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I have tried hypnotherapy and it works great! It's called Lexapro.

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Hypnosis works!!!

NOW!
In order to get hypnosis to work, one has to have the right mental attitude. There are normally four mental attitudes counted. Here they are:
(the process of hypnosis is based on suggestions given by the hypnotherapist)


# 1
"I like that suggestion. I know it's going to work for me!"
# 2
"I don't know; it sounds a little uncomfortable to me. It just doesn't fit me."
#3
"I'm neutral about it. I don't care if I get it or don't get it."
# 4
"I like that suggestion. I hope it works!"


ONLY ONE WORKS! Guess which one?!

Now you do the math, and ask yourselves if hypnosis is something dangerous, or if it is something very powerful, that is very much controlled by you and no one else!

Hi @George,

I started a thread called psychological reversed. While reading the threads I came across this post. I do and don't agree with your premise that only the 1st one works. What if the suggestion was that the subject was invisible, or he/she can travel into the future, or that he/she is Tom Cruise or Paris Hilton. Clearly if the subject thought these things it would be far from the truth and it would fail horribly.

...your thoughts

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rtrade,

My thoughts are that, IF you were to like the suggestion and accept it to be true, then it would work. Just watch a show of stage hypnosis and look at all those people doing stupid things when the hypnotists suggests it. Why do they do that?

Simply because they've conditioned themselves to accept the whole idea about being hypnotized. Now, Tom Cruise is one thing. But what if the hypnotist suggests to you that you should clean your account and transfer all your money into his account! Would you like that suggestion to be true?

I'll tell you this one thing, if you accept it to be true and if you like it, then you're gone transfer all your money into his account!

The question remaining here is still: "Would you like and accept that suggestion to be true"?



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Hi @George,

I started a thread called psychological reversed. While reading the threads I came across this post. I do and don't agree with your premise that only the 1st one works. What if the suggestion was that the subject was invisible, or he/she can travel into the future, or that he/she is Tom Cruise or Paris Hilton. Clearly if the subject thought these things it would be far from the truth and it would fail horribly.

...your thoughts


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The question remaining here is still: "Would you like and accept that suggestion to be true"?

Of course not...thus rendering it ineffective...it won't work. But let me change the Tom Cruise to a subject related to trading, Warren Buffet.

So now I'm on stage, you are the hypnotist, I want to improve my trading because I'm psychological reversed, you suggest I am Warren Buffet. Now, I meet the criteria...I like the suggestion, and I know it's going to work for me.

How will I act on stage?

or better yet, suppose the exercise was performed in the office of my trading desk...

How will I perform?

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Again,

If you accept the suggestion as one that you like and you know works for you, it will work. You'll be implementing the suggestion into your system!

Now, my question to you is how would a suggestion like that serve you in improving you trading?



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Of course not...thus rendering it ineffective...it won't work. But let me change the Tom Cruise to a subject related to trading, Warren Buffet.

So now I'm on stage, you are the hypnotist, I want to improve my trading because I'm psychological reversed, you suggest I am Warren Buffet. Now, I meet the criteria...I like the suggestion, and I know it's going to work for me.

How will I act on stage?

or better yet, suppose the exercise was performed in the office of my trading desk...

How will I perform?

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Now, my question to you is how would a suggestion like that serve you in improving you trading?

@George, George, George, I have to admit...you're good, you do know your subject matter. Initially, I was annoyed that you answered my question with a question and normally, I would push for you to answer my "specific" question I asked. But you actually intertwined the answer within your question. I see what you mean....or should I say, "Ahhhh Haaaaaaa!"

There is one thing I would like to ask. On one of your sticky thread, you touched on the particular subconscious that controls our breathing, heart, etc...perhaps you can call it the Super Conscious? But if you ever get to writing a thread on it please let me know...I suspect it directly ties in why a person is successful in one aspect of his/her life but not in another...

Thanks again George

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rtrade,

You're most welcome!

We're getting deep here my friend! It would kind of make us jump a bit off the topic if we're to start talking about destiny and other stuff. But let me put it to you this way.

That part of our inner subconscious mind, has actually nothing to do with what you're looking for. It's just the part of us that goes on automatic so that we don't have to think on a conscious level when we're supposed to breathe and so on.

Now the question remains. Can everyone of us become Warren Buffet? My answer to that is NO. Why? Because Warren B is Warren B and you are you. What makes you YOU is unique and it's based on every programe implemented in your system (subconscious mind). See yourself as a computer. In order to be able to write on your pc you'll be needing a software in order to be able to do that. Unless you don't have the software, you can wish yourself to be able to write but it won't happen.

