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Gambling (with life)

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 EgoRisk 
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The more I trade the more I understand that there is a level of gambling that we must accept.

I don't think I am a gambler but I accept that I put a "wager" on the table everytime I enter a trade. When I trade well I think like a poker player, when I trade poorly I do not accept the risk and I avoid the losses.

Good words.

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I think of the difference of the risk and gambling like this.

Say you own a store selling fruit. You buy fruit at a certain price, with a reasonable expectation that you can sell it at higher price and make a profit.
Sometimes you don't sell all of the fruit and you have to junk it. That's business risk.

Gambling would be spending your entire fruit budget on a new line of exotic Japanese pears, just because you've heard that they are currently fashionable in the neighborhood and you could make a quick killing if you sold them all. But if you don't sell enough, you go bust.

Thinking about trading in this way has helped me feel better about embracing necessary risk, because it makes it feel like any other business.

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Trading for me is not gambling. It is a business. Nothing in life is guaranteed except death and taxes.

Can a gambler sit for hours watching charts and not making any trades on slow days?

Last time I was in Las Vegas, spent $20. More fun to watch people.

Can understand how some people see trading as gambling.

Maybe you are a gambler if you are losing in trading, and a trader if you are winning.

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Trading for me is not gambling. It is a business. Nothing in life is guaranteed except death and taxes.

Can a gambler sit for hours watching charts and not making any trades on slow days?

Last time I was in Las Vegas, spent $20. More fun to watch people.

Can understand how some people see trading as gambling.

Maybe you are a gambler if you are losing in trading, and a trader if you are winning.

I think technically, gambling is wagering on any outcome that is uncertain. Whether you have an edge or not is a separate question, IMO.

You are never in the wrong place... but sometimes you are in the right place looking at things in the wrong way.
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I think technically, gambling is wagering on any outcome that is uncertain. Whether you have an edge or not is a separate question, IMO.

Whether you have an edge or not the trade is always uncertain.

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Whether you have an edge or not the trade is always uncertain.

Of course, as is virtually any outcome in life.

You are never in the wrong place... but sometimes you are in the right place looking at things in the wrong way.
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Of course, as is virtually any outcome in life.

Well then .... if virtually any outcome is uncertain and gambling is betting on any outcome that is uncertain why is trading not gambling?

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Well then .... if virtually any outcome is uncertain and gambling is betting on any outcome that is uncertain why is trading not gambling?

Who says it isn't? Of course it is. You are betting on uncertain, individual outcomes.

You are never in the wrong place... but sometimes you are in the right place looking at things in the wrong way.
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Probably most who read and contribute to this thread didn't read the original post, which is from pretty long ago, but the thread wasn't originally about whether trading is or is not gambling.

It's about whether someone has gotten in a jam from trading that put them in a situation where they're in trouble. Hence the name, "Gambling (with life)".

So it has to do with supporting and helping others, or finding support if you're having problems or if you have had problems that you will share, that may help others.

I'd like to gently steer things back in that direction, rather than the endless debate about whether trading is gambling or not. Here's the original post:


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Guys,

I was watching something on TV that made me think of starting this discussion thread.

I think that in our path as traders, there are some (maybe many if we are being honest) that are more gamblers than traders.

And that's fine. Usually. But, not always.

I think that if it's viewed as a hobby, and money spent on your trading is being spent in a responsible way that doesn't jeopardize yourself or your family, then basically it's all in good fun at the end of the day -- and probably, a lot of people fall into this category.

Then there are those of us who are professionals and treat it like a business. For the purpose of this thread, we aren't taking about this category.

But... Then there are some who are literally gambling with their life. Their savings. Their families. Their kids college funds. They are maybe taking on debt. Maybe they are hiding this from their family. In fact, maybe they are hiding this from themselves.

We are a community. A special community. Almost family! It's a safe place where we can be honest. I'm worried that there are a lot of people here that truly have a problem, and they need help. For their sake, for their families, for their future -- for their lives.

I hope that you will open up and share here in this thread. Lean on the community, talk about your struggle. Maybe come clean and admit there is a problem.

There is also another related thread I encourage you to read called Support of wife and family. Sorry I'm on my phone and can't link it easily.

Best to all you guys.

Mike

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If this thread can be helpful to someone, I hope they will take advantage of it. If someone has something to share that may be supportive to someone, I hope they do that too.

If you really just want to join the never-ending debate whether "it's gambling/it's not gambling," well, that would be OK too, but the original idea has gotten lost somewhat if that's all that anyone posts about.

How about managing the impact of losses so it doesn't seriously affect the rest of your life? Or what problems you have had that were brought on by trading losses and how you got out of them, if you have? Or anything else that would be closer to the topic and would be of some actual value? Just suggesting....

Bob.

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-- Cervantes, Don Quixote
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I,m not fluent, sorry. But after 15 years , still in the hole. My worst enemy is ME.


Revenge,. Blindness, big size to recover, slow recoveries triyng avoid pastimmistakes,. When targets are met trying catch another trade and boom..


Now whith funding comp. Its worst...


COUNTLESS resets, losing PA,s near to take money..


I have good system but sorru im the problem.

Sorry guys its dificult. Thanks Big Mike for this site.

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