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I finally blew up an account

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Kolnidrei
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hi, it's simple, you're not a trader, you're a gambler !
You need to accept yourself as the person you are, that's all !
You have to accept yourself as a gambler !
A gambler is a fatalist, someone who knows he can win big or loose it all
but who juste doésn't care, as anyway it's a zero-sum game,
so if you blew up you're account you made someone else happy !
Isn't this reason enough to be happy yourself ?

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My solution applied to my own situation:

Regarding my own financial situation and my "emotional capital" (not about money), losing $200 a day and even $1,000 a week is not a big deal, even if no one likes to lose anything. Losing $2,500 a day becomes (at least now) not fun at all. So when the emotional toll of losing becomes unpleasant to hard and then unbearable? Few years ago, the first (unpleasant) was at $100 a day, now the $1,000 is the tipping point or my "first sensory pain".
Anyway, understanding where I am and how I feel about losing, helped me a lot.

The dream for so many traders is to grow an account to the roof.
In the past, I learned everything that I could regarding money management or position sizing, even when I was still losing with an amazing consistency. 2%. Fixed fractional, Optimal F, etc.
My goal was to be able to make it and finally become a pro who can live from his passion. The emotional toll was so huge when I blew up my last option account few years ago, that it took me months to recover emotionally. Then, I finally understood the meaning of money for me, understanding myself and what I call my "emotional capital" and how that works with me. (Perhaps a beginning of a self analysis?)

So now, I am constantly aware of where are my sensory pains, per day, week and even month.
My "secret" is to do the opposite of what people try to achieve regarding position sizing: The larger my account is and the less risks I take: With a $10,000. account, I don't have any problem to risk 2% per trade and then 5% per day, and 12.5% a week.
For example, with a $100,000. account dedicated to my day trading, I will have a hard time to lose $5,000. a day! So, the more my account grow and the more I reduce the size of my risks. I have written in stone how I will decrease or increase my risks, regarding the size of my account and the size of my emotional capital.
I also consistently monitor my daily and weekly PF. I discovered that it is a great way for me to see when my trading will go wrong, even before it happens.

It works well for me and even if we are all different, I hope that can help you and others as well.
Best!

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Take a look at this just in case. https://www.forbes.com/sites/shaharziv/2021/03/26/robinhood-trader-may-face-800000-tax-bill/
You have to keeps some money for your taxes
Don’t quit trading but make your rule and follow them. If you have a bad day don’t trade the next 3 or 5 days. You need to analyze your bad trades and your mistakes. Take care man.


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So I just need to get this off my chest. I just gave away all my gains on the year. I went from 7k -> 70k -> 10k. I blew most of it revenge trading and taking too big of position sizes. I got so comfortable scaling up as I was profiting consistently, and I threw it all away in like 10-15 trades. All the work I put in.. day and night studying all the styles of trading, figuring out what worked for me and what didn’t, and I blew it all within a few days by emotionally revenge trading and scaling up higher as the losses got deeper. How could I be so stupid?! I’m still in disbelief I blew an account. I was happy to be one of the ones who didn’t blow up an account because I remained disciplined enough to run up basically 1000% in 5 months.

I can’t bring myself to tell my spouse. She would be really supportive I know it, but I can’t even face myself at the moment, let alone have to explain what happened. Disgusted with myself. Utterly disgusted. I can’t believe I let myself get so emotional and out of control. What in the fuck was going through this dense skull of mine?! My confidence is shaken but it’s not at the same time. I’m confident that I just made 1000% in 5 months, and I’m also confident I just blew that 1000% in 3 days. So what does that really say about me as a trader... that I’m probably not too good I’m thinking.

The problem is trading is now apart of my identity it feels like. I love it but right now I hate it. Before a 4K swing up or down was no big deal, cause I’m some big shot or some shit I guess. But now 4K would axe me for good damn near. I want to give up but I don’t cause I love trading. What can I learn from this? Don’t revenge trade. But I knew that. I knew it while I was doing it and I know it now. So why didn’t I fucking stop?? I don’t know what to do from here.


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 dhiebert 
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The first thing you need to do is to take a break from trading. A minimum of one month if not three. AFTER the break, you need to figure out something that is going to work for you. Personally I had taken a one week class with Dave Green. I had blown up my account several times, thus I am speaking from personal experience. It won't happen again. He is trading stocks mind you, however the methodology he teaches for the half a dozen setups that he uses works with most things traded. He also has a ton of good information to keep your brain in check... stop the revenge trading and let the trades come to you. You should NEVER be asking yourself after a trade, "why did I do this trade". There always has to be a reason, and the reason ALWAYS has to be a setup. Also, I recommend you reading the book "Trading In The Zone" by Mark Douglas. I'd say "good luck", but professional trading isn't about luck. Luck is for the casino's, which by blowing up your account thus far is how you would have been using the markets.



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So I just need to get this off my chest. I just gave away all my gains on the year. I went from 7k -> 70k -> 10k. I blew most of it revenge trading and taking too big of position sizes. I got so comfortable scaling up as I was profiting consistently, and I threw it all away in like 10-15 trades. All the work I put in.. day and night studying all the styles of trading, figuring out what worked for me and what didn’t, and I blew it all within a few days by emotionally revenge trading and scaling up higher as the losses got deeper. How could I be so stupid?! I’m still in disbelief I blew an account. I was happy to be one of the ones who didn’t blow up an account because I remained disciplined enough to run up basically 1000% in 5 months.

