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In addition to what @Big Mike has written:

For me it is really about the expectation you set to yourself. If you expect to catch every good trade you get of course bad feelings (anger, sadness, frustration) if you miss one. Although i find such an expectation is extremely high and is more a burden than a help. In the beginning i was thinking and feeling exactly the same way.

But over time i came to the conclusion that a next good setup is coming for sure and so i was able to let go the expectation "catch every good trade".

So, do i trade better - maybe; do i feel better - sure !

Hope this thought is somehow helpful

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If you expect to catch every good trade you get of course bad feelings (anger, sadness, frustration) if you miss one. Although i find such an expectation is extremely high and is more a burden than a help.

We all set our own expectations, though, and expectation-setting is part of trading education, really?

I don't expect to catch every good trade. I expect only to catch every good trade available to me, and I define "available" to mean (a) during the hours I've determined that I'm working on any given day, and (b) having entry-parameters that accord with my recognisable entry-methods at the time. So I don't feel bad about missing early morning trades and trades that looked good only with hindsight.

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My timing seems to really suck. I know my setups, but when I'm waiting for them, nothing seems to happen, or I'm looking at 1 chart for too long. When I decide to do something else, work on my full time job, I miss the setup(s) and it happens too many times. I'm sure this happens to a lot of people, how do you guys get around this?

Sounds like you are intraday trading. If that is the case, one must make themselves available consistently. Intraday trading should be approached as a full time job that is extraordinarily intensive. Unfortunately for some, not having a " boss" to answer to does not fit thier psychological profile well. As an example; If you worked on a trading desk at Goldman, you would not have this question. I personally miss lunch all together ( today as an example) quite often and have nearly shit my pants when my setup was "close to happening" but took forever- now I use an iPad for those special situations Trading is not as glorious as many imagine it to be as the monotony can be unbearable at times when approached properly. If you cannot be available to trade your timeframe, try moving to a longer one. If you trade from a work computer, consider adding a separate monitor.

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lol I feel like trader psychology is thrown around to much as if that answers the question. It's like someone saying I am afraid of roller coaster how do you guys deal with it? "Big mike" educate yourself on roller coaster phychology -_- perhaps your personal stories may help or personal advice


You just aren't reading the right type of psychology. The original post is hindsight bias almost exactly:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hindsight_bias

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I disagree... I know what to look for when I'm trading. I want to hear other people's frustration if they've dealt with the same thing. Similar to "My stop got hit, and...."

I do not know what time frame you are trading or if this will work for you but here is how I solved the problem:

You say you know what to look for so I assume there are certain conditions that must be met in order for you to enter a trade.

Once some of those conditions are met, enter an order using a stop limit order that will trigger once all conditions are met. You can also attach a bracket order to look after your exits if you like.

If all conditions are not met there will be no order. If all conditions are met you will have a trade. You can review your order from time to time to assure that all conditions will be met and adjust it according to your plan.

It is hard to find the Truth when you start your search with a preconceived notion of what the Truth will be.
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I do not know what time frame you are trading or if this will work for you but here is how I solved the problem:

You say you know what to look for so I assume there are certain conditions that must be met in order for you to enter a trade.

Once some of those conditions are met, enter an order using a stop limit order that will trigger once all conditions are met. You can also attach a bracket order to look after your exits if you like.

If all conditions are not met there will be no order. If all conditions are met you will have a trade. You can review your order from time to time to assure that all conditions will be met and adjust it according to your plan.

Appreciate the input. I wish I could tell by the first hour or two how the day will end. Will the day chop or will it fall or go up. Knowing this will keep me n front of the screen.

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Appreciate the input. I wish I could tell by the first hour or two how the day will end. Will the day chop or will it fall or go up. Knowing this will keep me n front of the screen.

Hell if I knew how the day would end I'd just place my order so that I could close my trade at the end of the day and head for the golf course.

It is hard to find the Truth when you start your search with a preconceived notion of what the Truth will be.
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Some tactical tools you could consider:

1) If you're simply waiting for the setup to trigger, you could set a price alert with your broker (a few have the ability to send you a SMS when it triggers), so when you get the price alert, you can turn on your data feed, see if you like the trade and then put in your order. For example, let's say you wanted to short the EURUSD, but you were only interested if there was a possible double top at 1.0830, then set your alert to notify when when price hits maybe 1.0825, and when you get the alert, then you "get to work" so to say.

2. Maybe consider using options to express your trade idea. With options, with the nature of how the pricing with delta works, your price needs to be less precise because the price isn't changing nearly as fast for the at the money or near the money options. That way you are still in the trade, but you don't have to obsess about missing the perfect price as much as 1-3 ticks which may invalidate the trade if you were trading the underlying.

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I found an indicator that runs very closely to when my setups will arise and programmed a ring for a buy or a ding for a short. Once I hear one of them I know to check my charts because I know a set up is approaching very fast. I still miss one here and there but its much better than before especially when each trade maters.

Sorry to wake up a semi old thread but I felt like the tid bit of info was important enough.

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