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(Not only do I do it too, I'm doing it now. It is very hard/impossible to get out of this paradigm, since we're always in it.)

Just re-reading this quote, and I understand what you're saying, but my contention is that getting out of this paradigm is part of personal growth: when you accept that your view of the world is just but one of many possible views and not everyone may share your opinion you start being at peace with it.

The really tough part, sometimes, is understanding each other, i.e. ensuring that, before disagreeing on something, we actually understand what we are disagreeing about!

This may be harder than it sounds.

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The really tough part, sometimes, is understanding each other, i.e. ensuring that, before disagreeing on something, we actually understand what we are disagreeing about!

Nothing in education is so astonishing as the amount of ignorance it accumulates in the form of inert facts - Henry Brooks Adams

The issue I have with an opinion (as I proceed to give you mine) is that most people just parrot what they think sounds right to the audience. Its not their own truth, but rather how the message will be perceived.
In terms of trading, we are all whores. A person will do anything and everything to find something that works. Then whatever it is that was stumbled upon by sheer coincidence, is packaged and structured into something that looks more complex than it actually is. All in an effort to make it look like they were in control the entire time and their success was deliberate and a foregone conclusion due to X, Y and Z.

Tap in says it from his own truth and not for the audience:

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The problem was that I did not (and do not) have the talent or skill to trade this way, so I found myself failing, often, and never really getting anywhere.

....then he eventually figured something out and:


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That's all I was capable of doing. I didn't like it, and I continue to work to get better, but that was it


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Just re-reading this quote, and I understand what you're saying, but my contention is that getting out of this paradigm is part of personal growth: when you accept that your view of the world is just but one of many possible views and not everyone may share your opinion you start being at peace with it.

Well, yeah.

A certain amount of irony and self-detachment is a good thing when you're trying to see how we humans do things.... because no matter what we do, we are still the same human beings and still operate the same way.

There's some saying or another, I think it's from one of the traditions of India, but I'm not sure, that the eye can't see itself. But if you're going to see how you actually see things, this is kind of what you have to do. Turning yourself around to watch yourself is a hard task. Seeing that you are going to use the same means of "seeing" things is a little paradoxical. How can that be possible? It's sort of a pulling yourself up by your bootstraps thing.

I don't want to get over-involved or pompous here . (Maybe a little.) It's just a matter of being aware of the paradigm. You don't transcend it by rejecting it. You need to understand it from the inside, and then you can be out of it and look around. But your feet are always going to be right in the middle of it. It's what we do.

Which doesn't mean it's not helpful to know. And knowing it, we can relate to others with some more comprehension, and understand ourselves better, too. That's a good deal.

Bob.

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In terms of trading, we are all whores.

I prefer to think that we were whores when we had to work for a paycheck, maybe that's just me

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In terms of trading, we are all whores.


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I prefer to think that we were whores when we had to work for a paycheck..

Now I'm really confused, I was hoping to turn 'Pro'.

One man's terrorist is indeed another man's freedom fighter. We all need to realize that we are on the 'wrong' side just as often as we are on the 'right' side, no matter how hard the automatic forgetting of history makes it. We should spend as much time reading history as we do looking at charts, then put it all to one side and start at the right hand edge of the market and life in 'neutral'.

Sadly, acceptance, understanding and inclusion always get harder in bear markets, I do not have a good prognosis for the next ten years of hugging and sharing.

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Very wise words @ratfink.

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