

How would you like to trade without guilt? Without remorse. Without anger, sadness or worse depression?

You can and how you do it? By knowing when your body is sending you signals that something is wrong or needs attention.

Thats what we call stress. Chemicals such as adrenaline and cortisol start floating around in our brians literally causing us to feel stress.

It's our bodys way of signaling us something dangerous could be near and need to focused attention and remove anything from attention thats not necessary.

Primal mode. Terrible state to trade in. Almost guaranteed to do the wrong thing to protect yourself.

How do we harness this power...

Im telling ya...

https://www.amazon.com/Mental-Game-Trading-Confidence-Discipline-ebook/dp/B09253NDBB

Just go there and just read the table of contents. Or find a sample chapter. If you know whats hood for you you will understand and read.

Normally this is where I say thisbis just MHO. F-that. Go read this book. IT WILL change you.



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Does this book offer trading Edges to make money consistently?

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LastDino View Post
Similar threads appear in good frequency and their creator "usually" follows the same pattern. Its fairly routine.

We take a sip of our favorite beverage and get on with our own lives, I guess?

Couldn't agree more.

13 pages of unbelievable advice. Im sure not much will change.

We tend to "see" information that fits with what we believe and without realizing "filter"out the rest.

He's only going to be able to see and change what he's READY to see and change. Unfortunately.

But I hope not



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JBWTrader,

LOL, that is the because blew who started the forum thread is not real. It is called trading marketing to capture the attention of eyes for ad clicks and self promotion.

Keep in mind, blew never posted any broker accounts or trading records to prove he his losses and wins.

My input, unless you showing broker accounts or trading records, you lying and guessing.

Although I never thought of that it would be interesting to hear what he had to say.

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Does this book offer trading Edges to make money consistently?

Yes. The most powerful one in the universe.

The one between your ears!

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So I just need to get this off my chest. I just gave away all my gains on the year. I went from 7k -> 70k -> 10k. I blew most of it revenge trading and taking too big of position sizes. I got so comfortable scaling up as I was profiting consistently, and I threw it all away in like 10-15 trades. All the work I put in.. day and night studying all the styles of trading, figuring out what worked for me and what didn’t, and I blew it all within a few days by emotionally revenge trading and scaling up higher as the losses got deeper. How could I be so stupid?! I’m still in disbelief I blew an account. I was happy to be one of the ones who didn’t blow up an account because I remained disciplined enough to run up basically 1000% in 5 months.

I can’t bring myself to tell my spouse. She would be really supportive I know it, but I can’t even face myself at the moment, let alone have to explain what happened. Disgusted with myself. Utterly disgusted. I can’t believe I let myself get so emotional and out of control. What in the fuck was going through this dense skull of mine?! My confidence is shaken but it’s not at the same time. I’m confident that I just made 1000% in 5 months, and I’m also confident I just blew that 1000% in 3 days. So what does that really say about me as a trader... that I’m probably not too good I’m thinking.

The problem is trading is now apart of my identity it feels like. I love it but right now I hate it. Before a 4K swing up or down was no big deal, cause I’m some big shot or some shit I guess. But now 4K would axe me for good damn near. I want to give up but I don’t cause I love trading. What can I learn from this? Don’t revenge trade. But I knew that. I knew it while I was doing it and I know it now. So why didn’t I fucking stop?? I don’t know what to do from here.

Hello brother, I feel your pain (most of us have been around this block once or twice).

Never forget that EVERYTHING is an opportunity to grow, to become a better trader, to evolve into the BEST version of YOU.

Ask: "How does this serve me AS IT IS?" Make a list. Reap the benefits of this setback (or it's wasted). Make INNER changes, and then come back and CRUSH IT.

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Sandpaddict,

Never ever forget the end goal of trading....to make money consistently with better return to risk than the SP500 index return to risk.

The only way you know if a trader is not blowing smoke, is broker records and track records. Everything else someone has to say is completely a lie and guessing.

No Proof = Lying.

Well as much as I agree I think it's a little more nuanced than that.

First off. The S&P is the benchmark. Why would you want to put the risk and effort in if you can't beat the benchmark? You'd be better off parking your money in the index.

So if you can get a better return than the index, not always but usually it's at the expense of the extra risk.

So one risk doesn't correlate to the other.

And Secondly Van Tharp in my mind is one of the greatest trading teachers in history and he doesnt even trade!

So yes and no. Nothings really that black and white.

Although you could be %100 in this situation. I don't know.

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Well as much as I agree I think it's a little more nuanced than that.

First off. The S&P is the benchmark. Why would you want to put the risk and effort in if you can't beat the benchmark? You'd be better off parking your money in the index.

So if you can get a better return than the index, not always but usually it's at the expense of the extra risk.

This is correct.

Even if a trader can get 10% return per year, then they need at least $1M to get about $100K to make decent money per year.

And that is the problem right there, nobody thinks about the end goal of what they are doing.

If a trader start trading with $10K account, first thing to write down as a goal : for the next 3 years I better beat the SP500 index returns. If I do not, QUIT and find another business to invest time and energy into.

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This is correct.

Even if a trader can get 10% return per year, then they need at least $1M to get about $100K to make decent money per year.

And that is the problem right there, nobody thinks about the end goal of what they are doing.

If a trader start trading with $10K account, first thing to write down as a goal : for the next 3 years I better beat the SP500 index returns. If I do not, QUIT and find another business to invest time and energy into.

Thats actually fantastic advice!

The problem is we don't listen. Lol. I'm just starting to make money somewhat consistently now after 6 years! Some take over a decade! And some sadly never make it to profitability let alone beat the S&P as a benchmark.

And I'm YEARS away from breaking even on what I've lost let alone what I've paid in courses, books and most importantly time I could have spent better elsewhere.

Yet I couldn't trade it for the world. We are weird creatures us humans.

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Thats actually fantastic advice!

The problem is we don't listen. Lol. I'm just starting to make money somewhat consistently now after 6 years! Some take over a decade! And some sadly never make it to profitability let alone beat the S&P as a benchmark.

And I'm YEARS away from breaking even on what I've lost let alone what I've paid in courses, books and most importantly time I could have spent better elsewhere.

Yet I couldn't trade it for the world. We are weird creatures us humans.

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I have to say that I dont really agree with this whole idea that "you'd better beat the S&P or go find something else" and that somehow if you eke out a few points over the S&P then you're a successful trader. Kind of a trite comparison (with all due respect to goodoboy). Of course people in the industry (ie who actually work on wall street for big institutions etc) will benchmark themselves this way as their organisations are likely managing huge portfolios where a small tweak may result in millions/billions of rotation but you and me are not in this situation. My view is that if you cannot significantly beat that benchmark trading independently (ie without the limitations attached to trading/investing huge portfolios) then you should probably try something else. On an average year trading independently you should probably be making more than 10 points on your money or else you'd need a hell of a lot of money to get by (goodoboy gave the example of having a million dollar portfolio to generate 100k per year - not many people will have that amount of capital at least to start off with). I guess my point is here that someone who knows how to use options effectively can likely generate more than 10 points per year on his/her margin (clearly not possible for an institution prohibited from investing in illiquid securities or options unless for hedging purposes). Anyway I'll leave that one to the experts...

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