Now, by being in the markets people do eventually get the proper software in order to be able to perceive the markets. But you see a lot of times that software is becoming infected by all the losses that are aquired by ones system. So now we do have the software but we also have a virus. Would your pc work properly if it's infected?

Hypnosis takes away your viruses. Hypnosis can also install a proper software that would make you act in a desired way. But the whole issue is unfortunately more complex than that. Why?

Because what we perceive consciously is just a small fracture of how we actually are working on the subconscious level. You see the role of your subconscious mind is to protect you. Let me give you an example. You've done three trades losing trades in a row. The program we all have in our subconscious minds that is linked to money is that we all need money in order to survive. So your subconscious mind knows that, and all it wants to do is to protect you in order to keep you safe. In order to do that, it projects fear into your future in order to keep you out of losing trades (you've just lost three times in a row).

The next trade shows up, and what do you do? You get what's called fear of pulling the trigger. Where does that come from? You've figured it out by now!

Is that bad? No. It has a proper function. It wants to keep you safe.

Now turn over to the sim and start trading that one instead. Are you able to pull the trigger now? Of course you are. Why?; because your mind knows that it does not have to use those safety mechanisms in order to keep you safe. You are already safe, because it is not for real.

But then again, my question to you: Is it really not real?




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@George, George, George, I have to admit...you're good, you do know your subject matter. Initially, I was annoyed that you answered my question with a question and normally, I would push for you to answer my "specific" question I asked. But you actually intertwined the answer within your question. I see what you mean....or should I say, "Ahhhh Haaaaaaa!"

There is one thing I would like to ask. On one of your sticky thread, you touched on the particular subconscious that controls our breathing, heart, etc...perhaps you can call it the Super Conscious? But if you ever get to writing a thread on it please let me know...I suspect it directly ties in why a person is successful in one aspect of his/her life but not in another...

Thanks again George


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Because what we perceive consciously is just a small fracture of how we actually are working on the subconscious level. You see the role of your subconscious mind is to protect you. Let me give you an example. You've done three trades losing trades in a row. The program we all have in our subconscious minds that is linked to money is that we all need money in order to survive. So your subconscious mind knows that, and all it wants to do is to protect you in order to keep you safe. In order to do that, it projects fear into your future in order to keep you out of losing trades (you've just lost three times in a row).

The next trade shows up, and what do you do? You get what's called fear of pulling the trigger. Where does that come from? You've figured it out by now!

Is that bad? No. It has a proper function. It wants to keep you safe.

Now turn over to the sim and start trading that one instead. Are you able to pull the trigger now? Of course you are. Why?; because your mind knows that it does not have to use those safety mechanisms in order to keep you safe. You are already safe, because it is not for real.

But then again, my question to you: Is it really not real?


I don't want to seem like I'm hogging this thread, but give me some leeway to expound a bit and I'll bring the subject to hypnosis...self hypnosis via affirmations.

A while back my wife and I went to see a marriage counselor, it was the typical men think like this and women think like that....example I would say,"I think two plus two equals four." and she would say, "I feel two plus two is 7." I would say, "you're wrong." and she would reply, "I don't feel I'm wrong." And on and on it goes...So the therapist, who I paid $300.00/hr for, said to me..."Would you rather be right or happy?" Being a guy I rearranged the saying to...."Would I rather be right or have those natural DD's hanging in my face." I realized it wasn't worth fighting for my EGO.

I bring this up because this forum is filled with egos and when you get burned by PHONEY traders peddling CRAP you have to sometimes challenge what is said (a defensive mechanism, perhaps). So when you gave those 4 options and 1 being the correct one...my EGO immediately tried to find FLAW...and it did. And from your answer we both can agree. But by letting go my ego I realized what you were getting at.

You see option 1: I like the suggestion, I know it's going to work for me; Is like an indicator we use in our charts on certain conditions it will not work, but in the Majority of conditions it will...Thus CHOOSING the CORRECT suggestion that will bring the trading results that I desire.

So on to your question, Is it real or not real? I don't want to fall to deeply into this one so I'll limit it to - the subconscious makes no distinction from what is a dream or what is reality, it will function how it was programed sort of speak. This is only from what I read, I have no real practice on this matter. So I don't want to sound like a successful LIVE TRADER and when I'm just a Sim Trader. Thus by providing affirmation in self hypnosis, I can reprogram the subconscious to make me conscious of my trading plan. Also I will be able to execute my plan in a disciplinary way. How would I do it? Well, I can't affirm, "I am a good trader." My subconscious is going to say, wtf is this?, too general...I want something more specific. So I'll go over a plan tonight and try this self hypnosis tomorrow before the market opens.

Oh, and George...I read what you said on EFT thread...I like you, but that doesn't mean I'm going to agree with you 100% of the time...sorry, but that youtube clip lost if for me...

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