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I do have a list of websites that have scripts specifically designed for traders, if anyone is interested. I actually combined and modified a few scripts to create my own.


I am interested, thanks.

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i agree with george ...
for me it works well, hypnosis is a learning approach to go deeper ...
if you understand somethink about brain, psycholygy, nlp and hypnosis
you understand also the power of words ... and what the can do for you ...

why we have fear?
why you are overtrade the market?

for me 2 simple words imporved my trading ( trigger words) - success and opportunity?

understand the "Trance" state ... and what happend (look also for alpha, delta and theta waves) ...

Causality is the relationship between an event (the cause) and a second event (the effect), where the second event is a consequence of the first.
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Here's the suggestion


Whoops! I was so long-winded with my hypnotherapy experience I forgot to include the suggestion I had for people considering going to a hypnotherapist! (see post #60).

If your hypnotherapist is making a recording during your session for you play at home, I urge you to consider having him or her make general references to your current problems and pausing to give you a chance to think about your issues as you're listening. Mine had me empty a very heavy backpack and I was supposed to visualize myself taking each trouble out and throwing into a lake and watching it sink, while she named each specific problem. But when the problems trading in real life, the recording was obviously still naming my old problems.

So, if I do it over again, I would have her say something like, "As you look through your backpack, examine each item and think about what items you want to keep and what items you want to get rid of." Then a pause to give me a chance to think about what I am currently having trouble with. Kind of like at church, when the pastor prays for a bunch of specific people and then says, "and those we name in our hearts before you," followed by a pause.

Hope this helps.

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Websites

Jagui,

Here are my favorite hypnosis websites. I am not affiliated with any of them.

My favorite one: STOCK TRADER

The reason it is my favorite is because he gives you the exact words he is using. I've bought some general ones in the past about money and success, but sometimes I don't agree with the particular suggestions. So, it's excellent that he is telling you verbatim what's on the tapes. Also, there are a lot of different ones for different types of trading. It's cool that he really gets specific. I combined phrases from the wide variety of trading scripts he has on there to make my own, which I read through sometimes.

Trading Hypnosis

This one I actually own myself: Trading Psychology | Self Hypnosis Downloads

This one is really NLP and is by Patrick Stockhausen. The five part course is great and you don't get a bunch of never-ending e-mails. In fact, I don't recall getting a single one after I took the free course. I do own the Millionaire Mindset Program and listen to it frequently. There are three sessions, one of which you're supposed to listen to before trading and another during the trading session.
Here's the website for that one: The Millionaire's Mind Set : For Traders & Investors

I've really considered buying these: E-Mini DayTrading Course | Trading Psychology CDs

LOVE this one: EOC Institute- EquiSync- Brainwave technology for deep meditation.
I own the Equisync Enlightenment. Listen to it nearly every night as I'm falling asleep. You do need headphones, though. It just sounds like rain, not a thunderstorm. This site is extremely rich with information and I found it extremely interesting. There's no talking or anything on the CDs.

Hope it helps . . .

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If your hypnotherapist is making a recording during your session for you play at home, I urge you to consider having him or her make general references to your current problems and pausing to give you a chance to think about your issues as you're listening. Mine had me empty a very heavy backpack and I was supposed to visualize myself taking each trouble out and throwing into a lake and watching it sink, while she named each specific problem. But when the problems trading in real life, the recording was obviously still naming my old problems.

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The way the person I worked with suggested I do it was to: "to release all negativity into a backpack" sort of thing. So, without even trying to consciously identify any limiting beliefs or hurtful situations, to let them all go.

This way, according to the hypnotherapist, one's subconscious mind could let go of the foundation of issues vs. one particular issue, which might really be just a symptom of a deeper thing showing up in all sorts of ways.

Anyway, I'm still not a millionaire, but I don't overtrade as much. LOL.

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“You are an excellent STOCK TRADER. You focus your mind on studying and mastering all aspects. Your strategy is perfect. You have a natural and intrinsic talent and skill......." from the stock trader page (STOCK TRADER)!

Okay, I suppose you're buying the tape and you manage to get yourself into the deep trance, and you start to listen to these tapes! Would you become a great trader?!

Let me tell you this!

Have you ever heard of "Your Biggest Enemy is YOU"! I'm sure you have!, But have you ever thought of what it really means?

It means that you have to get pass yourself by yourself through yourself!. It's like smoking. Why in the whole world does one smoke cigarettes (or whatever they smoke), even though he/she, consciously knows that it is not good for them!

Because it has a function. And that function is fulfilled by the mind. And if your mind, thinks that what it does, it does it for your own good. Believe me, it will do everything in it's power to keep on supporting that!.

It's like a gatekeeper. It doesn't matter how much you tell it that this thing is not good for you. All it's telling you is "Ye shell not pass"!

And that's exactly what happens when you consciously try to pass the gatekeeper. It is not allowing you to pass. And in order to get the change you have to get through the gatekeeper that will not let you pass because it thinks in terms of protection!