I can’t bring myself to tell my spouse. She would be really supportive I know it, but I can’t even face myself at the moment, let alone have to explain what happened. Disgusted with myself. Utterly disgusted. I can’t believe I let myself get so emotional and out of control. What in the fuck was going through this dense skull of mine?! My confidence is shaken but it’s not at the same time. I’m confident that I just made 1000% in 5 months, and I’m also confident I just blew that 1000% in 3 days. So what does that really say about me as a trader... that I’m probably not too good I’m thinking.

The problem is trading is now apart of my identity it feels like. I love it but right now I hate it. Before a 4K swing up or down was no big deal, cause I’m some big shot or some shit I guess. But now 4K would axe me for good damn near. I want to give up but I don’t cause I love trading. What can I learn from this? Don’t revenge trade. But I knew that. I knew it while I was doing it and I know it now. So why didn’t I fucking stop?? I don’t know what to do from here.


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So I just need to get this off my chest. I just gave away all my gains on the year. I went from 7k -> 70k -> 10k. I blew most of it revenge trading and taking too big of position sizes. I got so comfortable scaling up as I was profiting consistently, and I threw it all away in like 10-15 trades. All the work I put in.. day and night studying all the styles of trading, figuring out what worked for me and what didn’t, and I blew it all within a few days by emotionally revenge trading and scaling up to higher as the losses got deeper. How could I be so stupid?! I’m still in disbelief I blew an account. I was happy to be one of the ones who didn’t blow up an account because I remained disciplined enough to run up basically 1000% in 5 months.

I can’t bring myself to tell my spouse. She would be really supportive I know it, but I can’t even face myself at the moment, let alone have to explain what happened. Disgusted with me. Utterly disgusted. I can’t believe I let myself get so emotional and out of control. What in the fuck was going through this dense skull of mine?! My confidence is shaken but it’s not at the same time. I’m confident that I just made 1000% in 5 months, and I’m also confident I just blew that 1000% in 3 days. So what does that really say about me as a trader... that I’m probably not too good I’m thinking.

The problem is trading is now a part of my identity it feels like. I love it but right now I hate it. Before a 4K swing up or down was no big deal, cause I’m some big shot or some shit I guess. But now 4K would axe me for good damn near. I want to give up but I don’t cause I love trading. What can I learn from this? Don’t revenge trade. But I knew that. I knew it while I was doing it and I know it now. So why didn’t I fucking stop?? I don’t know what to do from here.

I have been there as well, blew $55k last year, having traded it up from $1000 in 5 months. I was really upset with myself after it because it only came down to one thing, me not following the rules that got me to $55k. I had to take a few days off, accept the loss because I broke my own rule, trying to figure out how do I prevent myself from breaking the rules? I know there isn't really anything that prevents me from breaking the rules, other than trying to constantly remind myself that I blew $55k. I have since been working on automating some of my trades to eliminate the biggest issue, which is me , and I'm getting back into the game, I'm not depositing more money so now my challenge is to build from $19 to $55k and beyond. This past week was good and I'm starting to close in on 3 figures, 2 weeks from now I want to be in 4 figures and then accelerate the growth.

My words of wisdom to you are to put the losses in a picture next to your screen, look at them every time you take a trade and make sure you follow your rules. When you feel like "cheating" or revenge trade, look at the statement that shows how you blew your account and that should help you remember what made you blow your account.

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GREED , FEAR greed was the increase in size . fear was the bad trading habits you used out of fear of seeing your account bleeding . the same thing gets all of us at some point. just start over with a better plan.

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Read "Trading in the Zone" by Mark Douglas. Very helpful for understanding the psychology and impulses that lead to blown accounts and how to avoid them.

I've also blown out my account too. After that I came across this book by Mark Douglas, and it was a game changer.

How the human mind works, how the majority of us makes the same mistakes. I wish I knew about this before.

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I've also blown out my account too. After that I came across this book by Mark Douglas, and it was a game changer.

How the human mind works, how the majority of us makes the same mistakes. I wish I knew about this before.

There are also YouTube videos by Mark Douglas. Very informative which will change your perception regarding your executions.

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Thank you for sharing your experience. It takes courage!!! EVERYONE has blown it (at least once) and if they haven't or say they don't IMO they are lying.

Do tell your spouse.. being upfront with them will reinforce accountability. Not just to them but to you. You have to be accountable and ideally to someone else besides yourself. I have a trading partner but even that isn't 100% on the accountability scale, but it does help.

So first, great going on finding your niche and what works. As for the negative behavior.. well good news here to, you are human and not a machine. We are not wired for trading, the millions of years of hunting and self-preservation have hard wired certain behaviors. Search out the videos and books by Mark Douglas--spot on.

Some thoughts on how to regroup. Come up with a risk management calculation. Use it to determine your starting trading size and changes throughout the session (both scaling size up AND down). Find out your smallest size based on the risk calc and stick do it. And the hard part is to set the rule for NO revenge trading and just follow-it. No one will be able to do that but you. And you can do it.

Here is what I use for risk management and sizing.

And to keep it "real" I am out of the game myself recently due to my blow up from the February journal challenge.

AND I have twice gone from small bank up to $48k and $38k and back down. So same challenge all of us human traders succumb to--- i.e. being human. I am a work in progress.

Good luck and protect protect protect to trade another day.

Cheers,
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"The Mental Game of Trading" by Jared Tendler is a practical guide to improve your mental game.

Becoming a professional trader will require a lot of work on yourself. Smaller size or setting limits at your brokers, things like that, will not make you a better trader. These are just crutches.

You need to correct the deep-seated, fundamental flaws in your mental game.

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I just bought this book based on the table of contents within a minute.

I can't bring myself to read another new trading book lately. They are usually rehashes or plainly wrong.

Looking only the table of contents I am finally excited to read a new book.

Thank you for your recommendation.

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