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Recommendation on personal biofeedback devices?

Anyone have any experience with personal biofeedback devices? I am looking for one which will work with your PC, and would appreciate any suggestions.

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Gary,

Thanks for bringing this up. I have been thinking of this sort of feedback as well. The one I was looking at was this one I saw on Engadget:

Philips-CrazyRationalizer-Bracelet-Bowl

I haven't been using any yet, please keep us posted here how it influence you.

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I am really interested in this subject, too.

Dr. Brett uses this, and that is what got me interested to begin with. But really, I know how when I am in a bad trade my body does things that I am slow to pick up on but notice later -- like being hunched over in the chair, elevated heart rate, real tense, etc.

I think a device that you can hook up and establish a baseline for 'calm' and then a baseline for 'good trade' and 'bad trade' would be incredibly useful! I am sure the device can pick up on these signals your body makes so much quicker than you can, in the heat of the moment.

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The only real biofeedback machine with a computer interface I could find on Amazon is this one:

Amazon.com: Basic GSR2 Biofeedback Relaxation System THE NEW ONE…

And it looks pretty cheesy. It seems the "software" only listens for the strength (volume) of the audio tone, because the input to the computer is the Mic-in jack, not USB. Hmm.

I think you mentioned you were going to email Dr. Brett and see if he has a recommendation? From his books, I don't think he ever named the one he uses (or I missed it), but I am quite certain it has computer feedback like graphs and charts.

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The only real biofeedback machine with a computer interface I could find on Amazon is this one:

Amazon.com: Basic GSR2 Biofeedback Relaxation System THE NEW ONE…

And it looks pretty cheesy. It seems the "software" only listens for the strength (volume) of the audio tone, because the input to the computer is the Mic-in jack, not USB. Hmm.

I think you mentioned you were going to email Dr. Brett and see if he has a recommendation? From his books, I don't think he ever named the one he uses (or I missed it), but I am quite certain it has computer feedback like graphs and charts.

Mike

Dr. Steenbarger mentioned that he has one custom built.

A few related links:
TraderFeed: Biofeedback for Performance: A Best Practice in Trading
TraderFeed: Heart Rate Variability (HRV): Enhancing the Trader's Self-Control
Welcome to the Biofeedback Institute of Los Angeles - Since 1970. Providing designs for your success. Hemoencephalography, Brain Exercise, Psychophysiology, Biofeedback, Brain Exercise Works, HEG Neurofeedback Therapy, Hershel Toomim


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Gary,

Thanks for bringing this up. I have been thinking of this sort of feedback as well. The one I was looking at was this one I saw on Engadget:

Philips-CrazyRationalizer-Bracelet-Bowl

I haven't been using any yet, please keep us posted here how it influence you.

Wessel

Wessel,

Thanks for this!

I just watched the video, really cool. I wish it was more "precise", like a chart or graph. But I think this abstract method probably works just as well.

Here is the video for everyone else:




Here is the press release:
Philips Design and ABN AMRO’s Dialogues Incubator cooperate to create the ‘Rationalizer’ concept

I wasn't able to see that this has made it to production yet. Have you heard anything about this being available yet?

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Rationalizer - Not for Years to Come?

The following link may shine a little more light on the "Rationalizer" coming to the market. May want to scroll down to the end of the short write-up.

Emotional investor? Try using the rationalizer - Personal finance- msnbc.com

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@Mike,

I've dropped them an email and see if any reply comes back. If not I'll drop them a call over 2 weeks or so see what the current status on this product is.

--> Got my reply already, the email is no longer working.. I'll see if i can drop them a call

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Hey BigMike,

this answer is "a little" late but the one that was recommended by Dr.Menaker is EmWave Desktop. It runs fully on your computer. I havent bought it but im considering it. Here is a link emWave Desktop Bio-feedback device from HeartMath | Beyond The Barriers
There are different bio feedback devices measuring all kinds of different things. The emWave i think measures heart rate variability. I can see the benefit of this since at the very least it shows you when you are in a relaxed state of mind. However Dr.Steenbarger mentioned in a Seminar that there is also a device that is able to measure the temperature of your skin on your head and depening on in which mental state you are it can supposedly show you when you are "in the zone" based on which part of your brain you are currently using.
The only device similar to this is what i found here: Muse: The Brain-Sensing Headband | Indiegogo

Hope that helps!

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