That's why YOU are you biggest enemy! It simply means that even if you consciously have realized that you need the change. That beast inside of you (and trust me, it does not think of it self that way), will put on it's armor in order to protect you against everything that can threaten it's role of keeping you safe!

Now, is it possible to get pass that? YES, big YES!
How?

You have to send it away (and it is possible to do that, even though it is temporary)!

How do you do that?
You'll need a very good hypnotist! One that's both able to measure and feel that you, while you're lying there really has gone beyond and has managed to send away the gatekeeper!

Can you do that by yourself?

Well, in theory yes! But it a lot more difficult because, it's a bit difficult to fool yourself!

That's why I believe that tapes don't help, and are either a tool in the hypnotist box, that tells us a lot about the hypnotist! Meaning that he/she is using this more in a commercial manner, or that they don't really are that good, and has not really understood this whole concept at all!

So really guys! Remember this one thing! Hypnosis is really, really powerful.
But in order to make it work for you you have to have two things with you.

1. You have to be ready to let go of things, and let yourself flow into the unknown (after all you'll be getting reprogrammed, and your perspective will be unknown from your current perspective seen)!
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2. You'll have to get yourself a really good hypnotist!
I've posted some links, and I've already done some writing about that. And I'm not telling you to listen to what I am saying, but please for your own sake, if you've gone that far that you're passed point 1 here, do some background research, look them up, study a bit the schools that are out there, and get yourself a hypnotist that knows what the $@£€ he/she is doing!








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“You are an excellent STOCK TRADER. You focus your mind on studying and mastering all aspects. Your strategy is perfect. You have a natural and intrinsic talent and skill......." from the stock trader page (STOCK TRADER)!


I agree with what you're saying George. When you hear stuff like the above quote, your gatekeeper knows you're just a big liar. (That's why I didn't buy it). But, there are some valuable phrases here and there in this script and a couple others on the site. That way you can pick and choose which sentences work for your circumstances and your brain will actually listen to.


"You'll need a very good hypnotist! " THAT is a tough task all by itself! For me, it was tough to find a hypnotist at all, and apparently the one I found wasn't a good one, since she counted on my listening to a CD of our session every night. Still, I keep dreaming of strategies to get the demons out of my head.

Thanks for those links, by the way, George.

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Hello George,

Great post. For me hypnosis would never work, as I would not be able and willing to let go things and let myself floating into the unknown.

Your gatekeeper is the bad habit. What we need to do, is unlearning our habits. If hypnosis is one vehicle that can be used for unlearning, there are other vehicles.

Let me discuss one example.


Impatience

I am used to work. I do not want to sit in front of my screens doing nothing, I am also eager to trade. So I will enter a trade within the first 10 minutes after I switched on my equipment.

Ooops! More often than not it will become a loser.

I should have waited to allow myself to inhale the mood of the market and to get into the zone. Also go through my daily check list first. An airplane pilot will not take off, before he has done his homework and got the clearing of the tower. Fine, I don't have a tower, nobody prevents me from killing myself.

So what to do about this? How can I unlearn to trade during the first 15 minutes?

First I need to be aware of the problem. For example I can write a post on Big Mike's Forum convincing myself that I should not trade during the first 15 minutes.

Then I need a mechanism for unlearning. For example I can take my little Buddha and put it in front of my screens. I am not a buddhist, but this Buddha is a laughing Buddha, so if I put it in front of my screens, it will laugh at me. Put that on my daily check list: Little Buddha sits in front of the screens during the first 15 minutes and tells me that I should not trade. This should work to trigger the unlearning of the bad habit. I willl save the money for the hypnotherapist and buy a bottle of good wine instead.

Once I have successfully learned to be patient, little Buddha goes back to his little corner, and I will look for the next bad habit.

So far the theory. Did you really stop smoking? Have you done as much exercise as you need? Did you stop eating cookies? How many bad habits did you unlearn during the last month?

Maybe I should try a hypnotherapist instead. But then I do not like fairy tales and I do not believe in Father X-mas. How the hell should hypnotherapy work? Little Buddha will even laugh more at me.

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Maybe I should try a hypnotherapist instead. But then I do not like fairy tales and I do not believe in Father X-mas. How the hell should hypnotherapy work? Little Buddha will even laugh more at me.

I do not believe in a lot of things, and do not believe in those too, but hypnotherapy works.
Well, it depends what we mean by "it works", an how deep is the problem involved, but some people really stop smoking, are able to remember very old/forgotten souvenirs, don't feel pain during surgery, etc, it's a fact.

You should try it, just to be sure it's not working

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I do not believe in a lot of things, and do not believe in those too, but hypnotherapy works.
Well, it depends what we mean by "it works", an how deep is the problem involved, but some people really stop smoking, are able to remember very old/forgotten souvenirs, don't feel pain during surgery, etc, it's a fact.

You should try it, just to be sure it's not working

I also believe that it works. I am not sure that it works for everybody, though.

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